Comments on: Rainbow Six http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-158416 Salil Maniktahla Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:28:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-158416 <p>I should also mention that there's a certain amount of arrogance in the Special Forces. That is, they might actually really think "It doesn't really matter if Pakistan knows we're planning this, because we'll get the nukes regardless."</p> <p>And to their credit, all the US Special Forces that might potentially be involved, and also those of other countries (especially Israel) would not be undue put upon to take out a small breakaway portion of the ISI that might want to squirrel away some nukes for themselves. Any press-leakage is most assuredly <i>from them</i>, and not inadvertant.</p> <p>It might also serve to get the ISI to scramble a bit, maybe move nuke parts around, and that can provide additional intel to the forces planning the operation: vehicle types, locations, number of soldiers, etc.</p> <p>From our vantage point, it's pretty safe to say that there's almost no way to get an accurate picture of what's really going on or what they're planning.</p> I should also mention that there’s a certain amount of arrogance in the Special Forces. That is, they might actually really think “It doesn’t really matter if Pakistan knows we’re planning this, because we’ll get the nukes regardless.”

And to their credit, all the US Special Forces that might potentially be involved, and also those of other countries (especially Israel) would not be undue put upon to take out a small breakaway portion of the ISI that might want to squirrel away some nukes for themselves. Any press-leakage is most assuredly from them, and not inadvertant.

It might also serve to get the ISI to scramble a bit, maybe move nuke parts around, and that can provide additional intel to the forces planning the operation: vehicle types, locations, number of soldiers, etc.

From our vantage point, it’s pretty safe to say that there’s almost no way to get an accurate picture of what’s really going on or what they’re planning.

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-158405 Salil Maniktahla Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:15:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-158405 <p>No one's really remarked on the "Rainbow Six" aspect of all this that Abhi brought up--that this is an acknowledged <b>international</b> special ops mission plan, which is a very recent development in the world of Spec Ops. This kind of thing has been going on for maybe a few years within NATO, but it's interesting that it's actually out in the open now, and possibly involving non-NATO nations' special forces.</p> <p>I wonder how much Tom Clancy's books (and games) had to do with that public acknowledgement?</p> <p>By the way, Rainbox Six Vegas for XBox totally freakin' rocks. :-)</p> No one’s really remarked on the “Rainbow Six” aspect of all this that Abhi brought up–that this is an acknowledged international special ops mission plan, which is a very recent development in the world of Spec Ops. This kind of thing has been going on for maybe a few years within NATO, but it’s interesting that it’s actually out in the open now, and possibly involving non-NATO nations’ special forces.

I wonder how much Tom Clancy’s books (and games) had to do with that public acknowledgement?

By the way, Rainbox Six Vegas for XBox totally freakin’ rocks. :-)

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By: Ritam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157999 Ritam Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:40:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157999 <h1>22: Hahahahhaha</h1> <p>And by the time a "leak" such as this is announced on CNN or SM, I'm sure the nukes have long since been relocated.</p> 22: Hahahahhaha

And by the time a “leak” such as this is announced on CNN or SM, I’m sure the nukes have long since been relocated.

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By: ShallowThinker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157958 ShallowThinker Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:28:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157958 <p>These articles confuse me too. Why would they report on these sensitive topics? It is either BS or not that big a deal. This article may as well said:</p> <p>"The Pentagon plans on sneaking CIA operatives into pakistan by disgusing them with handle bar mustaches and then have them apply for a job as a janitor, where the nukes are and then in the middle of their shift they will unplug the nukes. This will most likely occur in a weak or so."</p> These articles confuse me too. Why would they report on these sensitive topics? It is either BS or not that big a deal. This article may as well said:

“The Pentagon plans on sneaking CIA operatives into pakistan by disgusing them with handle bar mustaches and then have them apply for a job as a janitor, where the nukes are and then in the middle of their shift they will unplug the nukes. This will most likely occur in a weak or so.”

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By: Kesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157954 Kesh Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:57:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157954 <blockquote>if this is leaked can't you assume that the 'bad guys' already know? i mean, you're sitting here reading a blog on south asian culture, news and politics. the 'bad guys' are professionally trying to figure this stuff and have contacts much closer than you (unfortunately). the internet is a big place, and it isn't hard to find stuff. i think the repeated hand-wringing over media leaks is pretty irrelevant, if the info can be found on CNN.COM and make it down the food chain to SM, one assumes that it isn't that sensitive anymore (i.e, it was widely known in the enemy camp, or changes are already being made and the leaking is simply part of a obscuring campaign to misinform</blockquote> <p>Razib, buddy. I was talking about the <b>Intelligence leaks </b>and American media such as CNN Publishing them, SM (and every other blog)has every right to blog on topics that it find from worthy sources. My point is that even if major news channels get information of such sensitive nature I think it should refrain from reporting them for International secutiy purposes</p> if this is leaked can’t you assume that the ‘bad guys’ already know? i mean, you’re sitting here reading a blog on south asian culture, news and politics. the ‘bad guys’ are professionally trying to figure this stuff and have contacts much closer than you (unfortunately). the internet is a big place, and it isn’t hard to find stuff. i think the repeated hand-wringing over media leaks is pretty irrelevant, if the info can be found on CNN.COM and make it down the food chain to SM, one assumes that it isn’t that sensitive anymore (i.e, it was widely known in the enemy camp, or changes are already being made and the leaking is simply part of a obscuring campaign to misinform

