Comments on: September 11: Everlasting be their memory. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165761 HMF Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:02:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165761 <p>A line from the Project for the New American Century, a neocon <a href = "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century">document</a> written <i>before</i> 9/11:</p> <p><i>Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor</i></p> <p>Signatories included:</p> <p>Cheney Wolfowitz Rumsfeld Jeb Bush Scooter Libby Zalmay Khalilzad (Bush envoy to Afghanistan, advisor to unocal)</p> A line from the Project for the New American Century, a neocon document written before 9/11:

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor

Signatories included:

Cheney Wolfowitz Rumsfeld Jeb Bush Scooter Libby Zalmay Khalilzad (Bush envoy to Afghanistan, advisor to unocal)

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By: zazou http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165748 zazou Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:13:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165748 <p>Absolutely. 9/11 was a gift on a solid gold platter to BuchCo.</p> Absolutely. 9/11 was a gift on a solid gold platter to BuchCo.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165725 A N N A Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:05:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165725 <blockquote>And for what? For the memory of 9-11</blockquote> <p>I don't think it's fair to link this with the "memory" of 9/11, if we are using "memory" the way I did in the title. I doubt that 3,000 Americans would have wanted us to alienate the world, chip away at our rights here at home and fight this war <i>in their names</i>. Every injustice you listed is worsened by the inexcusable fact that certain people fling "twin towers" and "9/11" about as justification for them. If I were a family member of one of the lost, I'd be livid that my family's tragedy was being exploited...for this.</p> <p>Iraq has nothing to do with the twin towers. The debt we are paying is the interest on Bush Sr.'s grudge, if anything.</p> And for what? For the memory of 9-11

I don’t think it’s fair to link this with the “memory” of 9/11, if we are using “memory” the way I did in the title. I doubt that 3,000 Americans would have wanted us to alienate the world, chip away at our rights here at home and fight this war in their names. Every injustice you listed is worsened by the inexcusable fact that certain people fling “twin towers” and “9/11″ about as justification for them. If I were a family member of one of the lost, I’d be livid that my family’s tragedy was being exploited…for this.

Iraq has nothing to do with the twin towers. The debt we are paying is the interest on Bush Sr.’s grudge, if anything.

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By: AR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165572 AR Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:04:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165572 <p>My roommate woke me up Tuesday morning with three words: "We're being attacked." He had the TV on and the image of the first explosion was being played over and over. The second plane struck, and the newscasters sounded panicked. The first thought I had was that brown people (Middle-Eastern exchange students, my family, anyone vaguely non-white) were in trouble. They would come after us. I pushed this thought to the back of my mind and went to class, tried to continue life as normal in a small, college town in rural Missouri. When I came home, someone had written "Fuck Palestine" on their door. In the months that followed, my brother was attacked twice, my car was pelted with rocks, and an unfortunately named cafe (Osama's--no relation) 'mysteriously' burned down. Day after day the news carries reports of South Asians being attacked by both police and civilians, being viewed with suspicion, being denied entry into our country.</p> <p>It is an echo of another infamous event 60+ years ago. While both attacks on American soil were tragic and resulted in casualties in the thousands (2,350 for Pearl Harbor, 3,000 for Sept. 11), it's also important to remember the equally tragic aftermath. In the first case, the U.S. knee-jerk response resulted in the slaughter of 70,000 civilians, and countless more deaths from cancer and radiation-related illnesses. Japanese-American families who were rounded up for internment, and denied their most fundamental constitutional rights.<br /> Now in Iraq (not to mention the all-but-forgotten war in Afghanistan) the same slaughter is happening on a similarly disproportionate scale (conservative estimates put the Iraqi death toll at 71,800). Human beings from around the world have been illegally and indefinitely detained in Guantanamo, and nothing has been done. It makes me wonder how many Iraqi (or Afghani, or Indian, or Pakistani, etc.) lives will have to end before we can cancel this ridiculous debt? And for what? For the memory of 9-11.</p> <p>I know this is a day late, but I had to post something.</p> My roommate woke me up Tuesday morning with three words: “We’re being attacked.” He had the TV on and the image of the first explosion was being played over and over. The second plane struck, and the newscasters sounded panicked. The first thought I had was that brown people (Middle-Eastern exchange students, my family, anyone vaguely non-white) were in trouble. They would come after us. I pushed this thought to the back of my mind and went to class, tried to continue life as normal in a small, college town in rural Missouri. When I came home, someone had written “Fuck Palestine” on their door. In the months that followed, my brother was attacked twice, my car was pelted with rocks, and an unfortunately named cafe (Osama’s–no relation) ‘mysteriously’ burned down. Day after day the news carries reports of South Asians being attacked by both police and civilians, being viewed with suspicion, being denied entry into our country.

