Comments on: Deporting the Disabled http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Andy Smith http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157659 Andy Smith Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:48:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157659 <p>This is almost like the storyline of the movie, <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092690/">Born In East L.A</a>. Wow, amazing that something like this can happen in real life.</p> This is almost like the storyline of the movie, Born In East L.A. Wow, amazing that something like this can happen in real life.

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By: sic semper tyrannis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157651 sic semper tyrannis Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:32:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157651 <p>"I guess the moral of this story is, Lock up your vulnerable loved ones, lest they get “accidentally” deported"</p> <p>No, no, no! You got it all wrong, the moral is to tattoo serial numbers on those who are undesirables. This is to keep them safe from mistaken misclassification, of course.</p> “I guess the moral of this story is, Lock up your vulnerable loved ones, lest they get “accidentally” deported”

No, no, no! You got it all wrong, the moral is to tattoo serial numbers on those who are undesirables. This is to keep them safe from mistaken misclassification, of course.

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By: zazou http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157576 zazou Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:44:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157576 <p>Camille is correct on this- and here in SoCal ICE is doing similar things, as well. As for the "indigenous" population- again, the Californios/hildagos were the majority when the area went over to the US. There are a number of families here and throughout the Southwest who can truly say "the border crossed us, we didn't cross the border." I really have a problem with being asked for my papers, especially since I only carry my driver's license and not even that when I'm out walking around. If I really wanted to live in an id-card obsessed environment, I'd go back to Europe tomorrow. But to get back to the probalem of assumed identity- fun little story- about 7 years back when ex and I were crossing the border by car, we got stopped and sent to secondary for inspection. When I got out to look at the sticker, I noticed the statement possible fake id. Now, mind you, ex looks sort of Mexicican but is actually Moroccan (there you go, Conditioner...). But think of it, what Mexican in their right mind would <b>pose as an Arab</b>? What, like he doesn't get enough grief being Mexican? Such is the stellar logic of the charming people who work so terribly hard trying to save us from ourselves.</p> Camille is correct on this- and here in SoCal ICE is doing similar things, as well. As for the “indigenous” population- again, the Californios/hildagos were the majority when the area went over to the US. There are a number of families here and throughout the Southwest who can truly say “the border crossed us, we didn’t cross the border.” I really have a problem with being asked for my papers, especially since I only carry my driver’s license and not even that when I’m out walking around. If I really wanted to live in an id-card obsessed environment, I’d go back to Europe tomorrow. But to get back to the probalem of assumed identity- fun little story- about 7 years back when ex and I were crossing the border by car, we got stopped and sent to secondary for inspection. When I got out to look at the sticker, I noticed the statement possible fake id. Now, mind you, ex looks sort of Mexicican but is actually Moroccan (there you go, Conditioner…). But think of it, what Mexican in their right mind would pose as an Arab? What, like he doesn’t get enough grief being Mexican? Such is the stellar logic of the charming people who work so terribly hard trying to save us from ourselves.

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By: Al_Chutiya_for_debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157462 Al_Chutiya_for_debauchery Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:52:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157462 <p>The burden of proof is on the US citizen as far as I understand. Birth records, witnesses, family registry or anything that can show that the person was born in the US. I know cases where people have been able to prove their birth on US soil by mere affidavits from witnesses.</p> The burden of proof is on the US citizen as far as I understand. Birth records, witnesses, family registry or anything that can show that the person was born in the US. I know cases where people have been able to prove their birth on US soil by mere affidavits from witnesses.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157459 Camille Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:48:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157459 <p>Thanks, Posterity :) Although I do echo Ennis on this one -- SM is not progressive; they cover a wide variety of topics, and the political perspectives differ, as does the commentary. I think the only unifying factor, actually, is that generally the theme is that it's South Asian American-oriented. :)</p> <p>zazou, a resounding, "thank you!" I should qualify, though, and say that I don't think the Central Valley or Bay is dramatically better on how it treats Latinos and Latino immigrants, save for possibly the western side of the east Bay + SF. While ICE probably won't stop you on the BART, they've raiding Latino homes and neighborhoods for months now -- they show up in the middle of the night, and if you cannot produce papers on demand (or do not let them enter your house), they arrest you and keep you in holding. And, from what I've heard (and this may not be legally correct), the onus is on the arrested to prove they're a citizen. Honestly, it sounds like a police-state, to me.</p> <p>I forgot to mention, in my long explanation, that California is also unique in that it has a large <i>indigenous</i> Latino population -- i.e. the <i>Californios</i>, people who've been around since pre-/post-Mexican American War and California's induction into the union. All our big cities are named in Spanish, and yet there is this vicious, anti-Latino sentiment that lumps all Latinos together as "Mexicans" (used at best as an ignorant generalization, and at worst as a slur).</p> Thanks, Posterity :) Although I do echo Ennis on this one — SM is not progressive; they cover a wide variety of topics, and the political perspectives differ, as does the commentary. I think the only unifying factor, actually, is that generally the theme is that it’s South Asian American-oriented. :)

