Comments on: Feeling Sorry for the Sari [UPDATED] http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Shuba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-269772 Shuba Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:11:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-269772 <p>Hi I am Malaysian Indian and about to get married in June. I've a rather important decision to make and some of the questions I have remains unanswered..would you be able to help me out?</p> <p>Is it necessary for the bride to wear pattu saree on her wedding day? That kind of limits my choices. What if I find pattu less appealing and prefer a different material yet it would still look grand as any wedding saree? Is that unaceptable? Please help.</p> Hi I am Malaysian Indian and about to get married in June. I’ve a rather important decision to make and some of the questions I have remains unanswered..would you be able to help me out?

Is it necessary for the bride to wear pattu saree on her wedding day? That kind of limits my choices. What if I find pattu less appealing and prefer a different material yet it would still look grand as any wedding saree? Is that unaceptable? Please help.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-246628 boston_mahesh Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:20:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-246628 <p>I love saris. However, I have some problems with it: 1. The bottom will drag on the floor and get dirty. 2. Harder to clean. 3. Takes a longer time to put on. 4. How do you go to the toilet? Does it take 45 minutes to pee? 5. You can notice much more clearly when the girl perspires in her blouse</p> <p>Perhaps we should update the sari..</p> I love saris. However, I have some problems with it: 1. The bottom will drag on the floor and get dirty. 2. Harder to clean. 3. Takes a longer time to put on. 4. How do you go to the toilet? Does it take 45 minutes to pee? 5. You can notice much more clearly when the girl perspires in her blouse

Perhaps we should update the sari..

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By: Sushmita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-246615 Sushmita Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:11:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-246615 <p>I wish I saw this article before and commented on it 2 years earlier..</p> <p>Anyways. OK so Tharoor loves sarees and wants to see sarees everywhere . Nothing wrong with that. And he laments on the emergence of "western clothing" and salwar suits. Now I have something to say about the western clothing part. Pants for women shouln't be called western clothing. Rather it should be called modern clothing. Mind you even 80 years back western women wore something like this http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/20027580-r%20copy.jpg . They rode horses (dangerously) side-straddled(2 legs on one side). Then came the bicycles making things easier for transport those days and the long flowing gowns HAD to go. For the sake of times. The world wars made it obligated for women to work in factories(devoid of men as they went to war) and pants became more and more common. Now I am a housewife living in the outskirts of the city and have to ride a scooter for commuting(no bus-stops here). I have rode the scooter with saree once and had difficulty braking and was cautioned by fellow motorists how the pallu is getting dangerously closer to the rear wheel. Now even 80 years back there weren't scooters for Indian women. Neither did they have to commute long distances for necessities(the men did that and the closed village systems were self sufficient). So women here just gotta wear the pants and salwars. Its not exactly about rebelling or fashion. Lifestyles has changed a lot in the past 100 years. Modes of transport has changed a lot. There are machines(different forms) everywhere. Clothing had to adapt to it. I'm sure in another 100 years clothing is going to change even more suiting the lifestyle changes of the times then. Why even WITHIN our generation you see small changes not present 10 years back. Bags and Pants are having the ipod/mobile pockets. People couldn't have imagine that in early 90s really. Tharoor should have looked at the bigger picture before accusing the "young women" for abandoning the age-old attire. And theres no use of wearing a dhoti in the swearing-in ceremony[like he did] to make a point. It makes no sense.</p> I wish I saw this article before and commented on it 2 years earlier..

Anyways. OK so Tharoor loves sarees and wants to see sarees everywhere . Nothing wrong with that. And he laments on the emergence of “western clothing” and salwar suits. Now I have something to say about the western clothing part. Pants for women shouln’t be called western clothing. Rather it should be called modern clothing. Mind you even 80 years back western women wore something like this http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/20027580-r%20copy.jpg . They rode horses (dangerously) side-straddled(2 legs on one side). Then came the bicycles making things easier for transport those days and the long flowing gowns HAD to go. For the sake of times. The world wars made it obligated for women to work in factories(devoid of men as they went to war) and pants became more and more common. Now I am a housewife living in the outskirts of the city and have to ride a scooter for commuting(no bus-stops here). I have rode the scooter with saree once and had difficulty braking and was cautioned by fellow motorists how the pallu is getting dangerously closer to the rear wheel. Now even 80 years back there weren’t scooters for Indian women. Neither did they have to commute long distances for necessities(the men did that and the closed village systems were self sufficient). So women here just gotta wear the pants and salwars. Its not exactly about rebelling or fashion. Lifestyles has changed a lot in the past 100 years. Modes of transport has changed a lot. There are machines(different forms) everywhere. Clothing had to adapt to it. I’m sure in another 100 years clothing is going to change even more suiting the lifestyle changes of the times then. Why even WITHIN our generation you see small changes not present 10 years back. Bags and Pants are having the ipod/mobile pockets. People couldn’t have imagine that in early 90s really. Tharoor should have looked at the bigger picture before accusing the “young women” for abandoning the age-old attire. And theres no use of wearing a dhoti in the swearing-in ceremony[like he did] to make a point. It makes no sense.

