Comments on: This just in: CanAda doesn’t care about Sikh people http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Chotu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-280318 Chotu Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:13:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-280318 <p>Overall, is there a lot of "machismo" in Punjabi and/or Sikh culture in general?</p> Overall, is there a lot of “machismo” in Punjabi and/or Sikh culture in general?

]]> By: SRM http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-280309 SRM Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:04:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-280309 <p>@Clueless, You started Punjabi/Sikh bashing here, you are truly clueless...please get some help as you have some serious issues, many coconuts growing up in BC in the past had the same issues- immigrants make me look bad, gora hates me because of those bastards(not the entrenched racism in the media establishment that reflects the genreal white attitudes). I have 3rd generation Indo-Candian sikhs in my extended family in BC and each genertion has horror stories of the media otherization back in the day as well, while being beaten up in the streets in Vancouver at night for being brown. Skinheads "welcoming" brown men on first day of high school with baseball bats and hockey sticks. Eggs being thrown on sikh girls and boys by white students in full view of teachers with their malicious smiles. Yes i'm talking about the same "ghettos" from which white working classes moved out as soon as a few Hindoos(the slur that substitutes for paki in BC with victorian/colonial origins) moved in. Then it was skinheads and white knuclehead gangstas on the streets vs Punjabi pushback and there you had the origins of indo-gangs in Vancouver...and mind you there were plenty of Naidus and kumars mostly fijians adequately represented. The rest is all a media creation. As was the hoopla about viet/chinese gangs of the 80's.</p> <p>By the way an update for you guys....BC indian gangs are no more.....begining in 2006 there was a massive outburst of lily WHITE hick gangstas all over BC. With over twice the number of murders as during the entire durtion of Indian gang activity since 1992....the most famous being the Surrey six murders....still the ocassional petty leftover gangsta indian gets more press than the higly lethal white gangstas so active now. THE MEDIA is THE PROBLEM in Canada when it comes to minorities. The national media is even worse...they just can't let turbans and kirpans go, it has to be the biggest story everytime unlike Britain and the states where those issues were dealt with relatively quietly. For those who are inerested in further research, read Scanlon, Joseph. "The Sikhs of Vancouver." In Ethnicity and the Media. Paris: Unesco Press, 1977 it covers the period from the 40's to mid 70's. Much of what 24/7 said is generally true of Canadians even the left leaning ones....trade unions were once the staunchest opponents of coloured immigration to Canada.</p> @Clueless, You started Punjabi/Sikh bashing here, you are truly clueless…please get some help as you have some serious issues, many coconuts growing up in BC in the past had the same issues- immigrants make me look bad, gora hates me because of those bastards(not the entrenched racism in the media establishment that reflects the genreal white attitudes). I have 3rd generation Indo-Candian sikhs in my extended family in BC and each genertion has horror stories of the media otherization back in the day as well, while being beaten up in the streets in Vancouver at night for being brown. Skinheads “welcoming” brown men on first day of high school with baseball bats and hockey sticks. Eggs being thrown on sikh girls and boys by white students in full view of teachers with their malicious smiles. Yes i’m talking about the same “ghettos” from which white working classes moved out as soon as a few Hindoos(the slur that substitutes for paki in BC with victorian/colonial origins) moved in. Then it was skinheads and white knuclehead gangstas on the streets vs Punjabi pushback and there you had the origins of indo-gangs in Vancouver…and mind you there were plenty of Naidus and kumars mostly fijians adequately represented. The rest is all a media creation. As was the hoopla about viet/chinese gangs of the 80′s.

By the way an update for you guys….BC indian gangs are no more…..begining in 2006 there was a massive outburst of lily WHITE hick gangstas all over BC. With over twice the number of murders as during the entire durtion of Indian gang activity since 1992….the most famous being the Surrey six murders….still the ocassional petty leftover gangsta indian gets more press than the higly lethal white gangstas so active now. THE MEDIA is THE PROBLEM in Canada when it comes to minorities. The national media is even worse…they just can’t let turbans and kirpans go, it has to be the biggest story everytime unlike Britain and the states where those issues were dealt with relatively quietly. For those who are inerested in further research, read Scanlon, Joseph. “The Sikhs of Vancouver.” In Ethnicity and the Media. Paris: Unesco Press, 1977 it covers the period from the 40′s to mid 70′s. Much of what 24/7 said is generally true of Canadians even the left leaning ones….trade unions were once the staunchest opponents of coloured immigration to Canada.

