Comments on: Call the Wambulance! We have a pre-med allergy! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163816 nala Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:41:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163816 <p><B>ak</b>, thanks for the advice. you sound like you have a good head on your shoulders. :)</p> ak, thanks for the advice. you sound like you have a good head on your shoulders. :)

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163692 Amitabh Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:12:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163692 <blockquote>switch to doing things that make you happy and keep you interested.</blockquote> <p>This is fine as long as you're willing to accept the possible financial trade-off. Of course, some people make a lot of money doing what they love, which is the best of both worlds.</p> switch to doing things that make you happy and keep you interested.

This is fine as long as you’re willing to accept the possible financial trade-off. Of course, some people make a lot of money doing what they love, which is the best of both worlds.

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By: Power & Politics http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163625 Power & Politics Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:48:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163625 <p>LW, I deeply sympathize with your situation. I got into one of those fancy 7 year guaranteed med school programs, only to turn my back on it and go to school out of state (because I think even 17 year old me recognized that I needed space to grow, space that was far away from my parents.)</p> <p>I tried to be a good premed, but I wound up failing my science classes. For someone who had excelled at science, this was unusual. Later on, I recognized that I did it subconsciously to show my parents that I wasn't cut out for it. In retrospect, it wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done, because it hurt my GPA. But it was effective. When I went home and told my parents that I was done with pre-med, I felt so much lighter. So they actually naturally thought I would be pre-law, and I acquiesced because you don't have a set courseload for pre-law. (I don't think Cary's advice is necessarily much different than what I did, except that he did write it in a patronizing fashion.)</p> <p>Years later, I still leave the option open, but in my heart of hearts, I'm pretty sure I would be miserable as a lawyer. It's just that the path to financial success and personal misery on that road is shorter - 3 years of training versus 7+ for med school. My friends who are residents, who did it because they were too afraid to stand up to their parents and do what they really wanted to, they work 80 hours a week. Medicine is a long slow haul, and you have to really want it. Same with law, as Anna said. And life is too short to be living for someone else's benefit, even if they guilt trip you by saying that they gave you life. You really don't want to be 33 and living someone else's life.</p> <p>I'm happy and successful because I followed my own path, and I am proud that whatever mistakes I made are mine. But one of the greatest decisions I ever made was not going to medical school. Cut your GPA losses here, and switch to doing things that make you happy and keep you interested. I'm sure your GPA will improve, and this will probably make your parents happy as well. Plus, you are going to have a hard time getting into better law schools with increasing numbers of D's and F's.</p> <p>The other thing to keep in mind is that the ability to write well stretches across professions and will get you a lot farther in most fields than the ability to dissect human tissue. You shouldn't be having panic attacks over this issue. I think you know what you need to do, and you just feel conflicted about hurting your parents. But your parents are, as Anna pointed out, highly resourceful people who had to overcome great obstacles to come here. They will be able to get over your choice in time, and even come to tell you that they are proud of you. Mine did.</p> <p>Good luck, LW. I think you have a bright future ahead.</p> LW, I deeply sympathize with your situation. I got into one of those fancy 7 year guaranteed med school programs, only to turn my back on it and go to school out of state (because I think even 17 year old me recognized that I needed space to grow, space that was far away from my parents.)

I tried to be a good premed, but I wound up failing my science classes. For someone who had excelled at science, this was unusual. Later on, I recognized that I did it subconsciously to show my parents that I wasn’t cut out for it. In retrospect, it wasn’t the smartest thing I’ve ever done, because it hurt my GPA. But it was effective. When I went home and told my parents that I was done with pre-med, I felt so much lighter. So they actually naturally thought I would be pre-law, and I acquiesced because you don’t have a set courseload for pre-law. (I don’t think Cary’s advice is necessarily much different than what I did, except that he did write it in a patronizing fashion.)

Years later, I still leave the option open, but in my heart of hearts, I’m pretty sure I would be miserable as a lawyer. It’s just that the path to financial success and personal misery on that road is shorter – 3 years of training versus 7+ for med school. My friends who are residents, who did it because they were too afraid to stand up to their parents and do what they really wanted to, they work 80 hours a week. Medicine is a long slow haul, and you have to really want it. Same with law, as Anna said. And life is too short to be living for someone else’s benefit, even if they guilt trip you by saying that they gave you life. You really don’t want to be 33 and living someone else’s life.

I’m happy and successful because I followed my own path, and I am proud that whatever mistakes I made are mine. But one of the greatest decisions I ever made was not going to medical school. Cut your GPA losses here, and switch to doing things that make you happy and keep you interested. I’m sure your GPA will improve, and this will probably make your parents happy as well. Plus, you are going to have a hard time getting into better law schools with increasing numbers of D’s and F’s.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the ability to write well stretches across professions and will get you a lot farther in most fields than the ability to dissect human tissue. You shouldn’t be having panic attacks over this issue. I think you know what you need to do, and you just feel conflicted about hurting your parents. But your parents are, as Anna pointed out, highly resourceful people who had to overcome great obstacles to come here. They will be able to get over your choice in time, and even come to tell you that they are proud of you. Mine did.

