Comments on: Omnivores: More Dangerous Than SUVs

By: The Truth

The Truth — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:52:06 +0000

Ok…24/7… on post #40… that is one of the worst and very misinformed posts I have read for the simple fact that you obviously have not read any Bernard Hopkins interviews. B-Hop has for years eaten fish, chicken, eggs, and is also known to mix up his own protein shakes. It is PORK that he does not eat because of his muslim religious beliefs. He does consume a good amount of veggies, fruits, etc. However I have also read an interview where he was eating pancakes (albeit without almost any syrup) and orange juice… which though better than most choices are still processed foods. So, if he was eating those foods alone w/out any solid protein, sorry… that wouldn’t even be a good ‘vegan’ diet. And about the model comment, sorry. I know of a Guess model, Kristin Garcia who never had a problem eating steak. And what about the Men’s Health Models like Gregg Avedon who sport a much healthier physique than many of the string-bean models. Too many generalizations and not enough fact.

By: KarmaByte

KarmaByte — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:59:02 +0000

What I'm saying is that converting from raising factory farm animals for slaughter is not intrisically less energy-intensive (or carbon-neutral) than forcing the growth of certain crops in the same area.

I hear you Camille, but that just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I am just slow or not thinking in terms of directly replacing animal farms with soy farms in the same area.

Anyway I need a nice juicy burger but alas I promised someone to go veggie!

By: Amitabh

Amitabh — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:58:52 +0000

Yet American government policy has been to prop up and subsidize American corn growers (with corn being an important component of livestock feed and used in many different food products – e.g. soda), keeping foreign corn out. Is that a good idea – environmentally, politically, socially? I would have to do more research, but I can’t imagine that it is.

Yeah, we need to stop babying our farmers.

By: Lakshmi

Lakshmi — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:27:29 +0000

Several people mentioned that meat-eating would be more environmentally sound if people bought meat that was produced locally. I just noticed a great recent article in the Texas Observer related to this topic. Apparently “going local” may not be more energy efficient than sourcing food from places where it is more easily produced:

http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2564

I had recently traveled in Guatemala where corn grows like weeds with little need for irrigation due to the regular tropical rain showers. It also has a much longer growing season than in the cold mid-west climates where American corn is grown. Yet American government policy has been to prop up and subsidize American corn growers (with corn being an important component of livestock feed and used in many different food products – e.g. soda), keeping foreign corn out. Is that a good idea – environmentally, politically, socially? I would have to do more research, but I can’t imagine that it is.

By: SM Intern

SM Intern — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:14:52 +0000

so he sent Clinton and Gore,
and then he sent Anna,
vegan and wise.

Anna is not a vegan. There are six kinds of cheese and two types of milk in the bunker fridge.

By: veg-want-to-be

veg-want-to-be — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:01:51 +0000

The cost of “well cared for” meat is fairly high.

This “authors at google” video with Bill Niman covers some of this info:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q8bl9mfkgk

Niman Ranch sells “natural” but quite expensive meat. However, the negative externalities are built into the price–unlike BK and the clown. (http://www.nimanranch.com)

OK, putting my beans in the pot to soak overnight .. ..

By: veg-want-to-be

veg-want-to-be — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:58:04 +0000

Some US beef information:

most commercial beef is corn fed (farm subsidies, etc)
cows cannot digest corn properly (probably leading to more gas)
12% to 32% of cows develop liver abscesses
(source: http://jas.fass.org/cgi/content/abstract/76/1/287)
since cows cannot eat so much corn and stay alive, they receive lots of antibiotics

Michael Pollan’s 2002 New York Times magazine article titled Power Steer has details on much of this. A quick google search showed that someone copied the article:

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Power-Steer-Pollan31mar02.htm

By: Sudan

Sudan — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:52:45 +0000

Hmmm…I don’t second fittycents suggestion. That NRA suggestion makes more logical sense in PETA’s elimination of green house gases proposal.

By: fittycents

fittycents — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:47:02 +0000

I second Sudan's suggestion. I have a similar innovative solution for the world poverty. Instead of distributing food in poor regions, lets distribute guns. Poor will kill each other and there will be less poverty.

NRA is already out there helping in conserving the environment . Lets get their help in eliminating world poverty...

By: Sudan

Sudan — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:54:30 +0000

HOld on a moment here…this article doesn’t make any sense at all. If everyone stopped eating meat there’s going to be more cows and lambs walking around and farting which isn’t going to help in reducing greenhouse gases. It makes more sense for everyone to start eating meating like there’s no tomorrow, that will do reduce the population of livestock and help the environment.

So the message should be, if you want to be a good environmentalist, start doubling or tripling your meat intake. We need all the vegetarians and vegans on this environmental mission