Comments on: Intel’s "slave ship" in Indian harbor http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: L. Brooks http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-191688 L. Brooks Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:25:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-191688 <p>Insenstive, yes... but you see what you want to see. They aren't bowing, they're "sprinters." It's a metaphor, not a racial slur. A bad idea. But have a clue, they're not bowing.</p> Insenstive, yes… but you see what you want to see. They aren’t bowing, they’re “sprinters.” It’s a metaphor, not a racial slur. A bad idea. But have a clue, they’re not bowing.

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By: Amit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-161140 Amit Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:38:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-161140 <blockquote>One thing this discussion has missed is the actual slave-like labor that goes into the production of computer parts. </blockquote> <p>Oh, for a moment I thought you meant the slave-like H1B visa. ;)</p> One thing this discussion has missed is the actual slave-like labor that goes into the production of computer parts.

Oh, for a moment I thought you meant the slave-like H1B visa. ;)

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By: GreenDaddy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160207 GreenDaddy Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:18:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160207 <p>One thing this discussion has missed is the actual slave-like labor that goes into the production of computer parts. The racist image of the black men bowing to the white male is a slip not only exposing the notion of white privilege and the racism that goes on in white collar offices but also the living and working conditions of those people who make computer parts. For all you Marxists out there, your analysis should not stop at your own experience of office spaces in the center of global trade.</p> One thing this discussion has missed is the actual slave-like labor that goes into the production of computer parts. The racist image of the black men bowing to the white male is a slip not only exposing the notion of white privilege and the racism that goes on in white collar offices but also the living and working conditions of those people who make computer parts. For all you Marxists out there, your analysis should not stop at your own experience of office spaces in the center of global trade.

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By: Dave http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160188 Dave Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:01:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160188 <p>Louie, interesting theory about John Ford/Fard Muhammad. A "new age" religion/spiritual idea introduced to America by an entrepreneurial desi?</p> Louie, interesting theory about John Ford/Fard Muhammad. A “new age” religion/spiritual idea introduced to America by an entrepreneurial desi?

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160184 Camille Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:47:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160184 <p>I'm with Dave on this one (at least for his comments post-#252).</p> <blockquote>But the fact of the matter is that Indians have a skin colour similar to blacks and hispanics, and we are currently the most successful ethnic minority in the US (and indeed in the UK). Obviously, we have it much easier now than blacks and jews had it 50 years back, and such success would never happen in the 1950s where there were laws that would have prevented us from achieving what we have today. Obviously, I do believe that the legacy of repression certainly has its effects in the black community today, but I don't believe that skin colour is a handicap to success at this day and age.</blockquote> <p>It's not at all an equitable comparison, and your analogy completely ignores the very biased immigration selection processes that also turn out more professional, highly-educated desis into the system. I'm not so reductionist to believe that skin color is the only thing that makes or breaks class and social barriers, but this model minority pandering also downplays the role of desis in civil rights struggle and our historic presence in the U.S. for over 100 years.</p> I’m with Dave on this one (at least for his comments post-#252).

But the fact of the matter is that Indians have a skin colour similar to blacks and hispanics, and we are currently the most successful ethnic minority in the US (and indeed in the UK). Obviously, we have it much easier now than blacks and jews had it 50 years back, and such success would never happen in the 1950s where there were laws that would have prevented us from achieving what we have today. Obviously, I do believe that the legacy of repression certainly has its effects in the black community today, but I don’t believe that skin colour is a handicap to success at this day and age.

It’s not at all an equitable comparison, and your analogy completely ignores the very biased immigration selection processes that also turn out more professional, highly-educated desis into the system. I’m not so reductionist to believe that skin color is the only thing that makes or breaks class and social barriers, but this model minority pandering also downplays the role of desis in civil rights struggle and our historic presence in the U.S. for over 100 years.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160078 Manju Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:49:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160078 <blockquote>it seems he's quite the master-baiter.</blockquote> <p>i applaud your colourful double-entendre, HMF, but I doubt you can keep it up.</p> it seems he’s quite the master-baiter.