Good luck, LW. I think you have a bright future ahead.

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By: sk http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163604 sk Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:49:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163604 <p>I really enjoyed reading through all the posts. Anna, nice work.</p> <p>I had no idea about what I wanted to do for years. I was good at Math and I loved it so I wound up with a Masters degree in Statistics and Math. But I was so afraid of computers (had some pathological fear of technology which I have only recently conquered) so I ended up working in an art gallery for a while (which I enjoyed). Then I worked for a TV company because I wanted to earn some money to go back to college and get a teaching degree. Then I volunteered at a special education school and realised I loved my work,so I switched to working in special education. It's taken me so long to figure out what I want to do. My parents always said, "Do what makes you happy" to any of my career/life questions...I appreciate their lack of pushyness but I do feel they were so laid-back that I couldn't look to them for any direction. My mom says parents can never win!</p> I really enjoyed reading through all the posts. Anna, nice work.

I had no idea about what I wanted to do for years. I was good at Math and I loved it so I wound up with a Masters degree in Statistics and Math. But I was so afraid of computers (had some pathological fear of technology which I have only recently conquered) so I ended up working in an art gallery for a while (which I enjoyed). Then I worked for a TV company because I wanted to earn some money to go back to college and get a teaching degree. Then I volunteered at a special education school and realised I loved my work,so I switched to working in special education. It’s taken me so long to figure out what I want to do. My parents always said, “Do what makes you happy” to any of my career/life questions…I appreciate their lack of pushyness but I do feel they were so laid-back that I couldn’t look to them for any direction. My mom says parents can never win!

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163532 Meena Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:24:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163532 <p>Lol ok that clarifies a lot. Over here the undergraduate degree is 3 years.</p> Lol ok that clarifies a lot. Over here the undergraduate degree is 3 years.

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By: Amit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163527 Amit Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:14:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163527 <blockquote>PS could someone please explain the concepts of freshman/senior/sophomore? I'm not American so I don't quite get it...</blockquote> <p>On the way to earning a Bachelor's (undergraduate) degree in four years, freshmen = 1st year in college (mostly called school in the US) in India sophomore = 2nd junior = 3rd senior = 4th and final</p> <p>There's a similar concept in high schools too, but I'll let an ABD explain that.</p> PS could someone please explain the concepts of freshman/senior/sophomore? I’m not American so I don’t quite get it…

On the way to earning a Bachelor’s (undergraduate) degree in four years, freshmen = 1st year in college (mostly called school in the US) in India sophomore = 2nd junior = 3rd senior = 4th and final

There’s a similar concept in high schools too, but I’ll let an ABD explain that.

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By: Meena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163523 Meena Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:39:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163523 <p><b>ak</b>,</p> <blockquote>and don't listen to muralimannered - i've completed three degrees after college (incl. 2 in law) so you can have your eyeliner, sex and good GPA simultanously! seriously, don't stress about what's happened - just look at your classes strategically and how to change things in the future. e-mail me if you need any tips - it took me a while how to get back into study mode, but thinking though it logically really helped get me interested in classes again, which is really what boosted my GPA...</blockquote> <p>basically in the same situation as <b>nala</b>, studying the prope desi track of science(though biology isn't regarded very highly by most desis and I get the question all the time whether I'm going to be a doctor) and I'm in several clubs/fraternities and did some activities as well, but it's really a killing to juggle studies, clubs and hobbies. Although in my country grades are not regarded that highly they are elsewhere in the world and I always was an overachiever(the 'good girl' everyone got compared to during highschool). I'm even considering seeing a study counselor...</p> <p>PS could someone please explain the concepts of freshman/senior/sophomore? I'm not American so I don't quite get it...</p> ak,

and don’t listen to muralimannered – i’ve completed three degrees after college (incl. 2 in law) so you can have your eyeliner, sex and good GPA simultanously! seriously, don’t stress about what’s happened – just look at your classes strategically and how to change things in the future. e-mail me if you need any tips – it took me a while how to get back into study mode, but thinking though it logically really helped get me interested in classes again, which is really what boosted my GPA…

basically in the same situation as nala, studying the prope desi track of science(though biology isn’t regarded very highly by most desis and I get the question all the time whether I’m going to be a doctor) and I’m in several clubs/fraternities and did some activities as well, but it’s really a killing to juggle studies, clubs and hobbies. Although in my country grades are not regarded that highly they are elsewhere in the world and I always was an overachiever(the ‘good girl’ everyone got compared to during highschool). I’m even considering seeing a study counselor…

PS could someone please explain the concepts of freshman/senior/sophomore? I’m not American so I don’t quite get it…

