Comments on: But Tony, the President still likes Indians…right? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-2/#comment-146283 Rahul Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:55:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-146283 <p>The New York Times had two articles on Bloomberg this weekend. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/us/politics/24bloomberg.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all">One of them</a> was a bit hagiographic, but it is the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/weekinreview/24healy.html">other article</a> that is really interesting. Even admitting the reality of some of the comments above, it suggests the possibility that the winner-take-all nature of the electoral system and the recent close races we've had might allow Bloomberg a very non-traditional strategy for "success".</p> The New York Times had two articles on Bloomberg this weekend. One of them was a bit hagiographic, but it is the other article that is really interesting. Even admitting the reality of some of the comments above, it suggests the possibility that the winner-take-all nature of the electoral system and the recent close races we’ve had might allow Bloomberg a very non-traditional strategy for “success”.

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By: Seahawks fan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-2/#comment-146083 Seahawks fan Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:28:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-146083 <blockquote>Rediff got an exclusive with Obama today: </blockquote> <p>I love the way the word "exclusive" is used these days. Apparently Obama is not giving interviews to anyone else.</p> <p>You wouldn't say you have an "exclusive" relationship with a woman if she gets to date other men at different times.</p> Rediff got an exclusive with Obama today:

I love the way the word “exclusive” is used these days. Apparently Obama is not giving interviews to anyone else.

You wouldn’t say you have an “exclusive” relationship with a woman if she gets to date other men at different times.

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By: HyperTree http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-2/#comment-145876 HyperTree Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:13:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145876 <p>Manju: what you say -- "a system where a party had to get real influence before being represented", and "designed to contain factions w/o suppressing them" leads to more autocratic and not necessarily liberty-preserving behavior innit? An example of this "system" would be post-independence India; inspite of the parliamentary system, it was real difficult for parties to be representin w/o real influence.</p> <p>The majority respecting fundamental rights is orthogonal to the system you just described, and is I suspect orthogonal to any system. You seem to be under the same misconception that Bush and Co with their democracy spreading enterprise labor under: that is the structure that gives rise to peoples' behaviors, as opposed to the peoples' morals determining how a given system functions.</p> <p>In India, the constitution has been amended hundreds of times, how can any "system" safeguard against that? It seems like feudalism cannot be destroyed by a wave of the structures wand innit?</p> Manju: what you say — “a system where a party had to get real influence before being represented”, and “designed to contain factions w/o suppressing them” leads to more autocratic and not necessarily liberty-preserving behavior innit? An example of this “system” would be post-independence India; inspite of the parliamentary system, it was real difficult for parties to be representin w/o real influence.

The majority respecting fundamental rights is orthogonal to the system you just described, and is I suspect orthogonal to any system. You seem to be under the same misconception that Bush and Co with their democracy spreading enterprise labor under: that is the structure that gives rise to peoples’ behaviors, as opposed to the peoples’ morals determining how a given system functions.

In India, the constitution has been amended hundreds of times, how can any “system” safeguard against that? It seems like feudalism cannot be destroyed by a wave of the structures wand innit?

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-2/#comment-145857 Manju Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:30:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145857 <blockquote>Manju: is it not that a parliamentary system results in a greater gridlock?</blockquote> <p>HyperTree:</p> <p>i guess the thinking is that in a parliamentary system the executive always has a majority. of course, you can say that the US winner take all system leads to less gridlock than proportional representation of parties, but the founders generally tried to discourage radicalism or factions and selfish groups that had no interest in the common good, so they built a system where a party had to get real influence before being represented.</p> <p>you can see the US constitutional democracy as an elaborate machine designed to contain factions w/o suppressing them, create a majority that believes in the fundamental rights, with safeguards installed to prevent that majority from over-turning those rights. i think this helps explain US stability, as anti-democratic fanaticism has been defanged w/o being outlawed.</p> <blockquote>And why do you think Bloomberg is a nanny statist? Gun control and anti-smoking?</blockquote> <p>yep. trans-fat ban too. even smoking in outdoor cafes. but its a long leap from major to president, although his $$ conveys him some stature, as americans respect self-made billionares.</p> Manju: is it not that a parliamentary system results in a greater gridlock?

