Comments on: I feel SO much safer now! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-161281 Sin Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:32:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-161281 <p>Oh lord. This is bad, and it's endemic. One of my distant nephews, who is seven years old, was kept waiting for six hours at the US embassy in Islamabad because his name matched that of someone in the security database. Following that, his passport was kept by the embassy for almost a year, because they were "still verifying that he isn't a threat".</p> <p>Moments such as this one are why Salon.com's "Ask the Pilot" has articles about how Air New Zealand is deliberately going out of its way to advertise flights that avoid the US. Can't say I blame them. If I'm flying anywhere that has a transit through the US, I now re-route my flight to go through somewhere else. It's just too much bullshit to deal with.</p> Oh lord. This is bad, and it’s endemic. One of my distant nephews, who is seven years old, was kept waiting for six hours at the US embassy in Islamabad because his name matched that of someone in the security database. Following that, his passport was kept by the embassy for almost a year, because they were “still verifying that he isn’t a threat”.

Moments such as this one are why Salon.com’s “Ask the Pilot” has articles about how Air New Zealand is deliberately going out of its way to advertise flights that avoid the US. Can’t say I blame them. If I’m flying anywhere that has a transit through the US, I now re-route my flight to go through somewhere else. It’s just too much bullshit to deal with.

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By: gm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-161066 gm Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:20:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-161066 <p>I am not sure that suppressing the human rights of a seven year old will keep the world safe from terrorism.</p> <p>However, I think if the TSA applies a little bit of common sense that just might help the situation quite a bit.</p> I am not sure that suppressing the human rights of a seven year old will keep the world safe from terrorism.

However, I think if the TSA applies a little bit of common sense that just might help the situation quite a bit.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160532 Vikram Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:39:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160532 <blockquote> Sure, if information is gathered earlier, and investigated and vetted, and data much beyond visually identifiable criteria is taken into account, then sure, some degree of profiling would be useful. </blockquote> <p>Yeah, and here's what happens when agents in the field are hamstrung by bureaucratic paper pushers ...</p> <blockquote> Report Details F.B.I.'s Failure on 2 Hijackers <strong> The report provides new information about the bureau's mishandling of a warning from an agent in Phoenix in July 2001 about Middle Eastern extremists connected to Osama bin Laden using American schools to receive aviation training.</strong> Those agents who did see the warning did not have the time to follow it up, or disregarded it because they felt the presence of Middle Eastern flight students was already commonly known. <strong>The agents were also concerned that racial profiling had become so "hot" an issue that they could not pursue the Phoenix agent's suspicions, according to the report.</strong> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/10/politics/10fbi.html?ex=1187841600&en=302f6430295f69c5&ei=5070">link</a> </blockquote> Sure, if information is gathered earlier, and investigated and vetted, and data much beyond visually identifiable criteria is taken into account, then sure, some degree of profiling would be useful.

Yeah, and here’s what happens when agents in the field are hamstrung by bureaucratic paper pushers …

Report Details F.B.I.’s Failure on 2 Hijackers The report provides new information about the bureau’s mishandling of a warning from an agent in Phoenix in July 2001 about Middle Eastern extremists connected to Osama bin Laden using American schools to receive aviation training. Those agents who did see the warning did not have the time to follow it up, or disregarded it because they felt the presence of Middle Eastern flight students was already commonly known. The agents were also concerned that racial profiling had become so “hot” an issue that they could not pursue the Phoenix agent’s suspicions, according to the report. link
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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160527 Vikram Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:36:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160527 <blockquote> Interesting observation. 1) Is this in the USA only? Since this is still White majority nation , I would not read too much into gross numbers 2)Another intersting fact: Serial killers- usually they kill within their own racial group .Don't know if taht has any bearing on the dicussion on terrorists though </blockquote> <p>Here's some information. Don't know how much this applies to countries other than the US.</p> <blockquote> A more specific profile of a serial killer has been presented by Apsche (1993) stating that most are white males in their twenties or thirties, who target strangers near their homes or places of work. <strong>"According to criminologist Eric Hickey, who has assembled the most extensive database on demography of serial murder states that, 88% of serial killers are male, 85% are Caucasian</strong>, and the average age when they claim their first victim is usually around 28.5. <a href="http://www.uplink.com.au/lawlibrary/Documents/Docs/Doc5.html">link</a> </blockquote> Interesting observation. 1) Is this in the USA only? Since this is still White majority nation , I would not read too much into gross numbers 2)Another intersting fact: Serial killers- usually they kill within their own racial group .Don’t know if taht has any bearing on the dicussion on terrorists though

Here’s some information. Don’t know how much this applies to countries other than the US.

