Comments on: Yeh Hum Naheen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lizzie (greeneyed fem) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159952 Lizzie (greeneyed fem) Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:19:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159952 <p>This was on the IMDb's news page this week:</p> <p><b>Condemned Film Attracts Throngs in Pakistan</b></p> <p>Despite being condemned by radical clerics, who issued a fatwa against it, the film <i>Khuda Ke Liye</i> (In the Name of God) has become an unqualified hit in Pakistan, Newsweek is reporting on its website. Produced by the Pakistani media conglomerate GEO TV Network, the film not only unfavorably depicts Muslim radicals but also the U.S. military, and takes on such issues as marital rape, forced marriage and jihad, the magazine says. Concerned by the attacks on the film by local mullahs, theater owners are requiring ticket buyers to pass through metal-detection devices as they enter. "It's heroic for the population to want to see this film," GEO TV chief Mir Ibrahim Rehman told Newsweek. "We didn't want to make a popcorn film. We wanted this film to prompt a dialogue and discussion."</p> <p>I just wanted to put it out there as further argument that pop culture, like movies and songs, can be political and create alternative dialogues and still be, well, <i>popular</i> and able to reach a broad segment of a country's population.</p> This was on the IMDb’s news page this week:

Condemned Film Attracts Throngs in Pakistan

Despite being condemned by radical clerics, who issued a fatwa against it, the film Khuda Ke Liye (In the Name of God) has become an unqualified hit in Pakistan, Newsweek is reporting on its website. Produced by the Pakistani media conglomerate GEO TV Network, the film not only unfavorably depicts Muslim radicals but also the U.S. military, and takes on such issues as marital rape, forced marriage and jihad, the magazine says. Concerned by the attacks on the film by local mullahs, theater owners are requiring ticket buyers to pass through metal-detection devices as they enter. “It’s heroic for the population to want to see this film,” GEO TV chief Mir Ibrahim Rehman told Newsweek. “We didn’t want to make a popcorn film. We wanted this film to prompt a dialogue and discussion.”

I just wanted to put it out there as further argument that pop culture, like movies and songs, can be political and create alternative dialogues and still be, well, popular and able to reach a broad segment of a country’s population.

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By: Bob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159921 Bob Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:26:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159921 <p>where are the mullahs? No military personnel? How about women, aside for the singers? What a bunch of BS!</p> where are the mullahs? No military personnel? How about women, aside for the singers? What a bunch of BS!

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By: Macher Jhol with Avial http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159672 Macher Jhol with Avial Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:48:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159672 <p>Loved the post, the possible subtlety of its stance, and its provocative formulation at the end, and am equally amazed at the blithe tautological universalisms in response - people are people, we are all one, etc etc.</p> <p>I am tempted towards a cynical formulation: the elite bourgeoisie of a society enlists random people to ventriloquize its complaints in a feel good video - <b>these people</b> are not us, this is not us, although as Vinod insinuates (or maybe not?), they could also be a bunch of beautiful people telling the rest that that they are chumps.</p> <p>But I will hold that implied criticism of the video - which I am inclined to agree with - in abeyance to pose a series of questions: who <i>are</i> "these people" then? And what <i>are</i> "we" if we are not these people? The video communicates, I am sure, the genuine despair (certainly worthy of empathy) of those who are horrified at those within their own societies who blow themselves up in rage. But we are not all "basically people". This is a fractious public sphere differentiated by economic, material and ideological variations. The video takes great comfort in emphatic pronouncements and hopes that its reach will encompass those outside of its urbane, cosmopolitan vision of humanism, those who cannot be urged to mouth these words.</p> Loved the post, the possible subtlety of its stance, and its provocative formulation at the end, and am equally amazed at the blithe tautological universalisms in response – people are people, we are all one, etc etc.

I am tempted towards a cynical formulation: the elite bourgeoisie of a society enlists random people to ventriloquize its complaints in a feel good video – these people are not us, this is not us, although as Vinod insinuates (or maybe not?), they could also be a bunch of beautiful people telling the rest that that they are chumps.

But I will hold that implied criticism of the video – which I am inclined to agree with – in abeyance to pose a series of questions: who are “these people” then? And what are “we” if we are not these people? The video communicates, I am sure, the genuine despair (certainly worthy of empathy) of those who are horrified at those within their own societies who blow themselves up in rage. But we are not all “basically people”. This is a fractious public sphere differentiated by economic, material and ideological variations. The video takes great comfort in emphatic pronouncements and hopes that its reach will encompass those outside of its urbane, cosmopolitan vision of humanism, those who cannot be urged to mouth these words.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159130 Camille Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:08:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159130 <blockquote>A good story is a good story. People reportedly laughed at much of it, and were shocked that Hindus could believe in it literally, but they watched anyway because it was entertaining, and after all, they're still desis, it's going to strike a chord on some level.</blockquote> <p>I think this underscores the fact that, despite borders and differing geopolitical histories, and religions, people are basically people. We have a lot in common, and very little that is different between us.</p> A good story is a good story. People reportedly laughed at much of it, and were shocked that Hindus could believe in it literally, but they watched anyway because it was entertaining, and after all, they’re still desis, it’s going to strike a chord on some level.

I think this underscores the fact that, despite borders and differing geopolitical histories, and religions, people are basically people. We have a lot in common, and very little that is different between us.