HyperTree:

i guess the thinking is that in a parliamentary system the executive always has a majority. of course, you can say that the US winner take all system leads to less gridlock than proportional representation of parties, but the founders generally tried to discourage radicalism or factions and selfish groups that had no interest in the common good, so they built a system where a party had to get real influence before being represented.

you can see the US constitutional democracy as an elaborate machine designed to contain factions w/o suppressing them, create a majority that believes in the fundamental rights, with safeguards installed to prevent that majority from over-turning those rights. i think this helps explain US stability, as anti-democratic fanaticism has been defanged w/o being outlawed.

And why do you think Bloomberg is a nanny statist? Gun control and anti-smoking?

yep. trans-fat ban too. even smoking in outdoor cafes. but its a long leap from major to president, although his $$ conveys him some stature, as americans respect self-made billionares.

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By: HyperTree http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-1/#comment-145772 HyperTree Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:47:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145772 <blockquote>Why doesn't education, modernization and technological sophistication help us legistlate or teach our way out of this pernicious nonsense?</blockquote> <p>BleedingDil, it is because of BleedingDils like you. The people to sort out the mess can only come from a good tertiary education system. The people with said education can only do so if they are provided the infrastructure like electricity. Guess who controls both education and electricity -- govt. And guess who keeps insisting on more power to said govts -- BleedingDil statists. You guys scare me.</p> Why doesn’t education, modernization and technological sophistication help us legistlate or teach our way out of this pernicious nonsense?

BleedingDil, it is because of BleedingDils like you. The people to sort out the mess can only come from a good tertiary education system. The people with said education can only do so if they are provided the infrastructure like electricity. Guess who controls both education and electricity — govt. And guess who keeps insisting on more power to said govts — BleedingDil statists. You guys scare me.

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By: BleedingDil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-1/#comment-145756 BleedingDil Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:35:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145756 <p>Well, perhaps the presidential spokesman should read this article:</p> <p>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062002535.html</p> <p>Why doesn't education, modernization and technological sophistication help us legistlate or teach our way out of this pernicious nonsense?</p> Well, perhaps the presidential spokesman should read this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062002535.html

Why doesn’t education, modernization and technological sophistication help us legistlate or teach our way out of this pernicious nonsense?

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By: HyperTree http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-1/#comment-145614 HyperTree Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:21:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145614 <blockquote>"The rejection of a parliamentary system... put in place to prevent legislation from going thru"</blockquote> <p>Manju: is it not that a parliamentary system results in a greater gridlock? The executive is weakened, more than two electoral parties, requires more consensus to get anything done. India should be a gridlockists's wet dream.</p> <p>And why do you think Bloomberg is a nanny statist? Gun control and anti-smoking?</p> “The rejection of a parliamentary system… put in place to prevent legislation from going thru”

Manju: is it not that a parliamentary system results in a greater gridlock? The executive is weakened, more than two electoral parties, requires more consensus to get anything done. India should be a gridlockists’s wet dream.

And why do you think Bloomberg is a nanny statist? Gun control and anti-smoking?

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By: Beige Siege http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-1/#comment-145491 Beige Siege Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:36:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145491 <blockquote>He's got a Billion set aside for the race, he has silicon valley in his pocket (they worship him), </blockquote> <p>Why does the silicon valley worship him?</p> <blockquote>most inveterate India haters like Barbara Crosette</blockquote> <p>Whats her problem? She doesnt like spicy food?</p> He’s got a Billion set aside for the race, he has silicon valley in his pocket (they worship him),

Why does the silicon valley worship him?

most inveterate India haters like Barbara Crosette

Whats her problem? She doesnt like spicy food?

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By: coach diesel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-1/#comment-145424 coach diesel Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:22:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145424 <p>Noblekinsman You lucky dey keep me on a short leash</p> Noblekinsman You lucky dey keep me on a short leash

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/19/but_tonydoes_th/comment-page-1/#comment-145417 Rahul Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:00:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4517#comment-145417 <p>Yo, noblekinsman. Why you gettin all up in abhi's grillz like dat?</p> Yo, noblekinsman. Why you gettin all up in abhi’s grillz like dat?

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