Comments on: Realpolitik with Burma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Valmiki the Younger http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-2/#comment-169801 Valmiki the Younger Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:50:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-169801 <p>India is currently encircled by military or oppressive regimes and has not mustered sufficient strength to withstand a conflict with China over the Burmese natural gas. India should bide it's time but stop selling arms to the military junta.</p> India is currently encircled by military or oppressive regimes and has not mustered sufficient strength to withstand a conflict with China over the Burmese natural gas. India should bide it’s time but stop selling arms to the military junta.

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By: fsowalla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-153354 fsowalla Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:28:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-153354 <p>India has lost the chance for a gas deal with Burma. The <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/story/207608.html">bureaucratic bickering has already started</a>. This is what casting a blind eye towards human rights gets India?</p> <p>There's a difference between imposing democracy and supporting a junta that has and will abuse its populace.</p> <p>Even if you think India writ large is not responsible, then what values do individual Indian citizens, quick to claim the title of "world's largest democracy", stand for?</p> India has lost the chance for a gas deal with Burma. The bureaucratic bickering has already started. This is what casting a blind eye towards human rights gets India?

There’s a difference between imposing democracy and supporting a junta that has and will abuse its populace.

Even if you think India writ large is not responsible, then what values do individual Indian citizens, quick to claim the title of “world’s largest democracy”, stand for?

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By: Hindustani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152706 Hindustani Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:03:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152706 <p>India is right to engage with Myanmar. India needs gas (which it does not have, Myanmar has gas). Plus Myanmar has not taken an antagonistic attitude towards India yet, unlike neighbours like Pakistan, Bangladesh. So if India can engage with Musharaff (the person behind Kargil) then it can certainly talk to Myanmar junta. I, for one, firmly believe that democracy can never be imposed from outside. It should come from within Myanmar in due time. In the meantime, India should play footsie with Myanmar for 1) gas 2) myanmar's help in controlling terrorism in North east 3) to slowly wean away Myanmar from being a virtual satellite of Beijing 4) make better road connections through Myanmar so as to connect India's remote North east to Thailand, Malaysia,Singapore so that economy of North east get better linked with these strong South East Asian economies. Economic growth/development will in turn slowly reduce terrorism and alienation of people in India's North East.</p> India is right to engage with Myanmar. India needs gas (which it does not have, Myanmar has gas). Plus Myanmar has not taken an antagonistic attitude towards India yet, unlike neighbours like Pakistan, Bangladesh. So if India can engage with Musharaff (the person behind Kargil) then it can certainly talk to Myanmar junta. I, for one, firmly believe that democracy can never be imposed from outside. It should come from within Myanmar in due time. In the meantime, India should play footsie with Myanmar for 1) gas 2) myanmar’s help in controlling terrorism in North east 3) to slowly wean away Myanmar from being a virtual satellite of Beijing 4) make better road connections through Myanmar so as to connect India’s remote North east to Thailand, Malaysia,Singapore so that economy of North east get better linked with these strong South East Asian economies. Economic growth/development will in turn slowly reduce terrorism and alienation of people in India’s North East.

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By: Anil Rao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152073 Anil Rao Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:49:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152073 <p>India is not and shouldn’t be the global police of democracy. If India intends to sell arms (if that is the case) then I my opinion they are free to do that. Lets see what the father figures of democracy are doing ,French and its EU friends were itching cell to more sophisticated arms to china, USA is doing the same with Pakistan(F-16 etc), UK’s has the worst record and its recent sale of advance fighter training aircrafts to Saudi Arabia(and the corruption involved in that deal with Saudi royals).what is India in this context?</p> <p>India is not a permanent member of UN security council, it lost the election of its nominee for UN general secretary’s post, not a member of G-8, not a member of IMF’s elite panel(India lost its election here), it is still struggling to get a fair deal to its farmers in WTO fighting USA and EU against their brutal farm subsidies, its not a member of OPEC, its not a member of OIC(Organization of Islamic countries).India has every right to try to gain influence in its self interests. India requires energy from Myanmar, India has its interests with them in the fight against north-east terrorists and countering Chain’s vested interests in this country. Why and on what basis India should show this unnecessary responsibility towards ‘Myanmar’ at the cost of its own self interests.</p> India is not and shouldn’t be the global police of democracy. If India intends to sell arms (if that is the case) then I my opinion they are free to do that. Lets see what the father figures of democracy are doing ,French and its EU friends were itching cell to more sophisticated arms to china, USA is doing the same with Pakistan(F-16 etc), UK’s has the worst record and its recent sale of advance fighter training aircrafts to Saudi Arabia(and the corruption involved in that deal with Saudi royals).what is India in this context?

India is not a permanent member of UN security council, it lost the election of its nominee for UN general secretary’s post, not a member of G-8, not a member of IMF’s elite panel(India lost its election here), it is still struggling to get a fair deal to its farmers in WTO fighting USA and EU against their brutal farm subsidies, its not a member of OPEC, its not a member of OIC(Organization of Islamic countries).India has every right to try to gain influence in its self interests. India requires energy from Myanmar, India has its interests with them in the fight against north-east terrorists and countering Chain’s vested interests in this country. Why and on what basis India should show this unnecessary responsibility towards ‘Myanmar’ at the cost of its own self interests.