It is an echo of another infamous event 60+ years ago. While both attacks on American soil were tragic and resulted in casualties in the thousands (2,350 for Pearl Harbor, 3,000 for Sept. 11), it’s also important to remember the equally tragic aftermath. In the first case, the U.S. knee-jerk response resulted in the slaughter of 70,000 civilians, and countless more deaths from cancer and radiation-related illnesses. Japanese-American families who were rounded up for internment, and denied their most fundamental constitutional rights.
Now in Iraq (not to mention the all-but-forgotten war in Afghanistan) the same slaughter is happening on a similarly disproportionate scale (conservative estimates put the Iraqi death toll at 71,800). Human beings from around the world have been illegally and indefinitely detained in Guantanamo, and nothing has been done. It makes me wonder how many Iraqi (or Afghani, or Indian, or Pakistani, etc.) lives will have to end before we can cancel this ridiculous debt? And for what? For the memory of 9-11.

I know this is a day late, but I had to post something.

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By: zazou http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165533 zazou Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:58:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165533 <p>Sorry, Anna- one more comment on the Palestinians- a) teh footage was considered suspect by many news people that I know from the getgo, b) contrary to popular opinion based in part on the official Israeli history over te last 50+ years, Palestinians did not just give up their land. While some legally sold it, there was resistance in many villages to armed appropriateion. The Hagannah were intimately involved in massacres such as Deir Rassin and Tantura and 1,000's were forcibly expelled. For more on this, consult the New Historians Ilan Pape, Teddy Katz and others whose work is based on previously classified documents and interviews with eyewitnesses.</p> <p>On a slightly different note: a poem by Ferlenghetti read on Amy Goodman's show:</p> <pre><code> PITY THE NATION Pity the nation whose people are sheep, and whose shepherds mislead them. Pity the nation whose leaders are liars, </code></pre> <p>whose sages are silenced, and whose bigots haunt the airwaves.</p> <pre><code> Pity the nation that raises not its </code></pre> <p>voice, except to praise conquerors and acclaim the bully as hero and aims to rule the world with force and by torture.</p> <pre><code> Pity the nation that knows no other </code></pre> <p>language but its own and no other culture but its own.</p> <pre><code> Pity the nation whose breath is money and sleeps the sleep of the too well fed. Pity the nation--oh, pity the people who </code></pre> <p>allow their rights to erode and their freedoms to be washed away.</p> <pre><code> My country, tears of thee, sweet land of </code></pre> <p>liberty.</p> Sorry, Anna- one more comment on the Palestinians- a) teh footage was considered suspect by many news people that I know from the getgo, b) contrary to popular opinion based in part on the official Israeli history over te last 50+ years, Palestinians did not just give up their land. While some legally sold it, there was resistance in many villages to armed appropriateion. The Hagannah were intimately involved in massacres such as Deir Rassin and Tantura and 1,000′s were forcibly expelled. For more on this, consult the New Historians Ilan Pape, Teddy Katz and others whose work is based on previously classified documents and interviews with eyewitnesses.

On a slightly different note: a poem by Ferlenghetti read on Amy Goodman’s show:

            PITY THE NATION
         Pity the nation whose people are sheep,
         and whose shepherds mislead them.

         Pity the nation whose leaders are liars,

whose sages are silenced, and whose bigots haunt the airwaves.

         Pity the nation that raises not its

voice, except to praise conquerors and acclaim the bully as hero and aims to rule the world with force and by torture.

         Pity the nation that knows no other

language but its own and no other culture but its own.

         Pity the nation whose breath is money
         and sleeps the sleep of the too well fed.

         Pity the nation--oh, pity the people who

allow their rights to erode and their freedoms to be washed away.

