Comments on: Betting on Brown for the Booker? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Somewhere East http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164791 Somewhere East Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164791 <p>The Reluctant Fundamentalist was so very silly. It wasn't terrible, and it kept me reading, but -- as risible pointed out -- the narrator is absurd. Predictably, American reviewers were shocked, scandalized, etc by some references to the WTC, which might have accounted for some sales in the US. The narrator bugged me because he had some particularly South Asian irritating traits. Maybe the sign of a good writer, but it doesn't make for a very pleasurable read.</p> The Reluctant Fundamentalist was so very silly. It wasn’t terrible, and it kept me reading, but — as risible pointed out — the narrator is absurd. Predictably, American reviewers were shocked, scandalized, etc by some references to the WTC, which might have accounted for some sales in the US. The narrator bugged me because he had some particularly South Asian irritating traits. Maybe the sign of a good writer, but it doesn’t make for a very pleasurable read.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164593 my_dog_jagat Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:12:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164593 <p>A little off-topic perhaps ...</p> <blockquote> He had a seminar class at the campus, and he would drive from the observatory/ home to teach to that class early in the morning in Chicago winter. That class had only two students - from China - they both went to win Nobel Prizes themselves.</blockquote> <p>And this I believe is the difference between Indians and Chinese (culled from my own long, direct and sometimes painful experiences with them in a variety of situations and settings). Chinese professors (or bosses) or lab directors hire Chinese only. Sometimes a whitey or two is thrown in. Now Indian professors take on students of many nationalities--including the Chinese. Of course, as with all generalizations, there will be exceptions. But with my statistically valid sample size, I am comfortable making this statement. The Chinese I have noticed, only encourage, mentor and give freely to their own.</p> <p>Check out for instance this department at UCLA: http://directory.stat.ucla.edu/</p> <p>Ker-Chau Li (100% Chinese lab) Yingnian Wu (ditto--co-adivises one Caucasian) Hongquan Xu (China only) Song-chun Zhu (gets Chinese students every year-- also has a few Caucasians because he is high profile--told an Indian student (non-muslim) he didn't want muslims in his lab) Qing Zhou (the new hire-- now with so many Chinese professors, the new hires are bound to be Chinese)</p> <p>There is only that much xenophobia I will put up with. These days I have a 100% boycott on the Chinese. And since it is not so easy to manage that in Califorina, I have moved to France.</p> A little off-topic perhaps …

He had a seminar class at the campus, and he would drive from the observatory/ home to teach to that class early in the morning in Chicago winter. That class had only two students – from China – they both went to win Nobel Prizes themselves.

And this I believe is the difference between Indians and Chinese (culled from my own long, direct and sometimes painful experiences with them in a variety of situations and settings). Chinese professors (or bosses) or lab directors hire Chinese only. Sometimes a whitey or two is thrown in. Now Indian professors take on students of many nationalities–including the Chinese. Of course, as with all generalizations, there will be exceptions. But with my statistically valid sample size, I am comfortable making this statement. The Chinese I have noticed, only encourage, mentor and give freely to their own.

Check out for instance this department at UCLA: http://directory.stat.ucla.edu/

Ker-Chau Li (100% Chinese lab) Yingnian Wu (ditto–co-adivises one Caucasian) Hongquan Xu (China only) Song-chun Zhu (gets Chinese students every year– also has a few Caucasians because he is high profile–told an Indian student (non-muslim) he didn’t want muslims in his lab) Qing Zhou (the new hire– now with so many Chinese professors, the new hires are bound to be Chinese)

There is only that much xenophobia I will put up with. These days I have a 100% boycott on the Chinese. And since it is not so easy to manage that in Califorina, I have moved to France.

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By: Puliogre in da USA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164583 Puliogre in da USA Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:38:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164583 <blockquote>Paranoid Android </blockquote> <p>nice name...is that reffering to that song by Radiohead?</p> Paranoid Android

nice name…is that reffering to that song by Radiohead?

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By: tash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164582 tash Sun, 09 Sep 2007 04:31:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164582 <p>I think The Reluctant Fundamentalist is one of those books that a lot of us have seen in bookshops and probably dismissed and walked past, just because it's another globalisation-meets-East-meets-West-meets-McDonalds-meets-Starbucks-meets-Islam-meets-looks-like-a-movie-script-meets... etc. with the obligatory brightly coloured book cover...</p> <p>Obvs. will now pick it up and read just because it's been nominated, but have to see I'm wroting for Llyod Jones's Mister Pip! People go out and read it! There hasn't been a NZ winner sice 1988's The Bone People, aka the most unreadable book ever.</p> <p>The Fundamentalist guy will have many an Outlook article written about his 'diasporic' writings and probably a Mira Nair movie made from the book...he'll live without the Booker.</p> I think The Reluctant Fundamentalist is one of those books that a lot of us have seen in bookshops and probably dismissed and walked past, just because it’s another globalisation-meets-East-meets-West-meets-McDonalds-meets-Starbucks-meets-Islam-meets-looks-like-a-movie-script-meets… etc. with the obligatory brightly coloured book cover…

Obvs. will now pick it up and read just because it’s been nominated, but have to see I’m wroting for Llyod Jones’s Mister Pip! People go out and read it! There hasn’t been a NZ winner sice 1988′s The Bone People, aka the most unreadable book ever.

The Fundamentalist guy will have many an Outlook article written about his ‘diasporic’ writings and probably a Mira Nair movie made from the book…he’ll live without the Booker.