]]> By: Clueless http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166813 Clueless Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:33:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166813 <p>On this issue and in others about problems in the punjabi community I have been attacked for speaking out about the issues. I guess it easier to attack me then deal with the issues. Most times I have chosen not to attack back, but now I'm going.May I had I have spoken out more the issues of sexism among punjabi then any other punjabi male on this blog. A few other punjabi males have even said they enjoy the double standards and they have not been attacked.</p> <p>If you don't know I have a young daughter who I don't want to deal with the crap many young punjabi women.</p> On this issue and in others about problems in the punjabi community I have been attacked for speaking out about the issues. I guess it easier to attack me then deal with the issues. Most times I have chosen not to attack back, but now I’m going.May I had I have spoken out more the issues of sexism among punjabi then any other punjabi male on this blog. A few other punjabi males have even said they enjoy the double standards and they have not been attacked.

If you don’t know I have a young daughter who I don’t want to deal with the crap many young punjabi women.

]]> By: angie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166729 angie Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:21:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166729 <p>Wow. I'm a bit taken aback by some of the harsh comments. It seems that quite a few commenters want to divorce themselves from sikhs/punjabis in Canada. I assure you that any cultural problems that may occur in B.C. are also active anywhere else, whether it be the U.S. or the U.K.. and probably very well can be expanded to other South Asian groups as well; it may just be underreported. I would encourage you to help open up the dialogue about certain cultural issues,which is probably the underlying factors behind some of the media reports you may have been hearing. Those apply to you, too. Why not help your brothers and sisters rather than hiding behind a veil of model minority? (Thanks, Camille, for keeping it real).</p> <p>Oh, and one more point: For all the complaining about how rotten Canadian Desi's are; many are very active in politics (particularly the Sikh community) - one thing I don't really see going on anywhere else. I wish that Desi's would involve themselves in the community and politics more. We have many doctors, and scientists (yes, even in this so-called hellhole, Canada) - It's time to expand the value list! Wasn't it Anna's dad that said, Indians value all the wrong things??? Well, I guess he's right. If poltics were more coveted, maybe some of you wouldn't be so quick to divorce yourselves from the accomplishments of B.C. Sikhs.</p> <p>And on a final positive note, there is an excellent program airing in Canada, that talks about cultural issues. It's hosted by a longstanding member of the Sikh community in Canada, Tej Bains - she really has great advice for first gen folks. The show is called Sikh Virsa. It's refreshing to see a program that isn't all bollywood songs and horoscopes - heheh. I'm not Sikh or first gen, but I do enjoy watching it just the same. She's really open-minded and very active in the community, including furthering awareness of domestic violence, treatment of women, health issues, and yes, even getting your parents to look beyond medical school as career options. I wish my non-Sikh, non-punjabi aunts and uncles were this cool.</p> <p>Peace.</p> Wow. I’m a bit taken aback by some of the harsh comments. It seems that quite a few commenters want to divorce themselves from sikhs/punjabis in Canada. I assure you that any cultural problems that may occur in B.C. are also active anywhere else, whether it be the U.S. or the U.K.. and probably very well can be expanded to other South Asian groups as well; it may just be underreported. I would encourage you to help open up the dialogue about certain cultural issues,which is probably the underlying factors behind some of the media reports you may have been hearing. Those apply to you, too. Why not help your brothers and sisters rather than hiding behind a veil of model minority? (Thanks, Camille, for keeping it real).

Oh, and one more point: For all the complaining about how rotten Canadian Desi’s are; many are very active in politics (particularly the Sikh community) – one thing I don’t really see going on anywhere else. I wish that Desi’s would involve themselves in the community and politics more. We have many doctors, and scientists (yes, even in this so-called hellhole, Canada) – It’s time to expand the value list! Wasn’t it Anna’s dad that said, Indians value all the wrong things??? Well, I guess he’s right. If poltics were more coveted, maybe some of you wouldn’t be so quick to divorce yourselves from the accomplishments of B.C. Sikhs.

And on a final positive note, there is an excellent program airing in Canada, that talks about cultural issues. It’s hosted by a longstanding member of the Sikh community in Canada, Tej Bains – she really has great advice for first gen folks. The show is called Sikh Virsa. It’s refreshing to see a program that isn’t all bollywood songs and horoscopes – heheh. I’m not Sikh or first gen, but I do enjoy watching it just the same. She’s really open-minded and very active in the community, including furthering awareness of domestic violence, treatment of women, health issues, and yes, even getting your parents to look beyond medical school as career options. I wish my non-Sikh, non-punjabi aunts and uncles were this cool.

Peace.

]]> By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166226 A N N A Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:38:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166226 <blockquote>Shame on you Anna. You are not doing that sicko any favors by protecting him from criticism.</blockquote> <p>I unnecessarily beg your pardon? I'm saddened by people who continue to delude themselves regarding "evil"; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/suitablegirl/1382525529/">THIS is evil</a>, someone you've never met who comments a lot on this website? Not evil. No matter how many of you persist with this fiction, he's not a racist, so please find another reason to loathe him.</p> <p><b>I'm not protecting anyone, I'm standing up for what's right.</b> You know what's heinous? <a href="http://www.hrc.org/">Using whom someone loves as grounds for attacking them</a>. Are those of you who seize on his interracial relationship as proof of...whatever you are imagining...going to attack everyone with a blonde gf or just him? That really bothered me. I can't imagine what would happen if someone dated someone Black and then got in to a debate with some of you.</p> <p>Further commentary regarding Razib on this thread? Deleted. I can't believe how many of you bought in to a meme started by a notorious troll.</p> Shame on you Anna. You are not doing that sicko any favors by protecting him from criticism.