         My country, tears of thee, sweet land of

liberty.

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By: AB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165373 AB Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:21:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165373 <p>Shalu and Puliogre: I agree with you that her friend's actions weren't the most appropriate. A few weeks later when my sister had collected herself again she met with the University President about the incident. She wanted to see how she could help to teach the pretty rural campus about diversity etc., so he appointed her to his diversity counsel and they had a very successful year with many well-attended events.</p> <p>Being the eternally optimistic person that I am, I always admire when we can take something seemingly negative and turn it into something positive. I guess what continues to trouble me so much about 9/11 is that it was a tragedy but we as a country didn't turn the tragedy into something positive. For example, I was overwhelmed by the international outcry that we received immediately following the tragedy. Unfortunately we as a country didn't use that international condemnation of the attacks to work together to fight terrorism. When will we learn that we are not an island and that we cannot tackle these huge problems unilaterally? All of that international goodwill was completely squandered by this administration and it will take many administrations and some kick-ass diplomacy to get that back.</p> Shalu and Puliogre: I agree with you that her friend’s actions weren’t the most appropriate. A few weeks later when my sister had collected herself again she met with the University President about the incident. She wanted to see how she could help to teach the pretty rural campus about diversity etc., so he appointed her to his diversity counsel and they had a very successful year with many well-attended events.

Being the eternally optimistic person that I am, I always admire when we can take something seemingly negative and turn it into something positive. I guess what continues to trouble me so much about 9/11 is that it was a tragedy but we as a country didn’t turn the tragedy into something positive. For example, I was overwhelmed by the international outcry that we received immediately following the tragedy. Unfortunately we as a country didn’t use that international condemnation of the attacks to work together to fight terrorism. When will we learn that we are not an island and that we cannot tackle these huge problems unilaterally? All of that international goodwill was completely squandered by this administration and it will take many administrations and some kick-ass diplomacy to get that back.

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By: Zen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165369 Zen Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:09:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165369 <blockquote>What else do I remember? The sneering comment from a white college kid "hey where have you hidden bin laden?" as I walked down a street with a group of desi friends, two of whom where wearing salwar kameez.</blockquote> <p>KB, sorry to hear this. I've heard many similar stories from friends and I'm always grateful that I never experienced anything that blatant post 9/11.</p> What else do I remember? The sneering comment from a white college kid “hey where have you hidden bin laden?” as I walked down a street with a group of desi friends, two of whom where wearing salwar kameez.

KB, sorry to hear this. I’ve heard many similar stories from friends and I’m always grateful that I never experienced anything that blatant post 9/11.

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By: rudie_c http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165351 rudie_c Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:08:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165351 <p>"don't think I'd last through the documentary you saw, Rudie”</p> <p>It was hard, the Journalist at one point was trying to find out who the man was, a women who MAY have been the sister of the man. She sort of hit home when she said something like, she hopes he is not trying to find who the man was, but we find out who are we as Americans, and Really dealing with the tragic event.</p> “don’t think I’d last through the documentary you saw, Rudie”

It was hard, the Journalist at one point was trying to find out who the man was, a women who MAY have been the sister of the man. She sort of hit home when she said something like, she hopes he is not trying to find who the man was, but we find out who are we as Americans, and Really dealing with the tragic event.

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By: Puliogre in da USA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165350 Puliogre in da USA Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:59:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165350 <blockquote>Not sure that was the most ideal response, particularly given the surrounding events, but I do admire him standing up for your sister.</blockquote> <p>sempre DIE mutha-f*cka!</p> Not sure that was the most ideal response, particularly given the surrounding events, but I do admire him standing up for your sister.

sempre DIE mutha-f*cka!

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By: Shalu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/11/september_11_ev/comment-page-2/#comment-165348 Shalu Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:40:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4717#comment-165348 <blockquote>Upon my sister bursting into tears, her friend took the guys around the corner and slammed their faces in. </blockquote> <p>Not sure that was the most ideal response, particularly given the surrounding events, but I do admire him standing up for your sister.</p> Upon my sister bursting into tears, her friend took the guys around the corner and slammed their faces in.

Not sure that was the most ideal response, particularly given the surrounding events, but I do admire him standing up for your sister.

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