zazou, a resounding, “thank you!” I should qualify, though, and say that I don’t think the Central Valley or Bay is dramatically better on how it treats Latinos and Latino immigrants, save for possibly the western side of the east Bay + SF. While ICE probably won’t stop you on the BART, they’ve raiding Latino homes and neighborhoods for months now — they show up in the middle of the night, and if you cannot produce papers on demand (or do not let them enter your house), they arrest you and keep you in holding. And, from what I’ve heard (and this may not be legally correct), the onus is on the arrested to prove they’re a citizen. Honestly, it sounds like a police-state, to me.

I forgot to mention, in my long explanation, that California is also unique in that it has a large indigenous Latino population — i.e. the Californios, people who’ve been around since pre-/post-Mexican American War and California’s induction into the union. All our big cities are named in Spanish, and yet there is this vicious, anti-Latino sentiment that lumps all Latinos together as “Mexicans” (used at best as an ignorant generalization, and at worst as a slur).

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By: sarah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157454 sarah Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:39:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157454 <blockquote> overzealous police or whoever, are perfectly capable of making your life miserable because of a perceived immigration status.</blockquote> <p>Absolutely... and not just the police, but neighbors as well. In Hazleton there are lots of reports of white neighbors calling police or ICE on their brown neighbors, assuming that brown = illegal. Sometimes they are, sometimes they're legal, and sometimes annoyed Puerto Ricans have to explain once again that they are US citizens. The point is that anyone with brown skin or a perceived Latino identity gets harassed by the authorities and by their neighbors. I think it's less about punishing landlords than it is about creating an atmosphere so hostile to Latinos of any kind that people just move out rather than deal with it-- and then Hazleton gets to be lily-white again just like the 'good old days'.</p> overzealous police or whoever, are perfectly capable of making your life miserable because of a perceived immigration status.

Absolutely… and not just the police, but neighbors as well. In Hazleton there are lots of reports of white neighbors calling police or ICE on their brown neighbors, assuming that brown = illegal. Sometimes they are, sometimes they’re legal, and sometimes annoyed Puerto Ricans have to explain once again that they are US citizens. The point is that anyone with brown skin or a perceived Latino identity gets harassed by the authorities and by their neighbors. I think it’s less about punishing landlords than it is about creating an atmosphere so hostile to Latinos of any kind that people just move out rather than deal with it– and then Hazleton gets to be lily-white again just like the ‘good old days’.