I unnecessarily beg your pardon? I’m saddened by people who continue to delude themselves regarding “evil”; THIS is evil, someone you’ve never met who comments a lot on this website? Not evil. No matter how many of you persist with this fiction, he’s not a racist, so please find another reason to loathe him.

I’m not protecting anyone, I’m standing up for what’s right. You know what’s heinous? Using whom someone loves as grounds for attacking them. Are those of you who seize on his interracial relationship as proof of…whatever you are imagining…going to attack everyone with a blonde gf or just him? That really bothered me. I can’t imagine what would happen if someone dated someone Black and then got in to a debate with some of you.

Further commentary regarding Razib on this thread? Deleted. I can’t believe how many of you bought in to a meme started by a notorious troll.

]]> By: Fight_evil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166222 Fight_evil Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:38:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166222 <blockquote>Razib does not advocate aborting dark babies: to accuse someone of such a thing is heinous -</blockquote> <p>Its heinous that you are defending someone who is notorious for his racism and who wrote the following:</p> <blockquote>we're there. we have the technology so that parents who have potential for a lot of variation in their offspring can abort the kala ones.</blockquote> <p>Shame on you Anna. You are not doing that sicko any favors by protecting him from criticism.</p> Razib does not advocate aborting dark babies: to accuse someone of such a thing is heinous -

Its heinous that you are defending someone who is notorious for his racism and who wrote the following:

we’re there. we have the technology so that parents who have potential for a lot of variation in their offspring can abort the kala ones.

Shame on you Anna. You are not doing that sicko any favors by protecting him from criticism.

]]> By: DQ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166111 DQ Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:15:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166111 <p>Btw, any other canucks find it rather disturbing that more than one out of five of their fellow canucks 'disapprove' of Jews?</p> Btw, any other canucks find it rather disturbing that more than one out of five of their fellow canucks ‘disapprove’ of Jews?

]]> By: DQ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166110 DQ Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:11:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166110 <p>Btw, Montreal has regular Bollywood and Sholay parties now...</p> Btw, Montreal has regular Bollywood and Sholay parties now…

]]> By: Branch Dravidian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166064 Branch Dravidian Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:26:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166064 <blockquote>I have to say, there was something really refreshing about hanging out with desis in Southall, where there is much less personal and material ambition, and more of a social and relaxed attitude...the simple things in life, like having a drink (or two or three or more) with friends at the local pub, interacting with extended family (who all live nearby), getting drunk, dancing bhangra (or better yet watching it performed live)...going to kabbadi matches, melas, weddings, having langar at the local gurdwara...no one thinks their life is going to be any better in 20 years...but 'chal riha hai'...so enjoy. Not much pressure put on kids, which can be both good and bad. I'm not saying it's perfect or doesn't have its flaws (or that I would trade my life for that) but it was good to see an alternative or different way of life too. Just gives you a little perspective.</blockquote> <p>Sounds like New Orleans...</p> I have to say, there was something really refreshing about hanging out with desis in Southall, where there is much less personal and material ambition, and more of a social and relaxed attitude…the simple things in life, like having a drink (or two or three or more) with friends at the local pub, interacting with extended family (who all live nearby), getting drunk, dancing bhangra (or better yet watching it performed live)…going to kabbadi matches, melas, weddings, having langar at the local gurdwara…no one thinks their life is going to be any better in 20 years…but ‘chal riha hai’…so enjoy. Not much pressure put on kids, which can be both good and bad. I’m not saying it’s perfect or doesn’t have its flaws (or that I would trade my life for that) but it was good to see an alternative or different way of life too. Just gives you a little perspective.

Sounds like New Orleans…

]]> By: Preetam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/12/this_just_in_ka_1/comment-page-6/#comment-166013 Preetam Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:27:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4721#comment-166013 <p>Well, this comment is for Clueless. It is never right to generalize the whole group based on one experience. Anyway, read this thought provoking article on gender bias and religion in Punjab. I grew up Punjab and even my parents were not very happy when I was born. Yes, it much easier to label them as backward than involve in dialog and understand how and why they conceived these notions of gender bias.</p> Well, this comment is for Clueless. It is never right to generalize the whole group based on one experience. Anyway, read this thought provoking article on gender bias and religion in Punjab. I grew up Punjab and even my parents were not very happy when I was born. Yes, it much easier to label them as backward than involve in dialog and understand how and why they conceived these notions of gender bias.

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