i applaud your colourful double-entendre, HMF, but I doubt you can keep it up.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160076 Manju Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:45:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160076 <blockquote>I understand your mind is colonialized and a bit white-washed, but I had no idea it ran that deep.</blockquote> <p>I'd respond, HMF, but the GAP is closing soon and I need some Khakis.</p> <blockquote>No I haven't. it's unclear how all that mumbo jumbo you spewed relates to my contention that, the qualities you said you embrace (or at least would like to) when viewed in an american context take on different meaning. </blockquote> <p>well, to put it another way, whether or not the free market is good for POC is debatable. Not everthing is an issue like aparthied, where the postion a POC would take is relatively ovbvious. I know how you feel since you're certain about your politics. I think its pretty obvious that globalization is good for India, but I still don't believe Arundhati Roy suffers from self-hatred.</p> <blockquote>I wasn't the one to bring up Farrakhan or the NOI in this discussion, rather it was Manju who did. (#221 & #224)</blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004662.html#comment159726">#177: "Most of the 'Jewish exploitation of black' literature comes from the nation of islam and other such sites, which will always be classified as 'hate speech' "</a></p> I understand your mind is colonialized and a bit white-washed, but I had no idea it ran that deep.

I’d respond, HMF, but the GAP is closing soon and I need some Khakis.

No I haven’t. it’s unclear how all that mumbo jumbo you spewed relates to my contention that, the qualities you said you embrace (or at least would like to) when viewed in an american context take on different meaning.

well, to put it another way, whether or not the free market is good for POC is debatable. Not everthing is an issue like aparthied, where the postion a POC would take is relatively ovbvious. I know how you feel since you’re certain about your politics. I think its pretty obvious that globalization is good for India, but I still don’t believe Arundhati Roy suffers from self-hatred.

I wasn’t the one to bring up Farrakhan or the NOI in this discussion, rather it was Manju who did. (#221 & #224)

#177: “Most of the ‘Jewish exploitation of black’ literature comes from the nation of islam and other such sites, which will always be classified as ‘hate speech’ “

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160067 louiecypher Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:30:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160067 <blockquote>HMF, Why do you prefer to talk about Farakhan instead progressive african americans like Harry Belafonte or Barack Obama?</blockquote> <p>Maybe HMF is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad">John Ford/Fard Muhammad</a>, the Founder of NOI, returned from his period of occultation. One theory these days is that this mysterious founder of the NOI was the son of a desi-Muslim father and a kiwi-Brit mom. It's at least as likely as Intel intentionally insulting a significant section of its customer base</p> HMF, Why do you prefer to talk about Farakhan instead progressive african americans like Harry Belafonte or Barack Obama?

Maybe HMF is John Ford/Fard Muhammad, the Founder of NOI, returned from his period of occultation. One theory these days is that this mysterious founder of the NOI was the son of a desi-Muslim father and a kiwi-Brit mom. It’s at least as likely as Intel intentionally insulting a significant section of its customer base

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By: HMF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160066 HMF Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:55:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160066 <p>Dave, don't get me wrong here, I'm not an outright follower of Farrakhan or the NOI. I can safely say I know more about their history than most, because it's something I've looked at in detail, and I've actually spoken with some current and ex-members. I remember meeting a 60 year old ex member who knew Benjamin 2X (Benjamin Karim), who heard Malcolm speak once and sent me some footage of an early speech of his.</p> <p>I wasn't the one to bring up Farrakhan or the NOI in this discussion, rather it was Manju who did. (#221 & #224) As a matter of fact it wasn't even me who brought the Jewish question up (# 126) it seems he's quite the master-baiter.</p> Dave, don’t get me wrong here, I’m not an outright follower of Farrakhan or the NOI. I can safely say I know more about their history than most, because it’s something I’ve looked at in detail, and I’ve actually spoken with some current and ex-members. I remember meeting a 60 year old ex member who knew Benjamin 2X (Benjamin Karim), who heard Malcolm speak once and sent me some footage of an early speech of his.

I wasn’t the one to bring up Farrakhan or the NOI in this discussion, rather it was Manju who did. (#221 & #224) As a matter of fact it wasn’t even me who brought the Jewish question up (# 126) it seems he’s quite the master-baiter.

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By: Dave http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/15/dells_slave_shi/comment-page-6/#comment-160065 Dave Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:45:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4662#comment-160065 <p>HMF, Why do you prefer to talk about Farakhan instead progressive african americans like Harry Belafonte or Barack Obama?</p> HMF, Why do you prefer to talk about Farakhan instead progressive african americans like Harry Belafonte or Barack Obama?

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