Comments on: Indian-American Student in Desegregation Crossfire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147557 SM Intern Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:10:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147557 <p>Folks, this thread has drifted seriously off-topic. It's probably time to move on...</p> Folks, this thread has drifted seriously off-topic. It’s probably time to move on…

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147549 Rahul Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:20:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147549 <blockquote>you can start by not being opposed to Hindi.</blockquote> <p>Rajesh, believe me, I tried so hard. But there were so many slights. First, the rejection of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAqc8gqi7Xs">Kamal Haasan's start turn</a> in Ek Duje ke liye. But really the last vada that broke this Dravidian camel's back was my favorite Superstar Rajinikanth's second billing (to some Amitabh ke Bacche) in Andha Kaanoon. I just couldn't take it!!! How could they insult my hero so?</p> you can start by not being opposed to Hindi.

Rajesh, believe me, I tried so hard. But there were so many slights. First, the rejection of Kamal Haasan’s start turn in Ek Duje ke liye. But really the last vada that broke this Dravidian camel’s back was my favorite Superstar Rajinikanth’s second billing (to some Amitabh ke Bacche) in Andha Kaanoon. I just couldn’t take it!!! How could they insult my hero so?

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147544 Rajesh Harricharan Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:44:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147544 <p>Rahul, I had no intention of causing you and other Tamils such grief. We need to start thinking of ourselves as Indians first and you can start by not being opposed to Hindi. FYI. I wish I knew Hindi. I speak only English, both the Queens English and American. My Grand-parents spoke Bhojpuri. (I hope I spelled it right). I blame them for not passing on their language.</p> Rahul, I had no intention of causing you and other Tamils such grief. We need to start thinking of ourselves as Indians first and you can start by not being opposed to Hindi. FYI. I wish I knew Hindi. I speak only English, both the Queens English and American. My Grand-parents spoke Bhojpuri. (I hope I spelled it right). I blame them for not passing on their language.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147543 Rahul Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:33:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147543 <blockquote>Tamils are CAUCASOID. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. </blockquote> <p>Rajesh, these might have been 9 tiny words to you. But they shattered the twin pillars of my existence. I have been curled up in bed all day, wondering whether all those buses and trains I stopped, those bridges I blocked, those Hindi books I burnt, those Scythians I stared down, was it all for nought based on measly incorrect information by the evil Wikipedia? Should I have trusted <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page">this</a> instead? What separates me from <a href="http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/claytonbigsby.jpg">Clayton Bigsby</a> then?</p> Tamils are CAUCASOID. Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

Rajesh, these might have been 9 tiny words to you. But they shattered the twin pillars of my existence. I have been curled up in bed all day, wondering whether all those buses and trains I stopped, those bridges I blocked, those Hindi books I burnt, those Scythians I stared down, was it all for nought based on measly incorrect information by the evil Wikipedia? Should I have trusted this instead? What separates me from Clayton Bigsby then?

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147541 Rajesh Harricharan Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:20:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147541 <p>LK1, You are right about the Persians. We have the same ancestors and are related. Blond , blue-eyed Aryan is a Hollywood myth, just look at the Austrians. I have to admit that I am not sure of the relationship of the Australian Aborigines to Tamils. Someone will have to do a genetics test.</p> LK1, You are right about the Persians. We have the same ancestors and are related. Blond , blue-eyed Aryan is a Hollywood myth, just look at the Austrians. I have to admit that I am not sure of the relationship of the Australian Aborigines to Tamils. Someone will have to do a genetics test.

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By: Rajesh Harricharan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147540 Rajesh Harricharan Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:12:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147540 <p>LK1, I see your point and I am well aware of every thing you stated. This conflict between north and south Indians has to do with language, region, and culture and is therefore ethnic. Dravidian is not a race nor is Aryan. They just happen to be both Caucasian. The natives of New Guinea and the Massai of Africa are quite different, but both belong to the same race.</p> <p>You are right to avoid discussing Indian history with a south Indian, especially now, as some (even north Indians ) are trying to re-write the Aryan invasion theory and changing text books. It is difficult for a person to be objective when they are ethnocentric. The point that most on this discussion seem to be missing is that race is Bioligical and therefore Scientific, it has to do with genetics, blood type, and certain physical features and not not skin colour.</p> LK1, I see your point and I am well aware of every thing you stated. This conflict between north and south Indians has to do with language, region, and culture and is therefore ethnic. Dravidian is not a race nor is Aryan. They just happen to be both Caucasian. The natives of New Guinea and the Massai of Africa are quite different, but both belong to the same race.

