Comments on: Hyperwhite or Ultrabrown? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: sindoodoo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-157631 sindoodoo Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:37:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-157631 <p>Ok ennis, I went to a geek high school in New York City too-- fess up, which one was it? Hunter/Stuy/B.Tech/Bx.Sci.?</p> Ok ennis, I went to a geek high school in New York City too– fess up, which one was it? Hunter/Stuy/B.Tech/Bx.Sci.?

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156198 Rajesh Harricharan Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:38:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156198 <p>Isn't jingoistic the pinko word for patriots?</p> Isn’t jingoistic the pinko word for patriots?

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156196 Rajesh Harricharan Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:35:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156196 <p><b>GB,</b>, You are right. I am retired Navy but I do keep in touch with the actve duty guys, most in Iraq and Afganistan, Marines, Navy, and Army. I have not disclosed any secrets in my postings. <b>portmantheau</b> When you call me a jingostic gun-toting hyper-reactionary, all I can say to that is thank you.</p> GB,, You are right. I am retired Navy but I do keep in touch with the actve duty guys, most in Iraq and Afganistan, Marines, Navy, and Army. I have not disclosed any secrets in my postings. portmantheau When you call me a jingostic gun-toting hyper-reactionary, all I can say to that is thank you.

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By: Puliogre in da USA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156152 Puliogre in da USA Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:32:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156152 <p>he is a troll....nothing more. nothing less...</p> he is a troll….nothing more. nothing less…

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By: GB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156151 GB Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:27:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156151 <blockquote>. . .a jingoistic, gun-toting hyper-reactionary? SM-ers I apologize for the ad-hominem nature of this remark, but it. . .</blockquote> <p>Spare your breath, <b>portmanteau</b>. I rather suspect that R. Harricharan will take your remark as a compliment ;-) . (Unless the gun-toting thing is a pose. Some of the disclosures that he "reluctantly" makes on the Obama-Pak thread suggests that either his Navy days are well behind him, or he is Mr. Loose Lips.)</p> . . .a jingoistic, gun-toting hyper-reactionary? SM-ers I apologize for the ad-hominem nature of this remark, but it. . .

Spare your breath, portmanteau. I rather suspect that R. Harricharan will take your remark as a compliment ;-) . (Unless the gun-toting thing is a pose. Some of the disclosures that he “reluctantly” makes on the Obama-Pak thread suggests that either his Navy days are well behind him, or he is Mr. Loose Lips.)

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By: dilettante http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156147 dilettante Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:08:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156147 <blockquote>Whatever your wishes may be the idea of RACE is not an an idea but a Biological fact.</blockquote> <p>Eiether way- if it is, or isn't, why does it matter in a modern, liberal democracy like the USA? Is your concern that the <b>Jim Crow </b>laws may be reenacted and 'the white people' won't recognize that you are a <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004531.html#comment147442">first class citizen </a>because of your skin?</p> <p>Honesty I'm curious. How do you think your life will change if everyone "embraces" Indians as caucasian- what will that do for you? It's obvious from your comments you are not involved in medical/pharmacology research, nor even a <em>creditable poser</em>,what's up?</p> Whatever your wishes may be the idea of RACE is not an an idea but a Biological fact.

Eiether way- if it is, or isn’t, why does it matter in a modern, liberal democracy like the USA? Is your concern that the Jim Crow laws may be reenacted and ‘the white people’ won’t recognize that you are a first class citizen because of your skin?

Honesty I’m curious. How do you think your life will change if everyone “embraces” Indians as caucasian- what will that do for you? It’s obvious from your comments you are not involved in medical/pharmacology research, nor even a creditable poser,what’s up?

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By: sarah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156141 sarah Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:21:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156141 <blockquote>Any 'modern' topic on race (and I have read) is polluted with opinon and political correctness and not based on science.</blockquote> <p>So then... modern science is all bunk, and at some undisclosed point (maybe around the time eugenics was discredited by the Shoah Holocaust) all scientists stopped doing science? Should we just turn back the clock, then? Maybe discard genetics in favor of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology">phrenology</a>?</p> Any ‘modern’ topic on race (and I have read) is polluted with opinon and political correctness and not based on science.

So then… modern science is all bunk, and at some undisclosed point (maybe around the time eugenics was discredited by the Shoah Holocaust) all scientists stopped doing science? Should we just turn back the clock, then? Maybe discard genetics in favor of phrenology?