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By: zazou http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157448 zazou Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:16:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157448 <p>I agree with Ennis, in that the overarching idea is that overzealous police or whoever, are perfectly capable of making your life miserable because of a perceived immigration status. And Camille is absolutely right is saying that SoCal is by far more anti-immigrant, anti-brown than most areas of the US, in some very important ways. ICE, for example, in San Diego, can ride the trolley and ask for your papers. The Minutemen are harassing day laborers, legal and not. The police will stop you more often when you're brown just for being somewhere where they think brown people "don't seem right." (happened to a friend of mine." And No Child Left Behind? You think they're recruiting n La Jolla? No way- recruiters are targeting mostly Mexican neighborhood schools for their recruits.</p> I agree with Ennis, in that the overarching idea is that overzealous police or whoever, are perfectly capable of making your life miserable because of a perceived immigration status. And Camille is absolutely right is saying that SoCal is by far more anti-immigrant, anti-brown than most areas of the US, in some very important ways. ICE, for example, in San Diego, can ride the trolley and ask for your papers. The Minutemen are harassing day laborers, legal and not. The police will stop you more often when you’re brown just for being somewhere where they think brown people “don’t seem right.” (happened to a friend of mine.” And No Child Left Behind? You think they’re recruiting n La Jolla? No way- recruiters are targeting mostly Mexican neighborhood schools for their recruits.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157441 Ennis Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:16:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157441 <blockquote>There is something else that has been bothering me;this is a commendably progressive blog which has disappointingly been ambivalent about comrehensive immigration reform.</blockquote> <p>But we aren't a progressive blog in the least. We're a motley crew (unfortunately not a motley crue), a random assortment of people most of whom are far from ideologically consistent themselves. We don't try to stick to one ideological line or another. <a href="http://www.passtheroti.com/">Pass The Roti</a> is a progressive blog, we are a mutiny.</p> There is something else that has been bothering me;this is a commendably progressive blog which has disappointingly been ambivalent about comrehensive immigration reform.

But we aren’t a progressive blog in the least. We’re a motley crew (unfortunately not a motley crue), a random assortment of people most of whom are far from ideologically consistent themselves. We don’t try to stick to one ideological line or another. Pass The Roti is a progressive blog, we are a mutiny.

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By: Posterity http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157439 Posterity Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:13:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157439 <p>Thanks Camille. I have read your opinion on immigration elsewhere on this blog and you have a very sound understanding of it. There is nothing illegal about the Hispanic/Mexican immigration to the US. I'll explain it some other time. For now I just want to say to the misguided South Asians so smugly opposed to ' illegal ' immigration that the White people who are against it are hardly favorable towards ' legal ' immigration. They are working to reduce, not increase legal visas and in many cases even talking about a moratorium on any furure immigration ( which of course is non White ). I can promise you that if there were no Mexicans risking life and limb to come to America to make an honest living doing the thankless jobs that no American would touch and instead it were an Indian wave of English speaking technology immigrants, you'd see similar rancor from talk radio, Lou Dobbs, the conservative base e.t.c. Have you forgotten the anti H1B trash talk?</p> <p>There is something else that has been bothering me;this is a commendably progressive blog which has disappointingly been ambivalent about comrehensive immigration reform.</p> Thanks Camille. I have read your opinion on immigration elsewhere on this blog and you have a very sound understanding of it. There is nothing illegal about the Hispanic/Mexican immigration to the US. I’ll explain it some other time. For now I just want to say to the misguided South Asians so smugly opposed to ‘ illegal ‘ immigration that the White people who are against it are hardly favorable towards ‘ legal ‘ immigration. They are working to reduce, not increase legal visas and in many cases even talking about a moratorium on any furure immigration ( which of course is non White ). I can promise you that if there were no Mexicans risking life and limb to come to America to make an honest living doing the thankless jobs that no American would touch and instead it were an Indian wave of English speaking technology immigrants, you’d see similar rancor from talk radio, Lou Dobbs, the conservative base e.t.c. Have you forgotten the anti H1B trash talk?

There is something else that has been bothering me;this is a commendably progressive blog which has disappointingly been ambivalent about comrehensive immigration reform.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/08/deporting_the_d_1/comment-page-1/#comment-157438 Ennis Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:08:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4640#comment-157438 <blockquote>whats the south asian angle here?</blockquote> <p>It's pretty clear - this is a story that shows how easily mentally disabled immigrants (first or second gen) can get deported. ANNA told the story of Pedro, and then talked about how easily this could have happened to Mona.</p> <p>I've had my eye on this story ever since he was first deported but never got around to blogging it. It's firmly within our ambit.</p> whats the south asian angle here?

It’s pretty clear – this is a story that shows how easily mentally disabled immigrants (first or second gen) can get deported. ANNA told the story of Pedro, and then talked about how easily this could have happened to Mona.

I’ve had my eye on this story ever since he was first deported but never got around to blogging it. It’s firmly within our ambit.

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