You are right to avoid discussing Indian history with a south Indian, especially now, as some (even north Indians ) are trying to re-write the Aryan invasion theory and changing text books. It is difficult for a person to be objective when they are ethnocentric. The point that most on this discussion seem to be missing is that race is Bioligical and therefore Scientific, it has to do with genetics, blood type, and certain physical features and not not skin colour.

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By: LK1 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147539 LK1 Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:09:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147539 <p>Iranians (Persians) are the true Aryans. Iran actually means "land where the Aryans lived." I don't know where this blonde-haired blue-eyed rubbish came from. As for Tamils, they are related to the Australian Aboriginal population.</p> Iranians (Persians) are the true Aryans. Iran actually means “land where the Aryans lived.” I don’t know where this blonde-haired blue-eyed rubbish came from. As for Tamils, they are related to the Australian Aboriginal population.

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By: helpful dilettante http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147517 helpful dilettante Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:02:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147517 <blockquote>We are first class Americans</blockquote> <blockquote>In defining race color should not be included</blockquote> <blockquote>There are only three; Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid</blockquote> <blockquote>You finally got the point. The problem begins when Caucasian is confused with White</blockquote> <p>That is indeed poses a problem, people do associate white with "first class Americans". I can see how it hinders you from taking full advantage of <strike>White</strike> Caucasian power. You could get a vanity plate, or a T-Shirt with a Venn diagram to educate everyone, that whites, are a subset of Caucasians?</p> We are first class Americans
In defining race color should not be included
There are only three; Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid
You finally got the point. The problem begins when Caucasian is confused with White

That is indeed poses a problem, people do associate white with “first class Americans”. I can see how it hinders you from taking full advantage of White Caucasian power. You could get a vanity plate, or a T-Shirt with a Venn diagram to educate everyone, that whites, are a subset of Caucasians?

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By: LK1 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147511 LK1 Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:53:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147511 <p>*fighting for a</p> *fighting for a

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By: LK1 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/27/indianamerican_1/comment-page-3/#comment-147510 LK1 Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:49:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4531#comment-147510 <blockquote> Tamils are CAUCASOID. </blockquote> <p>Then why do they seem to have issues with every North Indian group, or group descended from North Indians? For example, they fought so-called "Hindi imposition" with everything they had, and they are fighting from a seperate homeland in Sri Lanka. I used to debate Indian history on a certain website (not this one). Many Tamil members became furious over the mere mention of the word "Vedas." There was also hostility towards Tamil Brahmins... but these same Tamils would eagerly re-invent Indian history to reflect its "Tamilness" for example, one of their claims being that Tamils were the original bearers of Hinduism, and "Sanskritization", as they called it, was just an attempt at stealing Tamil ideas. And before I forget, one of the most popular topics was "Sanskrit words borrowed from Tamil."</p> <p>I don't doubt Tamils have their own history, which they should be very proud of. BUT, it has been my unfortunate experience that discussing Indian history with Tamils is a difficult task. I try to avoid it now, if I can.</p> Tamils are CAUCASOID.

Then why do they seem to have issues with every North Indian group, or group descended from North Indians? For example, they fought so-called “Hindi imposition” with everything they had, and they are fighting from a seperate homeland in Sri Lanka. I used to debate Indian history on a certain website (not this one). Many Tamil members became furious over the mere mention of the word “Vedas.” There was also hostility towards Tamil Brahmins… but these same Tamils would eagerly re-invent Indian history to reflect its “Tamilness” for example, one of their claims being that Tamils were the original bearers of Hinduism, and “Sanskritization”, as they called it, was just an attempt at stealing Tamil ideas. And before I forget, one of the most popular topics was “Sanskrit words borrowed from Tamil.”

I don’t doubt Tamils have their own history, which they should be very proud of. BUT, it has been my unfortunate experience that discussing Indian history with Tamils is a difficult task. I try to avoid it now, if I can.

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