Comments on: Laramie Redux? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Please http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-211854 Please Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:59:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-211854 <p><b>Please</b> stop saying "Russian" and call them Russians, they are not even that, both suspects don't even have Russian lastnames</p> Please stop saying “Russian” and call them Russians, they are not even that, both suspects don’t even have Russian lastnames

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By: Krish**** http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-160782 Krish**** Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:23:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-160782 <p>I don't know about the rest of you, but after I'm involved in a violent melee where I've knocked someone unconscious, nothing clears my head like a nice long business trip to the motherland.</p> I don’t know about the rest of you, but after I’m involved in a violent melee where I’ve knocked someone unconscious, nothing clears my head like a nice long business trip to the motherland.

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By: KB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-158766 KB Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:16:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-158766 <p>Sorry nano, that's not what happened.</p> Sorry nano, that’s not what happened.

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By: nano http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-158326 nano Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:42:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-158326 <p>I have a few words. Please don't get mad at me Im just telling everyone what was told to me by people who where there. A few months now has passed One person is currently in custody the other one ( the guy that threw the punch is in his home country (coward ran away). I have read almost all the Sacramento bee articles regarding this incident and they all tell the story of the relatives of Satendar Singh. Yes the person that actually hit the deserver's to go to jail for a long while but this was not a hate crime. This is the story of the people that where there i am not 100% correct but im sure that the Sacramento bee doesn't have the whole story they like to cut out parts and focus more on other's :). There where a few family's of Russian's (wait why am i calling the Russians they were from ..... Ukraine I believe ) they relaxing near lake natoma. They had there whole family children and all. Near them Satendar Singh has having a party with his realities friends, everything was ok until some of the people or person at the party/celebration threw a empty glass bottle near the others family. The glass bottle broke into peaces and the glass scattered near some of the younger children. When the guys went to confront the people/person who threw the bottle they were taunted cursed at and so on. It is said that Satendar Singh and his friends where drunk. (not 100% sure) Well from hear is when you hear the story from the news the people sent there family's away and well the fight happened where sadly Satendar Singh was punched falling unconsiance and hitting his head and dieing. Yes a person died and its sad. The guy that hit him should go to jail but this shouldn't be classified as a hate crime because the fight didnt start because Satendar Singh was gay but becasue they felt that the people endangered there family's and if you know any Russian (meaning all those Eastern Europeans or thats what Russian means these days) people if they fell threatened they will resort to violence.</p> <p>Also on a second thought i have heard that the church is being blamed for this. I know for a sure that the guy that committed this horrendous crime is not a member of any church in Sacramento. And that if someone from any church was in this situation they would simply leave.</p> I have a few words. Please don’t get mad at me Im just telling everyone what was told to me by people who where there. A few months now has passed One person is currently in custody the other one ( the guy that threw the punch is in his home country (coward ran away). I have read almost all the Sacramento bee articles regarding this incident and they all tell the story of the relatives of Satendar Singh. Yes the person that actually hit the deserver’s to go to jail for a long while but this was not a hate crime. This is the story of the people that where there i am not 100% correct but im sure that the Sacramento bee doesn’t have the whole story they like to cut out parts and focus more on other’s :) . There where a few family’s of Russian’s (wait why am i calling the Russians they were from ….. Ukraine I believe ) they relaxing near lake natoma. They had there whole family children and all. Near them Satendar Singh has having a party with his realities friends, everything was ok until some of the people or person at the party/celebration threw a empty glass bottle near the others family. The glass bottle broke into peaces and the glass scattered near some of the younger children. When the guys went to confront the people/person who threw the bottle they were taunted cursed at and so on. It is said that Satendar Singh and his friends where drunk. (not 100% sure) Well from hear is when you hear the story from the news the people sent there family’s away and well the fight happened where sadly Satendar Singh was punched falling unconsiance and hitting his head and dieing. Yes a person died and its sad. The guy that hit him should go to jail but this shouldn’t be classified as a hate crime because the fight didnt start because Satendar Singh was gay but becasue they felt that the people endangered there family’s and if you know any Russian (meaning all those Eastern Europeans or thats what Russian means these days) people if they fell threatened they will resort to violence.

Also on a second thought i have heard that the church is being blamed for this. I know for a sure that the guy that committed this horrendous crime is not a member of any church in Sacramento. And that if someone from any church was in this situation they would simply leave.

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By: KB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-157031 KB Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:27:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-157031 <p>Can't wait to go visit this guy in jail.</p> Can’t wait to go visit this guy in jail.

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By: Mark http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-156988 Mark Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:04:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-156988 <p>Breaking news: Suspect identified, 29 year old Andrey Vusik, has apparently fled the country.</p> <p>From the local newspaper, Sacramento Bee, www.sacbee.com</p> <p><b>Authorities say the man they're looking for has fled the country.</b></p> <p>A month after the death of Satender Singh on a river beach at Lake Natoma, Sacramento County Sheriff's detectives have identified the man who allegedly threw the lethal punch and then fled the country, officials confirmed Tuesday.</p> <p>http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/313268.html</p> Breaking news: Suspect identified, 29 year old Andrey Vusik, has apparently fled the country.