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By: portmanteau http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156137 portmanteau Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:55:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156137 <blockquote>I did not attend public school in the US but a private Jessuit school overseas.</blockquote> <p>You know what the Jesuits (one might think of them as a variety <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Behaviorism">radical behaviorists</a>) say, "Give me the boy until he is seven and I will give you the man." Did they collaborate with the CIA in some sinister experiment at the height of the Cold War and put you in a bizarro <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinner#Air_crib">skinner</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_box">box</a> to produce a jingoistic, gun-toting hyper-reactionary?</p> <p>SM-ers I apologize for the ad-hominem nature of this remark, but it is precipitated by this gem:</p> <blockquote>Whatever your wishes may be the idea of RACE is not an an idea but a Biological fact.</blockquote> <p>Your 8th grade biology teacher seems to have a twisted sense of humor. Hopefully, she at least denied the existence of the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and the Loch Ness monster. I suggest that you go read a few 'modern' genetics and<br /> biological anthropology texts. I would make some recommendations but..</p> <blockquote>I never had much patience as a teacher. Do the research yoursel[f].</blockquote> I did not attend public school in the US but a private Jessuit school overseas.

You know what the Jesuits (one might think of them as a variety radical behaviorists) say, “Give me the boy until he is seven and I will give you the man.” Did they collaborate with the CIA in some sinister experiment at the height of the Cold War and put you in a bizarro skinner box to produce a jingoistic, gun-toting hyper-reactionary?

SM-ers I apologize for the ad-hominem nature of this remark, but it is precipitated by this gem:

Whatever your wishes may be the idea of RACE is not an an idea but a Biological fact.

Your 8th grade biology teacher seems to have a twisted sense of humor. Hopefully, she at least denied the existence of the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and the Loch Ness monster. I suggest that you go read a few ‘modern’ genetics and
biological anthropology texts. I would make some recommendations but..

I never had much patience as a teacher. Do the research yoursel[f].
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By: GB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156126 GB Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:03:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156126 <blockquote>GB, Australoid comes under Negroid.</blockquote> <p>Oh yeah ? Where did you learn that ?? My best friend -- who went to a Presbytarian school overseas -- learnt in 8th-grade biology that there are <i>four</i> races!!!</p> <p>Somewhat less flippantly, contrast this from <b>#96</b>:</p> <blockquote>Race is more than physical appearance and skin color (although these are some features) Race has to do with blood and genetics. There are certain diseases that are race specific eg. Cystic Fibrosis and Tay Sachs.</blockquote> <p>with this from <b>#95</b></p> <blockquote>Furthermore, we haven't heard of any bioinformatic studies that establish even a moderate correlation between the nature of a closely-acting complex (<b>as opposed to a few genes that determine, say, sickle-cell anaemia</b>) of non-physique-related genes and racial type.</blockquote> <p>(emphasis mine) In other words, <b>Rajesh</b>, your #96 does not convey anything beyond what everybody knows (apart from the somewhat interesting disclosure that your 8th-grade biology textbooks seem to be stuck in the era of T.E. Lawrence and J.G. Frazer). I sympathise with you that you have no patience as a teacher. But you are not off the hook until you explain to us, without any hand-waving arguments, the <i>biological</i> basis for the categorization implicit in the statement: "The Bushman is different in physical statue and appearance than the Massai but they belong to the same race."</p> GB, Australoid comes under Negroid.

Oh yeah ? Where did you learn that ?? My best friend — who went to a Presbytarian school overseas — learnt in 8th-grade biology that there are four races!!!

Somewhat less flippantly, contrast this from #96:

Race is more than physical appearance and skin color (although these are some features) Race has to do with blood and genetics. There are certain diseases that are race specific eg. Cystic Fibrosis and Tay Sachs.

with this from #95

Furthermore, we haven’t heard of any bioinformatic studies that establish even a moderate correlation between the nature of a closely-acting complex (as opposed to a few genes that determine, say, sickle-cell anaemia) of non-physique-related genes and racial type.

(emphasis mine) In other words, Rajesh, your #96 does not convey anything beyond what everybody knows (apart from the somewhat interesting disclosure that your 8th-grade biology textbooks seem to be stuck in the era of T.E. Lawrence and J.G. Frazer). I sympathise with you that you have no patience as a teacher. But you are not off the hook until you explain to us, without any hand-waving arguments, the biological basis for the categorization implicit in the statement: “The Bushman is different in physical statue and appearance than the Massai but they belong to the same race.”

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/30/hyperwhite_or_u/comment-page-3/#comment-156125 Rahul Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:54:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4611#comment-156125 <blockquote>There are only three races, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004620.html#comment156121">America is the strongest country in the world right now</a>. So, Caucasoids must be The Amazing Race.</p> There are only three races, Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid.

America is the strongest country in the world right now. So, Caucasoids must be The Amazing Race.

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