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By: Paranoid Android http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164557 Paranoid Android Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:29:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164557 <p>these are the only things that i liked about The Reluctant Fundamentalist are:</p> <ol> <li>It is short.</li> <li>The narrator's voice (though anachronistic) and style of narration is fairly decent.</li> </ol> <p>If the story were not complete fiction, with some fair bit of editing, this could have been shrunk into a Time magazine article.</p> <p>IMHO, this is a very ordinary book with precious little up for serious discussion, and certainly is a ridiculous title to be considered for a Booker. Now they can always give it away to whoever they like, but it will be a slap to other notable Booker-ees such as Rushdie, Naipaul and other brown writers.</p> these are the only things that i liked about The Reluctant Fundamentalist are:

  1. It is short.
  2. The narrator’s voice (though anachronistic) and style of narration is fairly decent.

If the story were not complete fiction, with some fair bit of editing, this could have been shrunk into a Time magazine article.

IMHO, this is a very ordinary book with precious little up for serious discussion, and certainly is a ridiculous title to be considered for a Booker. Now they can always give it away to whoever they like, but it will be a slap to other notable Booker-ees such as Rushdie, Naipaul and other brown writers.

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By: fsowalla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164555 fsowalla Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:49:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164555 <p>I'd be up for a book club discussion of The Reluctant Fundamentalist. I did my own brief review <a href="http://fsowalla.wordpress.com/2007/04/19/book-review-the-reluctant-fundamentalist/">here</a>. I thought <a href="http://jaiarjun.blogspot.com/2007/04/preserving-identity-reluctant.html">Jabberwock's review</a> was also interesting.</p> I’d be up for a book club discussion of The Reluctant Fundamentalist. I did my own brief review here. I thought Jabberwock’s review was also interesting.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164553 Ennis Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:40:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164553 <p>I said "<b>Not a statement about Chandrashekar</b>"</p> I said “Not a statement about Chandrashekar

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By: chachaji http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164552 chachaji Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:14:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164552 <p>One thing Chandra's own initial life in the US does illustrate is the statement attributed to Martin Luther King about who a black person with a PhD is - a 'nigg*r'. Here was a person who had already done by the time he was 20 the work that would later be mentioned in his Nobel Prize citation (which itself came 50 years later - a related but separate issue). But even a Nobel caliber physicist was subject to many racial indignities in the 1930s-1950s US. Things have changed in some ways since then, but not by nearly as much as some people think.</p> <p>In later life, Chandra did take on African graduate students - including a student from Nigeria he specifically recalls in the Wali book, who was subsequently quite active in relativity research. This was quite pioneering in its own way. So I'm pretty sure his own experience sensitized him considerably, and he did his bit, or more than a little bit, against racial prejudice, which his own stunning excellence did a lot by itself to help dissipate.</p> One thing Chandra’s own initial life in the US does illustrate is the statement attributed to Martin Luther King about who a black person with a PhD is – a ‘nigg*r’. Here was a person who had already done by the time he was 20 the work that would later be mentioned in his Nobel Prize citation (which itself came 50 years later – a related but separate issue). But even a Nobel caliber physicist was subject to many racial indignities in the 1930s-1950s US. Things have changed in some ways since then, but not by nearly as much as some people think.

In later life, Chandra did take on African graduate students – including a student from Nigeria he specifically recalls in the Wali book, who was subsequently quite active in relativity research. This was quite pioneering in its own way. So I’m pretty sure his own experience sensitized him considerably, and he did his bit, or more than a little bit, against racial prejudice, which his own stunning excellence did a lot by itself to help dissipate.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164551 Kush Tandon Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:54:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164551 <p><i>Not a statement about Chandrashekar, but you've never heard anybody Indian complain about having to work with a black person?</i></p> <p>If you had read anything about Chandra, he was known for his <b>decency, tough-mindedness</b>, and love for Shakespeare and English literature. He would spend enormous time with his students.</p> <p>He had a seminar class at the campus, and he would drive from the observatory/ home to teach to that class early in the morning in Chicago winter. That class had only two students - from China - they both went to win Nobel Prizes themselves.</p> <p>He had an Indian student from whom he found out Himachal Pradesh University (Simla) did not have the most of the journals. He donated all his journal collection to the HP University.</p> <p>He would work on a topic for 5-10 years, and create a magnus opus on that topic - be it black holes, hydrodynamics - 6 books on different topics, and they are considered classics in their topics.</p> <p>He spent quite a few time at IISc (Bangalore) founded by his own uncle, CV Raman.</p> Not a statement about Chandrashekar, but you’ve never heard anybody Indian complain about having to work with a black person?

If you had read anything about Chandra, he was known for his decency, tough-mindedness, and love for Shakespeare and English literature. He would spend enormous time with his students.

He had a seminar class at the campus, and he would drive from the observatory/ home to teach to that class early in the morning in Chicago winter. That class had only two students – from China – they both went to win Nobel Prizes themselves.

He had an Indian student from whom he found out Himachal Pradesh University (Simla) did not have the most of the journals. He donated all his journal collection to the HP University.

He would work on a topic for 5-10 years, and create a magnus opus on that topic – be it black holes, hydrodynamics – 6 books on different topics, and they are considered classics in their topics.

He spent quite a few time at IISc (Bangalore) founded by his own uncle, CV Raman.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/09/07/betting_on_brow/comment-page-1/#comment-164550 Ennis Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:36:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4710#comment-164550 <blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>When he first arrived at the University of Chicago, the Dean of the Physics Department very openly stated he had no intention of working with a black scientist. He thought the very idea preposterous. </blockquote> How very Indian!</blockquote> Whatever do you mean?</blockquote> <p>Not a statement about Chandrashekar, but you've never heard anybody Indian complain about having to work with a black person?</p>
When he first arrived at the University of Chicago, the Dean of the Physics Department very openly stated he had no intention of working with a black scientist. He thought the very idea preposterous.
How very Indian!
Whatever do you mean?

Not a statement about Chandrashekar, but you’ve never heard anybody Indian complain about having to work with a black person?

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