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By: priya b http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159126 priya b Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:03:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159126 <p>Terrific! I have grown tired of hearing negativity against all Muslims...there are good and decent people everywhere, just like there are people with evil intentions everywhere...it really makes me happy to see that these people have taken on the challenge of impacting the consciousness...media is a powerful thing, and if the only thing that the media conveys is violence brought on by certain members of the Muslim community, then the world cannot be made aware of the humanity that rests in the hearts of everyday people who are also Muslim...I do hope this message catches on, and results in a much needed movement towards peace.</p> Terrific! I have grown tired of hearing negativity against all Muslims…there are good and decent people everywhere, just like there are people with evil intentions everywhere…it really makes me happy to see that these people have taken on the challenge of impacting the consciousness…media is a powerful thing, and if the only thing that the media conveys is violence brought on by certain members of the Muslim community, then the world cannot be made aware of the humanity that rests in the hearts of everyday people who are also Muslim…I do hope this message catches on, and results in a much needed movement towards peace.

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By: spoodles http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159115 spoodles Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:41:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159115 <p>I too am very verklempt after reading the blurb on salon.com and seeing the video on youtube, so much so I've changed my status on facebook. Thanks sepiamutiny for alerting salon.com in the first place! The message needs to get out!</p> <p>Very moving indeed (although I do agree with the earlier poster about that black-leather jacket-clad guy emoting waaay too much for the cameras ... sheesh).</p> I too am very verklempt after reading the blurb on salon.com and seeing the video on youtube, so much so I’ve changed my status on facebook. Thanks sepiamutiny for alerting salon.com in the first place! The message needs to get out!

Very moving indeed (although I do agree with the earlier poster about that black-leather jacket-clad guy emoting waaay too much for the cameras … sheesh).

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By: Shalu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159099 Shalu Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:15:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159099 <p>I'm all verklempt after seeing that.</p> <p>So powerful! I'm incredibly happy that it's been released and is so popular.</p> <p>Who are all those singers (single gals would like to know...) ;-)</p> I’m all verklempt after seeing that.

So powerful! I’m incredibly happy that it’s been released and is so popular.

Who are all those singers (single gals would like to know…) ;-)

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By: Shontanu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159071 Shontanu Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:27:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159071 <p>Amen, MadGuru! Very very eloquently put. (I was trying to say something similar, but you said it so much better!)</p> Amen, MadGuru! Very very eloquently put. (I was trying to say something similar, but you said it so much better!)

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By: MadGuru http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159043 MadGuru Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:52:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159043 <p>I saw this a while back and it really made me happy. The power of popular culture/music etc to change people's minds is enormous. Sure you can't change everyone's mind, but when popular artists present an idea, many people will at least listen and think about it. It has the potential to make positive ideas popular, which it seems to have done here. As for female pop singers, there are many more of them besides Hadiqa Kiyani. It bothers me that MoorNam would look at Pakistanis as though we were some kind of aliens who don't have any similarity to other people. Perhaps you don't mean it quite like that, but I find that to be a problem with people all over the world, including people in Pakistan. To forget that one group is as human as the next is quite a sick way to look at the world in my opinion. It makes it all too convenient to suggest some sort of different insanity that drives the thoughts and lives of one group of people (no matter how internally diverse) that one's own group is somehow completely devoid of.</p> <p>Also, this isn't the only voice of reason in Pakistan. Most tv dramas in Pakistan are all about social issues. Most of them speaking out against cruelty and injustice of all kinds. In addition, you have Sufi saints, poets whose eloquent words of love and inclusiveness are still sung by the majority of musicians in Pakistan. Many people have spoken out throughout history and continue to do so today against bigotry, violence etc. This is not a western or eastern idea. Much like the horrible side of people, this positive side is also simply human, regardless of ethnicity.</p> I saw this a while back and it really made me happy. The power of popular culture/music etc to change people’s minds is enormous. Sure you can’t change everyone’s mind, but when popular artists present an idea, many people will at least listen and think about it. It has the potential to make positive ideas popular, which it seems to have done here. As for female pop singers, there are many more of them besides Hadiqa Kiyani. It bothers me that MoorNam would look at Pakistanis as though we were some kind of aliens who don’t have any similarity to other people. Perhaps you don’t mean it quite like that, but I find that to be a problem with people all over the world, including people in Pakistan. To forget that one group is as human as the next is quite a sick way to look at the world in my opinion. It makes it all too convenient to suggest some sort of different insanity that drives the thoughts and lives of one group of people (no matter how internally diverse) that one’s own group is somehow completely devoid of.

Also, this isn’t the only voice of reason in Pakistan. Most tv dramas in Pakistan are all about social issues. Most of them speaking out against cruelty and injustice of all kinds. In addition, you have Sufi saints, poets whose eloquent words of love and inclusiveness are still sung by the majority of musicians in Pakistan. Many people have spoken out throughout history and continue to do so today against bigotry, violence etc. This is not a western or eastern idea. Much like the horrible side of people, this positive side is also simply human, regardless of ethnicity.

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By: trollerboi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/yeh_hum_naheen/comment-page-1/#comment-159032 trollerboi Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:42:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4660#comment-159032 <p>Nice find. As with most people on this board seemingly, were it not for my Muslim acquaintances with roots on both sides of the border, and for the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/alikhurshid">spectacular art of Ali Khurshid</a>, I would not know how beautiful and normal contemporary Pakistan is, if all i had to graze on was MSM coverage.</p> Nice find. As with most people on this board seemingly, were it not for my Muslim acquaintances with roots on both sides of the border, and for the spectacular art of Ali Khurshid, I would not know how beautiful and normal contemporary Pakistan is, if all i had to graze on was MSM coverage.

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