From the local newspaper, Sacramento Bee, http://www.sacbee.com

Authorities say the man they’re looking for has fled the country.

A month after the death of Satender Singh on a river beach at Lake Natoma, Sacramento County Sheriff’s detectives have identified the man who allegedly threw the lethal punch and then fled the country, officials confirmed Tuesday.

http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/313268.html

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By: Krish**** http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-156066 Krish**** Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:38:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-156066 <p>More than a month now...</p> More than a month now…

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By: Mark http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-154706 Mark Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:04:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-154706 <p>Today marks the 1 month anniversary of the murder of Satendar Singh. A good news/op ed piece ran in today's Sacramento Bee newspaper, page 1 Section B:</p> <p>Marcos Bretón: Evading law isn't Christian at sacbee.com (free subscription required) August 1, 2007 http://www.sacbee.com/breton/story/302389.html</p> <p>I have many questions also -</p> <p>Why did the story not get wider notice? It barely rippled in San Francisco, 80 miles away.</p> <p>Why have the criminals not been caught?</p> <p>If the group was in danger, why did they not leave? At least gather useful information for their case like photos, video (everyone has a cell phone these days) descriptions of people and cars, call the police.</p> <p>The park gate keeper was notified of the disturbance. Why did she/he not become more alert and at least make notes of the the vehicles and occupants leaving a potential crime scene?</p> <p>Why are the facts of the events not published? Descriptions and sketches of the criminals and events.</p> <p>Local groups are trying to get the word out.</p> <p>There was a public vigil held at the state capitol bulding.</p> <p>The gay community held a public diversity summit and formed a committee to follow up with local sheriffs and police.</p> <p>The Asian Pacific Islanders held a public meeting on the event.</p> <p>The local newpaper Sacramento Bee has run about 7 good articles and all the local tv stations have covered various aspects of the case.</p> <p>I don't know all the facts. Although we hope people can get descriptions and license numbers, when violence erupts panic and emotion can blind us. And I am not suprised the California DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) was no help, their computer incompetence is well known.</p> <p>Here is what I learned. Ignorance and hate still exist. We have to continue to look out for ourselves and others. When violence erupts we must be ready to defend ourselves by calling the police, fight or flight, documenting the incident with descriptions, photos, video, reporting the incident and not letting go of the incident.</p> <p>Sacramento, California has been called one of the most diverse and tolerant communities in the USA. We still have work to do to make this country a more perfect union.</p> <p>-Mark</p> Today marks the 1 month anniversary of the murder of Satendar Singh. A good news/op ed piece ran in today’s Sacramento Bee newspaper, page 1 Section B:

Marcos Bretón: Evading law isn’t Christian at sacbee.com (free subscription required) August 1, 2007 http://www.sacbee.com/breton/story/302389.html

I have many questions also -

Why did the story not get wider notice? It barely rippled in San Francisco, 80 miles away.

Why have the criminals not been caught?

If the group was in danger, why did they not leave? At least gather useful information for their case like photos, video (everyone has a cell phone these days) descriptions of people and cars, call the police.

The park gate keeper was notified of the disturbance. Why did she/he not become more alert and at least make notes of the the vehicles and occupants leaving a potential crime scene?

Why are the facts of the events not published? Descriptions and sketches of the criminals and events.

Local groups are trying to get the word out.

There was a public vigil held at the state capitol bulding.

The gay community held a public diversity summit and formed a committee to follow up with local sheriffs and police.

The Asian Pacific Islanders held a public meeting on the event.

The local newpaper Sacramento Bee has run about 7 good articles and all the local tv stations have covered various aspects of the case.

I don’t know all the facts. Although we hope people can get descriptions and license numbers, when violence erupts panic and emotion can blind us. And I am not suprised the California DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) was no help, their computer incompetence is well known.

Here is what I learned. Ignorance and hate still exist. We have to continue to look out for ourselves and others. When violence erupts we must be ready to defend ourselves by calling the police, fight or flight, documenting the incident with descriptions, photos, video, reporting the incident and not letting go of the incident.

Sacramento, California has been called one of the most diverse and tolerant communities in the USA. We still have work to do to make this country a more perfect union.

-Mark

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By: Inv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-153896 Inv Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:39:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-153896 <p>I believe an apology is due on my part. I wasn't aware that the police already had the information. In my rush to judgment, I made some foolish remarks. For this I sincerely apologize.</p> I believe an apology is due on my part. I wasn’t aware that the police already had the information. In my rush to judgment, I made some foolish remarks. For this I sincerely apologize.

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By: KB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/17/laramie_redux/comment-page-2/#comment-152681 KB Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:38:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4580#comment-152681 <p>Pravin, the group that later attacked Satendar was video taped earlier in the day. The police have pictures of the men and have the license plate numbers as well. His friends told the police everything they know. They were not cowards. It is just a matter of time before they are caught.</p> Pravin, the group that later attacked Satendar was video taped earlier in the day. The police have pictures of the men and have the license plate numbers as well. His friends told the police everything they know. They were not cowards. It is just a matter of time before they are caught.

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