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By: Suja http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-228145 Suja Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:37:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-228145 <p>Noticed this post under the "recent comments" tab, and I'm wondering if it is weird to comment on a 2 year old post? Anyhoo..</p> <p>As a career woman who's been living in India for the past 3 years, I just had to comment. Sarees are very much alive and kicking today, at least in the part of India I'm from (south India). Like someone said earlier, as little girls we couldn't wait to be old enough to wear sarees. I did my graduation in South India, where sarees are still considered formal wear. We wore sarees to our graduation party, and yes, the guys' faces were pretty much as Shaad said! :D</p> <p>I have to agree with Tharoor on this one, the saree suits <em>every</em> woman, of any size and shape, as any figure defect you have can be concealed by the saree. And you can drape it to be as revealing, (or not!) as you choose; the entire spectrum of styles from sexy to demure is open to you. C'mon, both film stars and nuns wear sarees, that's got to tell you something. Having said all this, I personally opt to wear sarees for special occasions only, (and stick to salwar kameezes for work), as I am not exactly an expert in wearing one, and I hate badly draped sarees. But my sister wears one to college and is as comfortable wearing a saree as anything else. Heck, I've even seen women in sarees riding bicycles! It's all about your personal comfort level and expertise.</p> <p>Side note: someone mentioned that it's indicative of our culture of repressed sexuality to "swathe women in yards of cloth", which conceal their figures, and mentioned salwars as a case in point. Dude! Have you <em>seen</em> said salwars? When you want to look hot, but can't be bothered with the baggage of a saree, there is nothing more sexy than a well cut, figure hugging salwar suit. I don't know how it is overseas- maybe you get less variety?- but in India, you get a rangee of styles for every occassion- casual, formal, can't-be-bothered, night out, yada yada yada, for <em>every</em> body type. (I'm starting to sound like a sales girl, amn't I? :)) For example, the sleeves of Anna's blouse in that picture is waaay out of fashion on this side of the ocean. (Sorry, Anna. Other than that, you look simply gorgeous :)) Anyone under 35 opts for itsy-bitsy sleeves, which are <em>just</em> on the right side of sleevelessness. At the risk of making sweeping generalizations, some of my N. Indian girl friends even opt for spaghetti straps!</p> <p>So, coming back on-topic after that sartorial outburst, I didn't find anything offensive at all in Tharoor's article. (except that bit about the Punjabi naming trends, WTF was that?) Give the poor guy a break, he was just indulging in a bit of nostalgia :) IMO, the saree'll never go out of style.</p> <p>Just my two cents..</p> Noticed this post under the “recent comments” tab, and I’m wondering if it is weird to comment on a 2 year old post? Anyhoo..

As a career woman who’s been living in India for the past 3 years, I just had to comment. Sarees are very much alive and kicking today, at least in the part of India I’m from (south India). Like someone said earlier, as little girls we couldn’t wait to be old enough to wear sarees. I did my graduation in South India, where sarees are still considered formal wear. We wore sarees to our graduation party, and yes, the guys’ faces were pretty much as Shaad said! :D

I have to agree with Tharoor on this one, the saree suits every woman, of any size and shape, as any figure defect you have can be concealed by the saree. And you can drape it to be as revealing, (or not!) as you choose; the entire spectrum of styles from sexy to demure is open to you. C’mon, both film stars and nuns wear sarees, that’s got to tell you something. Having said all this, I personally opt to wear sarees for special occasions only, (and stick to salwar kameezes for work), as I am not exactly an expert in wearing one, and I hate badly draped sarees. But my sister wears one to college and is as comfortable wearing a saree as anything else. Heck, I’ve even seen women in sarees riding bicycles! It’s all about your personal comfort level and expertise.