A more specific profile of a serial killer has been presented by Apsche (1993) stating that most are white males in their twenties or thirties, who target strangers near their homes or places of work. “According to criminologist Eric Hickey, who has assembled the most extensive database on demography of serial murder states that, 88% of serial killers are male, 85% are Caucasian, and the average age when they claim their first victim is usually around 28.5. link
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By: Runa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160510 Runa Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:21:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160510 <p>And since we are discussing profiling on the basis of appearance check <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/21/hijab.godswarriors/index.html">this </a>out .Once we accept that its okay to target people <b>only</b> because of the way the look , this is what will happen all the time</p> And since we are discussing profiling on the basis of appearance check this out .Once we accept that its okay to target people only because of the way the look , this is what will happen all the time

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By: Runa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160508 Runa Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:05:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160508 <blockquote>Most serial killers : white (yes, there have been a few non-White serial killers, but the majority have been white</blockquote> <p>Vikram, Interesting observation. 1) Is this in the USA only? Since this is still White majority nation , I would not read too much into gross numbers 2)Another intersting fact: Serial killers- usually they kill within their own racial group .Don't know if taht has any bearing on the dicussion on terrorists though</p> Most serial killers : white (yes, there have been a few non-White serial killers, but the majority have been white

Vikram, Interesting observation. 1) Is this in the USA only? Since this is still White majority nation , I would not read too much into gross numbers 2)Another intersting fact: Serial killers- usually they kill within their own racial group .Don’t know if taht has any bearing on the dicussion on terrorists though

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160501 HMF Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:57:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160501 <p><i>Once again, it is all about what context that piece of information is applied to.</i></p> <p>You're stretching far beyond the scope of my comment. Sure, if information is gathered earlier, and investigated and vetted, and data much beyond visually identifiable criteria is taken into account, then sure, some degree of profiling would be useful.</p> Once again, it is all about what context that piece of information is applied to.

You’re stretching far beyond the scope of my comment. Sure, if information is gathered earlier, and investigated and vetted, and data much beyond visually identifiable criteria is taken into account, then sure, some degree of profiling would be useful.

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By: bytewords http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160500 bytewords Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:51:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160500 <p>tamasha (#21) and dave (#45):</p> <p>i am with you both. for millenia, humans have been fooled into awwwing and cuddling the little monsters. time to show them! even while posing for the picture above, i am sure javaid is thinking of his secret nook lair stash.</p> tamasha (#21) and dave (#45):

i am with you both. for millenia, humans have been fooled into awwwing and cuddling the little monsters. time to show them! even while posing for the picture above, i am sure javaid is thinking of his secret nook lair stash.

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160498 Salil Maniktahla Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:28:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160498 <p>It could be done. And then we could force all the suspicious 7-year-olds with scary names to stand in front of the weird machine!</p> <p>I like it.</p> It could be done. And then we could force all the suspicious 7-year-olds with scary names to stand in front of the weird machine!

I like it.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/20/i_feel_so_much/comment-page-2/#comment-160495 Vikram Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:20:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4672#comment-160495 <blockquote> Actually, Ekman is onto something. The microexpressions he's talking about are what Malcolm Gladwell talks about in "Blink." They are some of the most reliable and hard-to-conceal signs of intent for human behavior. </blockquote> <p>Somebody should build a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voight_Kampff">Voight Kampff</a> machine...</p> Actually, Ekman is onto something. The microexpressions he’s talking about are what Malcolm Gladwell talks about in “Blink.” They are some of the most reliable and hard-to-conceal signs of intent for human behavior.

Somebody should build a Voight Kampff machine…

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