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163498 ak Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:42:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163498 <p>MM, dude - i was totally kidding! since you (jokingly, i thought) advised her that her GPA wouldn't take her to the specific paths you had mentioned, i wanted to reassure her (also somewhat jokingly) that it was still possible to initially be lax and move onto those paths, in case the poor girl actually intends on following any of the said career options.</p> <p>i don't know anything about you, MM, so i do not (nor did i) make any assumptions about you or anybody else. and i am the last person to judge anybody based on their education, career, or lifestyle. nor do i put much stock into my academic history - i am the first one to make fun of it, and that's the truth. apparently, i should stop making humorous comments on SM, since even the exclamation point at the end of that sentence didn't clue you into my kidding. clearly, you didn't read that comment as i intended it.</p> MM, dude – i was totally kidding! since you (jokingly, i thought) advised her that her GPA wouldn’t take her to the specific paths you had mentioned, i wanted to reassure her (also somewhat jokingly) that it was still possible to initially be lax and move onto those paths, in case the poor girl actually intends on following any of the said career options.

i don’t know anything about you, MM, so i do not (nor did i) make any assumptions about you or anybody else. and i am the last person to judge anybody based on their education, career, or lifestyle. nor do i put much stock into my academic history – i am the first one to make fun of it, and that’s the truth. apparently, i should stop making humorous comments on SM, since even the exclamation point at the end of that sentence didn’t clue you into my kidding. clearly, you didn’t read that comment as i intended it.

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By: muralimannered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163493 muralimannered Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:42:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163493 <blockquote>and <b>don't listen to muralimannered</b> - i've completed three degrees after college (incl. 2 in law) so you can have your eyeliner, sex and good GPA simultanously! seriously, don't stress about what's happened - just look at your classes strategically and how to change things in the future. e-mail me if you need any tips - it took me a while how to get back into study mode, but thinking though it logically really helped get me interested in classes again, which is really what boosted my GPA...</blockquote> <p>yes because i've made such a mess of my life so far, that I do whatever I please, talk however I wish at work and get to debate the finer points of chinese-mfg sex-toy product liability vs. the merits of premises and liqour liability for a 100+ chain strip clubs. It's really bad--I mean I never had to piss in a cup and that's the true mark of real jobbo--you know you've made it when your employer can't trust you with illicit drugs!</p> <p>but...what the hell do I know. I'm not a lawyer, doctor or scientist. I didn't collect post-grad degrees by the bushel and I don't have ulcers, panic attacks or take Klonopin so I can sleep without grinding my teeth. Oh well, I guess i'm missing out on so much.</p> and don’t listen to muralimannered – i’ve completed three degrees after college (incl. 2 in law) so you can have your eyeliner, sex and good GPA simultanously! seriously, don’t stress about what’s happened – just look at your classes strategically and how to change things in the future. e-mail me if you need any tips – it took me a while how to get back into study mode, but thinking though it logically really helped get me interested in classes again, which is really what boosted my GPA…

yes because i’ve made such a mess of my life so far, that I do whatever I please, talk however I wish at work and get to debate the finer points of chinese-mfg sex-toy product liability vs. the merits of premises and liqour liability for a 100+ chain strip clubs. It’s really bad–I mean I never had to piss in a cup and that’s the true mark of real jobbo–you know you’ve made it when your employer can’t trust you with illicit drugs!

but…what the hell do I know. I’m not a lawyer, doctor or scientist. I didn’t collect post-grad degrees by the bushel and I don’t have ulcers, panic attacks or take Klonopin so I can sleep without grinding my teeth. Oh well, I guess i’m missing out on so much.

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/28/call_the_wambul_1/comment-page-6/#comment-163472 ak Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:24:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4690#comment-163472 <p>nala, i was in your exact situation - over-achiever in high school, AP everything (dad started calling me anti-social) and then i hit college and started to flail a bit. i let it go for the first year and the got my first-ever C and then re-grouped. i just started working harder, as well as a bit smarter. it's also good to know your limits - i.e. if a class is not required and you fear a bad effect on your GPA - drop it asap. also, focus on the extra-curriculars - esp. leadership positions, if you find a few clubs, volunteer positions etc that you like, go for them, and try to stick with at least one or two of those until you finish college - good for the stress levels, and it also happens to look good on the resume :)</p> <p>and don't listen to muralimannered - i've completed three degrees after college (incl. 2 in law) so you can have your eyeliner, sex and good GPA simultanously! seriously, don't stress about what's happened - just look at your classes strategically and how to change things in the future. e-mail me if you need any tips - it took me a while how to get back into study mode, but thinking though it logically really helped get me interested in classes again, which is really what boosted my GPA...</p> nala, i was in your exact situation – over-achiever in high school, AP everything (dad started calling me anti-social) and then i hit college and started to flail a bit. i let it go for the first year and the got my first-ever C and then re-grouped. i just started working harder, as well as a bit smarter. it’s also good to know your limits – i.e. if a class is not required and you fear a bad effect on your GPA – drop it asap. also, focus on the extra-curriculars – esp. leadership positions, if you find a few clubs, volunteer positions etc that you like, go for them, and try to stick with at least one or two of those until you finish college – good for the stress levels, and it also happens to look good on the resume :)

and don’t listen to muralimannered – i’ve completed three degrees after college (incl. 2 in law) so you can have your eyeliner, sex and good GPA simultanously! seriously, don’t stress about what’s happened – just look at your classes strategically and how to change things in the future. e-mail me if you need any tips – it took me a while how to get back into study mode, but thinking though it logically really helped get me interested in classes again, which is really what boosted my GPA…

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