Side note: someone mentioned that it’s indicative of our culture of repressed sexuality to “swathe women in yards of cloth”, which conceal their figures, and mentioned salwars as a case in point. Dude! Have you seen said salwars? When you want to look hot, but can’t be bothered with the baggage of a saree, there is nothing more sexy than a well cut, figure hugging salwar suit. I don’t know how it is overseas- maybe you get less variety?- but in India, you get a rangee of styles for every occassion- casual, formal, can’t-be-bothered, night out, yada yada yada, for every body type. (I’m starting to sound like a sales girl, amn’t I? :) ) For example, the sleeves of Anna’s blouse in that picture is waaay out of fashion on this side of the ocean. (Sorry, Anna. Other than that, you look simply gorgeous :) ) Anyone under 35 opts for itsy-bitsy sleeves, which are just on the right side of sleevelessness. At the risk of making sweeping generalizations, some of my N. Indian girl friends even opt for spaghetti straps!

So, coming back on-topic after that sartorial outburst, I didn’t find anything offensive at all in Tharoor’s article. (except that bit about the Punjabi naming trends, WTF was that?) Give the poor guy a break, he was just indulging in a bit of nostalgia :) IMO, the saree’ll never go out of style.

Just my two cents..

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By: Delicia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-228040 Delicia Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:25:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-228040 <p>The Sari is a beautiful garment, along with the many other styles of Indian dress. The problem, the actual undertone of the article has nothing at all to do with fashion. The message is about the fact the WOMEN are choosing for themselves and deciding what is best for them. One can dare say that, the culture has been one of the last final frontiers. I agree that feminism, which per some men- has been blamed for every decision a woman makes without her male heirachy in mind), has nothing to do with it. If Feminism, means that a woman can choose for herself, what is best for herself...then, well...99% of all women would fall under this category. The times, they are not changing...They have CHANGED! Wear it! Don't wear it! Women determine their own code of beauty.</p> The Sari is a beautiful garment, along with the many other styles of Indian dress. The problem, the actual undertone of the article has nothing at all to do with fashion. The message is about the fact the WOMEN are choosing for themselves and deciding what is best for them. One can dare say that, the culture has been one of the last final frontiers. I agree that feminism, which per some men- has been blamed for every decision a woman makes without her male heirachy in mind), has nothing to do with it. If Feminism, means that a woman can choose for herself, what is best for herself…then, well…99% of all women would fall under this category. The times, they are not changing…They have CHANGED! Wear it! Don’t wear it! Women determine their own code of beauty.

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By: nworb http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-221431 nworb Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:07:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-221431 <p>Y is the author putting down north indians? So what if our men and women have unisex names? It's part of our religion to treat men and women equally hence the names. I could go on to say something about the looooonngggg last names south indians have but that has nothing to do with why salwar kameez is worn more than sarees. It's true salwar kameez is more practical and easier to handle then a saree. Saree takes practice. I agree the saree is beautiful and elegant but so is the salwar kameez and it is just as indian as the saree. India is a mix of a lot of cultures and not all of them have the saree as their traditional garment so stop trynna shove it down the entire india's throat. It offends me when people think that all the women in india should be wearing sarees. Y? Wear what you like, and what suits you.Heck I wear a saree once in a while too, but no one gets mad at me for abandoning the salwar kameez. I am not saying forget your traditions but the saree is not everyone's tradition.</p> <p>If south indians are having a problem trying to get their women to wear a saree, don't blame the salwar kameez cuz it's indian too. Try to find a solution as to how a saree can be made easier to handle so that your women can wear it everyday and still manage to comfortably go about their business. Like someone said evolve and adapt.</p> Y is the author putting down north indians? So what if our men and women have unisex names? It’s part of our religion to treat men and women equally hence the names. I could go on to say something about the looooonngggg last names south indians have but that has nothing to do with why salwar kameez is worn more than sarees. It’s true salwar kameez is more practical and easier to handle then a saree. Saree takes practice. I agree the saree is beautiful and elegant but so is the salwar kameez and it is just as indian as the saree. India is a mix of a lot of cultures and not all of them have the saree as their traditional garment so stop trynna shove it down the entire india’s throat. It offends me when people think that all the women in india should be wearing sarees. Y? Wear what you like, and what suits you.Heck I wear a saree once in a while too, but no one gets mad at me for abandoning the salwar kameez. I am not saying forget your traditions but the saree is not everyone’s tradition.