Razib, buddy. I was talking about the Intelligence leaks and American media such as CNN Publishing them, SM (and every other blog)has every right to blog on topics that it find from worthy sources. My point is that even if major news channels get information of such sensitive nature I think it should refrain from reporting them for International secutiy purposes

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157942 Samir Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:10:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157942 <p>The problem with any such action will be that odd nuclear core that didn't get secured or slipped out.</p> <p>The Peacemaker Thomas Devoe: Okay, that does me no good. Now let's deal with the facts at hand. 23 hours ago, General Alexander Kodoroff stole ten nuclear warheads. Julia Kelly: He's just a delivery boy. I'm not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear weapons, Colonel. I'm terrified of the man who only wants one.</p> The problem with any such action will be that odd nuclear core that didn’t get secured or slipped out.

The Peacemaker Thomas Devoe: Okay, that does me no good. Now let’s deal with the facts at hand. 23 hours ago, General Alexander Kodoroff stole ten nuclear warheads. Julia Kelly: He’s just a delivery boy. I’m not afraid of the man who wants ten nuclear weapons, Colonel. I’m terrified of the man who only wants one.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157931 Rajesh Harricharan Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:52:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157931 <p>http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/corporal/welcome.html. The Corporal was another field artlliary nule that came into existence during the early 1950's and was deployed in Germany. I knew a crewman on one of these batteries ( nice old guy died of lung cancer).</p> http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/corporal/welcome.html. The Corporal was another field artlliary nule that came into existence during the early 1950′s and was deployed in Germany. I knew a crewman on one of these batteries ( nice old guy died of lung cancer).

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157927 Samir Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:06:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157927 <blockquote>I believe India stated they do the same, too. Keeping fully assembled nuclear weapons is an expensive and risky maneuver, especially if you don't have enough in quantity or they're not well protected (both are expensive to do).</blockquote> <p>Here is a description of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Command_Authority_%28India%29#The_anatomy_of_nuclear_attack">stages</a> in an Indian nuclear attack</p> I believe India stated they do the same, too. Keeping fully assembled nuclear weapons is an expensive and risky maneuver, especially if you don’t have enough in quantity or they’re not well protected (both are expensive to do).

Here is a description of the stages in an Indian nuclear attack

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By: Shaad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157910 Shaad Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:56:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157910 <p>In light of what seems to be passing for conventional wisdom nowadays -- Musharraf being the last bulwark against nukes in the hands of terrorists -- I'd also like to point out Manan Ahmed's recent <a href="http://icga.blogspot.com/2007/08/getting-pakistan-right-unpublished-op.html">commentary</a> in the <a href="http://icga.blogspot.com/">ICGA</a> blog.</p> In light of what seems to be passing for conventional wisdom nowadays — Musharraf being the last bulwark against nukes in the hands of terrorists — I’d also like to point out Manan Ahmed’s recent commentary in the ICGA blog.

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By: Shaad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/11/rainbow_six/comment-page-1/#comment-157906 Shaad Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:35:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4648#comment-157906 <p>Re: 12</p> <blockquote>I hate to sound like an idiot, but just what does one of these non-missile, non-aerial bomb type nukes look like? When I think of a nuke, I always imagine the vending machine-size thing James Bond defused in Octopussy or almost did in Goldfinger, but then again those were just movies.</blockquote> <p>The Wikipedia articles on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54">W54</a> and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29">M-388 Davy Crockett</a> should give you some idea. I think it's unlikely that either Pakistan or India have devices this small, but I'm a geneticist, not a nuclear physicist.</p> Re: 12

I hate to sound like an idiot, but just what does one of these non-missile, non-aerial bomb type nukes look like? When I think of a nuke, I always imagine the vending machine-size thing James Bond defused in Octopussy or almost did in Goldfinger, but then again those were just movies.

The Wikipedia articles on the W54 and the M-388 Davy Crockett should give you some idea. I think it’s unlikely that either Pakistan or India have devices this small, but I’m a geneticist, not a nuclear physicist.

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