Comments on: Obama on Pakistan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: travesti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-233291 travesti Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:41:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-233291 <p>travesti</p> travesti

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-164590 Ponniyin Selvan Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:40:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-164590 <p>looks like Edwards has joined the bandwagon on Pakistan..</p> <p><a href="http://www.observer.com/2007/edwards-national-security-obama-pakistan">....</p> <blockquote>While most of the speech, given at Pace University this afternoon, focused on the increased use of soft power to improve America's standing in the world, he specifically said "I want to be clear about one thing: if we have actionable intelligence about imminent activity and the Pakistan government refuses to act, we will."</blockquote> looks like Edwards has joined the bandwagon on Pakistan..

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While most of the speech, given at Pace University this afternoon, focused on the increased use of soft power to improve America’s standing in the world, he specifically said “I want to be clear about one thing: if we have actionable intelligence about imminent activity and the Pakistan government refuses to act, we will.”
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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-157138 cc Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:37:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-157138 <p>Ha! NOW you stops. CC wins again. Woo-hoo!</p> <p>I won twice, actually. First, I provoked you to answer me after you promised not to, and then when I made you see how asinine your ridiculous arguing tactics were, you realized you lost the battle and dropped out. First it's "good thing the PEOPLE didn't elect him", and then "don't you say the people decide who wins elections! It's the Electoral College! How could anyone say otherwise." Did you honestly believe you wouldn't be found out? Giving up when you're behind is very wise, uncharacteristically for you.</p> Ha! NOW you stops. CC wins again. Woo-hoo!

I won twice, actually. First, I provoked you to answer me after you promised not to, and then when I made you see how asinine your ridiculous arguing tactics were, you realized you lost the battle and dropped out. First it’s “good thing the PEOPLE didn’t elect him”, and then “don’t you say the people decide who wins elections! It’s the Electoral College! How could anyone say otherwise.” Did you honestly believe you wouldn’t be found out? Giving up when you’re behind is very wise, uncharacteristically for you.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156923 Rajesh Harricharan Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:13:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156923 <p>I agree there is government waste in all agencies including the DOD. I have seen it myself while I was in the Navy. I do not believe there is any Democrat interested since it is not in their interest because of being indebted to the unions. In the past ten years the Republicans were no better.</p> <p>This what happens toward the end of every fiscal year. If there is money left over in the budget for a unit or department there is a rush to spend what is left over. There is no incentive to save or carry over to the next fiscal year. I was told they have to this because they would not be able to justify more funds or the same from the congress if they do not use all.</p> I agree there is government waste in all agencies including the DOD. I have seen it myself while I was in the Navy. I do not believe there is any Democrat interested since it is not in their interest because of being indebted to the unions. In the past ten years the Republicans were no better.

This what happens toward the end of every fiscal year. If there is money left over in the budget for a unit or department there is a rush to spend what is left over. There is no incentive to save or carry over to the next fiscal year. I was told they have to this because they would not be able to justify more funds or the same from the congress if they do not use all.

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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156917 cc Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:03:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156917 <p>Oh, learn to read, you silly ass. I never once said presidents were put into office through the popular vote. I said the people elected Gore, but the system (electoral college) did not. How many posts do you need to read until this obviously made point sinks in?</p> <p>You, on the other hand, started by saying "You can thank God (figure of speech) that PEOPLE had the good sense not to elect algore." PEOPLE. As if presidents WERE elected only through the popular will. And then you go on and natter about the Electoral College and completely contradict what you first said. I was responding to your original statement which had NOT A THING to do with the Electoral College, genius (figure of speech). So I argued you on those terms, that YOU established. I mean, if you had any nuance in that cavity that's supposed to hold a brain, you would have noticed this contradiction of your own making.</p> <p>May I suggest "Dick and Jane at the Seashore?" Your reading comprehension ability is atrocious.</p> <p>How many more times are you going to reply, and then say "NOW, I'm ignoring you. NOW, I'm ignoring you."</p> Oh, learn to read, you silly ass. I never once said presidents were put into office through the popular vote. I said the people elected Gore, but the system (electoral college) did not. How many posts do you need to read until this obviously made point sinks in?

You, on the other hand, started by saying “You can thank God (figure of speech) that PEOPLE had the good sense not to elect algore.” PEOPLE. As if presidents WERE elected only through the popular will. And then you go on and natter about the Electoral College and completely contradict what you first said. I was responding to your original statement which had NOT A THING to do with the Electoral College, genius (figure of speech). So I argued you on those terms, that YOU established. I mean, if you had any nuance in that cavity that’s supposed to hold a brain, you would have noticed this contradiction of your own making.

May I suggest “Dick and Jane at the Seashore?” Your reading comprehension ability is atrocious.

How many more times are you going to reply, and then say “NOW, I’m ignoring you. NOW, I’m ignoring you.”

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156915 Pravin Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:01:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156915 <p>I think SM should have a generic politics blog entry which is open all the time so people like Rajesh and I can have indepth discussions without going off topic.</p> I think SM should have a generic politics blog entry which is open all the time so people like Rajesh and I can have indepth discussions without going off topic.