If south indians are having a problem trying to get their women to wear a saree, don’t blame the salwar kameez cuz it’s indian too. Try to find a solution as to how a saree can be made easier to handle so that your women can wear it everyday and still manage to comfortably go about their business. Like someone said evolve and adapt.

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By: Saloni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-217882 Saloni Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:23:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-217882 <p>According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saree#Origins_and_history - while the history of draping a long length of cloth is really old, the saree in its present form is relatively new, especially with respect to the choli. Dhoti-wrap type of outfits (sometimes the length of today's miniskirts) are also visible in several south indian temple carvings, usually with bare upper bodies. This is considered outrageous today. It's just an evolution of fashion. We have lehengas which have evolved from the sarees and clothes will continue to evolve. It's not like we are really changing traditions, clothes are just evolving like they've always done for millenia before.</p> According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saree#Origins_and_history – while the history of draping a long length of cloth is really old, the saree in its present form is relatively new, especially with respect to the choli. Dhoti-wrap type of outfits (sometimes the length of today’s miniskirts) are also visible in several south indian temple carvings, usually with bare upper bodies. This is considered outrageous today. It’s just an evolution of fashion. We have lehengas which have evolved from the sarees and clothes will continue to evolve. It’s not like we are really changing traditions, clothes are just evolving like they’ve always done for millenia before.

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By: Reader http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-209922 Reader Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:36:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-209922 <p>Yes it is unfortunate that very few Indian women wear sarees these days - irrespective of how the young girls look they LOVE to ape the West (in spagetti straps/shorts and the like) ignoring our centuries old culture - as if the churidar/salwar kameez are very inconvenient for running to catch the bus!! So much art lies behind the making of a saree- the beautiful colours that India has - but the current population prefers 'black' although we are very brown!! and they don't realise what they are missing and losing in COPYING ALL that's wrong in the West.</p> Yes it is unfortunate that very few Indian women wear sarees these days – irrespective of how the young girls look they LOVE to ape the West (in spagetti straps/shorts and the like) ignoring our centuries old culture – as if the churidar/salwar kameez are very inconvenient for running to catch the bus!! So much art lies behind the making of a saree- the beautiful colours that India has – but the current population prefers ‘black’ although we are very brown!! and they don’t realise what they are missing and losing in COPYING ALL that’s wrong in the West.

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By: Sivi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-160125 Sivi Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:49:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-160125 <p>Will we hear the end of this already? I am a woman, a few years younger than Shashi. I am always in pants, and sometimes in a salwar set. But to occasions that matter, i always wear a sari, even with a body that would look good in western gowns, etc. Shaad, I like your message.</p> <p>And to all the "feminists" out there - you ARE wearing what you do to cover your BODY now, isn't it? So where does the question of "sexist" come in the picture, here? If you are really all feminists, including the men who write, then why bother covering you body, people?</p> <p>Pathetic.</p> Will we hear the end of this already? I am a woman, a few years younger than Shashi. I am always in pants, and sometimes in a salwar set. But to occasions that matter, i always wear a sari, even with a body that would look good in western gowns, etc. Shaad, I like your message.

And to all the “feminists” out there – you ARE wearing what you do to cover your BODY now, isn’t it? So where does the question of “sexist” come in the picture, here? If you are really all feminists, including the men who write, then why bother covering you body, people?

Pathetic.

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By: LeftyProf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/07/16/feeling_sorry_f/comment-page-6/#comment-151217 LeftyProf Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:32:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4572#comment-151217 <blockquote>there have been far more sexist comments about women and men on these threads. and what about shaad's good point about people using the feminist argument but themselves making rather sexist and anti-feminist comments about women's appearances?</blockquote> <p>Point taken.</p> there have been far more sexist comments about women and men on these threads. and what about shaad’s good point about people using the feminist argument but themselves making rather sexist and anti-feminist comments about women’s appearances?

Point taken.

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