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By: Anil Rao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152072 Anil Rao Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:47:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152072 <p>that is the case) then I my opinion they are free to do that. Lets see what the father figures of democracy are doing ,French and its EU friends were itching cell to more sophisticated arms to china, USA is doing the same with Pakistan(F-16 etc), UK’s has the worst record and its recent sale of advance fighter training aircrafts to Saudi Arabia(and the corruption involved in that deal with Saudi royals).what is India's role in thye world affirs?</p> <p>India is not a permanent member of UN security council, it lost the election of its nominee for UN general secretary’s post, not a member of G-8, not a member of IMF’s elite panel(India lost its election here), it is still struggling to get a fair deal to its farmers in WTO fighting USA and EU against their brutal farm subsidies, its not a member of OPEC, its not a member of OIC(Organization of Islamic countries).India has every right to try to gain influence in its self interests. India requires energy from Myanmar, India has its interests with them in the fight against north-east terrorists and countering Chain’s vested interests in this country. Why and on what basis India should show this unnecessary responsibility towards ‘Myanmar’ at the cost of its own self interests.</p> that is the case) then I my opinion they are free to do that. Lets see what the father figures of democracy are doing ,French and its EU friends were itching cell to more sophisticated arms to china, USA is doing the same with Pakistan(F-16 etc), UK’s has the worst record and its recent sale of advance fighter training aircrafts to Saudi Arabia(and the corruption involved in that deal with Saudi royals).what is India’s role in thye world affirs?

India is not a permanent member of UN security council, it lost the election of its nominee for UN general secretary’s post, not a member of G-8, not a member of IMF’s elite panel(India lost its election here), it is still struggling to get a fair deal to its farmers in WTO fighting USA and EU against their brutal farm subsidies, its not a member of OPEC, its not a member of OIC(Organization of Islamic countries).India has every right to try to gain influence in its self interests. India requires energy from Myanmar, India has its interests with them in the fight against north-east terrorists and countering Chain’s vested interests in this country. Why and on what basis India should show this unnecessary responsibility towards ‘Myanmar’ at the cost of its own self interests.

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By: fsowalla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152070 fsowalla Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:42:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152070 <p>Ennis, the natural gas issue is secondary to the Indian desire to somehow contain China. Even if there were a gas deal made, there remain immense logistical challenges in getting the gas back to "mainland" India.</p> <p>The articles spell out the issues fairly well. Let's look at it this way -- given the SPDC's track record and China's overwhelming advantage already in Burma, increasing military cooperation is an odd way of improving relations. Why not spend real money developing real roads and infrastructure to increase trade with Burma rather than simple lip-service and habitually closed border posts?</p> <p>Rajesh -- I don't know how I can make my questions to you any clearer. Thanks for your nationalism and overbroad generalizations, though.</p> Ennis, the natural gas issue is secondary to the Indian desire to somehow contain China. Even if there were a gas deal made, there remain immense logistical challenges in getting the gas back to “mainland” India.

The articles spell out the issues fairly well. Let’s look at it this way — given the SPDC’s track record and China’s overwhelming advantage already in Burma, increasing military cooperation is an odd way of improving relations. Why not spend real money developing real roads and infrastructure to increase trade with Burma rather than simple lip-service and habitually closed border posts?

Rajesh — I don’t know how I can make my questions to you any clearer. Thanks for your nationalism and overbroad generalizations, though.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152060 Rajesh Harricharan Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:49:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152060 <p><b>fsowallah</b>, My last post addressed to <b>Ennis</b> was really a response to you. re#37</p> fsowallah, My last post addressed to Ennis was really a response to you. re#37

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152046 Rajesh Harricharan Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:26:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152046 <p>Thanks <b>Realist</b> those were good links.</p> Thanks Realist those were good links.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-152044 Rajesh Harricharan Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:21:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-152044 <p><b>Ennis</b>, I know about Iran before 1979. Jimmy Carter commited high treason by not supporting American interests and betraying the Shah, our friend and ally.</p> <p>Tell me that the Ayatollahs and Mullahs are beter for us or for Iran. The prime supporter of terror since 1979 has been Iran.</p> <p>I support how the Indian forces operate against terrorists on its frontiers, whether it be Kashmir, or Assam.</p> <p>I know well my history of the world. It does not subscribe to the re-written leftist version presently taught in most American colleges.</p> Ennis, I know about Iran before 1979. Jimmy Carter commited high treason by not supporting American interests and betraying the Shah, our friend and ally.

Tell me that the Ayatollahs and Mullahs are beter for us or for Iran. The prime supporter of terror since 1979 has been Iran.

I support how the Indian forces operate against terrorists on its frontiers, whether it be Kashmir, or Assam.

I know well my history of the world. It does not subscribe to the re-written leftist version presently taught in most American colleges.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/24/realpolitik_wit/comment-page-1/#comment-151932 Manish Vij Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:03:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4594#comment-151932 <p>India once <a href="http://www.ultrabrown.com/posts/the-pied-piper-of-mizoram">bombed its own citizens</a> (in Mizoram).</p> India once bombed its own citizens (in Mizoram).

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