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By: Pravin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156910 Pravin Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:59:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156910 <p>Pravin, The EPA, D0Edu, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, should all be eliminated. Even Reagan cout not do it because the Congress would not defund them.</p> <p>I am indifferent to the NEA. Even if I do not care for it, it does not really suck up that much money for me to even discuss it. There is a lot of waste in government. And yes. that includes the defense sector. Yet all I hear from conservatives is the usual targets. If one is concerned about waste, you must be willing to cut pork everywhere.</p> <p>The EPA: Do you think private companies have an incentive to follow good environmental policies? And do you think if everything is left upto the states, you won't have one state that doesn't give a shit about the environment luring industries away from other states? Yet the water is shared between states. Air is not localized. Do you really want a Delhi type situation in the US? If you have problems with the EPA, the problem is not to scrap it, but to reform it. I think one clever thing Reaganites do is make all agencies so bad that the public will clamor to get rid of them. EPA is not a one issue agency.</p> <p>I do think the Democrats pander to government employees. There should be a middle ground somewhere. And Gore, who you think is evil, had making government agencies more efficient as one of his goals when he was VP. From what I read, he did not get all the cooperation he needed at the time from the administration. I am not 100% sure about this though.</p> Pravin, The EPA, D0Edu, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, should all be eliminated. Even Reagan cout not do it because the Congress would not defund them.

I am indifferent to the NEA. Even if I do not care for it, it does not really suck up that much money for me to even discuss it. There is a lot of waste in government. And yes. that includes the defense sector. Yet all I hear from conservatives is the usual targets. If one is concerned about waste, you must be willing to cut pork everywhere.

The EPA: Do you think private companies have an incentive to follow good environmental policies? And do you think if everything is left upto the states, you won’t have one state that doesn’t give a shit about the environment luring industries away from other states? Yet the water is shared between states. Air is not localized. Do you really want a Delhi type situation in the US? If you have problems with the EPA, the problem is not to scrap it, but to reform it. I think one clever thing Reaganites do is make all agencies so bad that the public will clamor to get rid of them. EPA is not a one issue agency.

I do think the Democrats pander to government employees. There should be a middle ground somewhere. And Gore, who you think is evil, had making government agencies more efficient as one of his goals when he was VP. From what I read, he did not get all the cooperation he needed at the time from the administration. I am not 100% sure about this though.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156905 Rajesh Harricharan Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:46:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156905 <p><b>Pravin</b>, The EPA, D0Edu, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, should all be eliminated. Even Reagan cout not do it because the Congress would not defund them.</p> <p>Anyone who listens to the likes of Gary Hart or is against the war in Iraq cannot be taken seriously.</p> Pravin, The EPA, D0Edu, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, should all be eliminated. Even Reagan cout not do it because the Congress would not defund them.

Anyone who listens to the likes of Gary Hart or is against the war in Iraq cannot be taken seriously.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156901 Rajesh Harricharan Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:37:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156901 <p><b>cc,</b> You expose your lack of knowlege of how the American 'system' of government works. We do not elect presidents by numbers alone as that would be mob-rule. We do not live in a Democracy but a Republic. Check it out.</p> <p>I do not have the patience to tutor you, nor is this the place for that. Might I suggest you take a very basic college course Pol.101 American National Government.</p> <p>A canidate who can not carry his own state will not win an election.</p> <p>If you spend any time on moveon.org or the daily kos you will continue to live in darkness.</p> cc, You expose your lack of knowlege of how the American ‘system’ of government works. We do not elect presidents by numbers alone as that would be mob-rule. We do not live in a Democracy but a Republic. Check it out.

I do not have the patience to tutor you, nor is this the place for that. Might I suggest you take a very basic college course Pol.101 American National Government.

A canidate who can not carry his own state will not win an election.

If you spend any time on moveon.org or the daily kos you will continue to live in darkness.

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By: cc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/08/01/obama_on_pakist_1/comment-page-3/#comment-156890 cc Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:59:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4620#comment-156890 <p>Funny. I looked up both "Electoral College" and "United States Electoral College" on Wikipedia, and throughout both articles the word "system" is used multiple times in describing it.</p> <p>Do you even know what the word "system" means? It's a very basic word. Which must be why you don't know it.</p> <p>Nope, moveon.org didn't participate in the vote counting. But the right-wing Wall Street Journal did. They were one of eight major news organizations who formed the National Opinion Research Center, and found that there were more votes cast for Gore statewide than there were for Bush.</p> <p>So, the people did vote for Gore. Both the American people and the Floridians. Sorry. Deny all you want, but that only makes you a liar.</p> <p>I can understand why you won't answer me, though. You can't lose an argument you don't participate in. And wow, did you LOSE! It's wise of you not to expose your galaxy-wise gaps of knowledge any further.</p> Funny. I looked up both “Electoral College” and “United States Electoral College” on Wikipedia, and throughout both articles the word “system” is used multiple times in describing it.

Do you even know what the word “system” means? It’s a very basic word. Which must be why you don’t know it.

Nope, moveon.org didn’t participate in the vote counting. But the right-wing Wall Street Journal did. They were one of eight major news organizations who formed the National Opinion Research Center, and found that there were more votes cast for Gore statewide than there were for Bush.

So, the people did vote for Gore. Both the American people and the Floridians. Sorry. Deny all you want, but that only makes you a liar.

I can understand why you won’t answer me, though. You can’t lose an argument you don’t participate in. And wow, did you LOSE! It’s wise of you not to expose your galaxy-wise gaps of knowledge any further.

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