Comments on: How Now Brown Voters? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-147253 Rahul Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:33:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-147253 <p>Apparently, with Obama, the buck passes here. Here's an article from the Chicago Tribune of June 21, 2007 detailing a pattern. I don't know if it is just an accident, but it does make you wonder.</p> <p>Obama again blames staff for miscues</p> <p>By John McCormick Tribune staff reporter</p> <p>June 21, 2007, 10:55 PM CDT</p> <p>Despite often-lofty rhetoric that he plans to bring the nation a "new kind of politics," Sen. Barack Obama has surrounded himself with operatives skilled in the old-school art of the political back stab.</p> <p>Yet when Obama was criticized this week for opposition research memos critical of Sen. Hillary Clinton's ties to India and Indian-Americans, he was quick to blame his staff.</p> <p>"It was a screw-up on the part of our research team," he told editors and reporters with The Des Moines Register. "It wasn't anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen."</p> <p>That is starting to sound familiar. It was at least the third time since February the Illinois Democrat has blamed his staff for a glitch.</p> <p>When Obama assembled his crew early this year, he brought together a team with a long track record for the sort of caustic rhetoric he has pledged to avoid, just as other presidential candidates have done by hiring people similarly talented in the art of opposition research and attack. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) even hired some of the very people that trashed his 2000 presidential bid.</p> <p>From his campaign headquarters on the 11th floor of a high-rise on Michigan Avenue, Obama's political warriors range from a research director with extensive experience in throwing darts from Democratic National Committee's offices to a communications director who once worked for a group that ran a controversial ad that used an image of Osama bin Laden to attack Howard Dean.</p> <p>Obama's latest campaign hiccup started with documents that sarcastically questioned Clinton's ties to India that were pitched to reporters on a not-for-attribution basis. The documents later became public, angering many Indian-American supporters.</p> <p>The documents questioned links Clinton (D-N.Y.) and her husband, the former president, had with various companies that outsource American jobs. One included a headline that referred to Clinton as the Democratic senator from Punjab, a reference to a joke Clinton had made last year at a fundraiser.</p> <p>In making his apologies for the flap, Obama sought to reassert one of his strongest selling points: that he is an agent of change who is capable of changing the tone of the nation's political debate. But as Obama and his handlers well know, it is a tricky balance between staying above the fray and proving to Democratic activists that you are tough enough to take on the Republican nominee.</p> <p>"There are times where I find myself slipping into the sort of caustic tit-for-tat politics I think is typical," Obama told Iowa's largest newspaper. "The environment pushes you in that direction oftentimes."</p> <p>Such statements have created a higher standard for Obama, one that does not always jibe with the group of political operatives who encircle him.</p> <p>Obama's research director, Devorah Adler, for example, was tied to a controversial 2005 Democratic National Committee research memo distributed to reporters on a not-for-attribution basis about then-Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito. It suggested he had participated in "anti-civil rights and anti-immigrant rulings" as a judge and had failed to win mobster convictions as a prosecutor.</p> <p>Obama's campaign declined to say whether Adler had seen the India documents before their release or whether she is part of the senior staff. "We're not going to get into the internal machinations," spokesman Bill Burton said.</p> <p>Obama's communications director and one of his closest advisers, meanwhile, was once employed by a group that ran a television ad shortly before the 2004 Iowa caucuses that used a picture of bin Laden to criticize Dean's foreign policy credentials at a point when Dean was the Democratic front-runner.</p> <p>At the time, Robert Gibbs was working with a shadowy group called Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values. The so-called 527 political group paid for the ad, but refused to disclose in a timely manner who was financing the effort because federal law did not require it to do so.</p> <p>Shortly after the ads started running, a labor union that had endorsed Democratic rival Richard Gephardt of Missouri acknowledged contributing $50,000 to the group, but said the ads had gone too far.</p> <p>The group had begun running ads in Iowa in early December 2003. One that ran before the bin Laden ad had featured Dean, side-by-side with President Bush and compared their records of support for the National Rifle Association.</p> <p>Gibbs was also involved in a dust-up in February from which Obama was quickly forced to distance himself.</p> <p>When Obama contributor and Hollywood mogul David Geffen slammed the Clintons, triggering the Clinton campaign to demand that Obama return money Geffen had raised for Obama, Gibbs showed his campaign could play tough.</p> <p>"We aren't going to get in the middle of a disagreement between the Clintons and someone who was once one of their biggest supporters," he said at the time. "It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom."</p> <p>Obama later distanced himself from that comment, saying he had been flying from Los Angeles to Iowa at the time. "I told my staff that I don't want us to be a party to these kinds of distractions because I want to make sure that we're spending time talking about issues," he said. "My preference going forward is that we have to be careful not to slip into playing the game as it customarily is played."</p> <p>In a lower profile incident, Obama also blamed his staff in May for his missing an event for firefighters in New Hampshire. "My staff had already scheduled some things and they couldn't wiggle out if it," he said at the time. "They heard from me a little bit because I wasn't happy I couldn't be there personally."</p> <p>mccormickj@tribune.com</p> <p>Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune</p> Apparently, with Obama, the buck passes here. Here’s an article from the Chicago Tribune of June 21, 2007 detailing a pattern. I don’t know if it is just an accident, but it does make you wonder.

Obama again blames staff for miscues

By John McCormick Tribune staff reporter

June 21, 2007, 10:55 PM CDT

Despite often-lofty rhetoric that he plans to bring the nation a “new kind of politics,” Sen. Barack Obama has surrounded himself with operatives skilled in the old-school art of the political back stab.

Yet when Obama was criticized this week for opposition research memos critical of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s ties to India and Indian-Americans, he was quick to blame his staff.

“It was a screw-up on the part of our research team,” he told editors and reporters with The Des Moines Register. “It wasn’t anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen.”

That is starting to sound familiar. It was at least the third time since February the Illinois Democrat has blamed his staff for a glitch.

When Obama assembled his crew early this year, he brought together a team with a long track record for the sort of caustic rhetoric he has pledged to avoid, just as other presidential candidates have done by hiring people similarly talented in the art of opposition research and attack. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) even hired some of the very people that trashed his 2000 presidential bid.

From his campaign headquarters on the 11th floor of a high-rise on Michigan Avenue, Obama’s political warriors range from a research director with extensive experience in throwing darts from Democratic National Committee’s offices to a communications director who once worked for a group that ran a controversial ad that used an image of Osama bin Laden to attack Howard Dean.

Obama’s latest campaign hiccup started with documents that sarcastically questioned Clinton’s ties to India that were pitched to reporters on a not-for-attribution basis. The documents later became public, angering many Indian-American supporters.

The documents questioned links Clinton (D-N.Y.) and her husband, the former president, had with various companies that outsource American jobs. One included a headline that referred to Clinton as the Democratic senator from Punjab, a reference to a joke Clinton had made last year at a fundraiser.

In making his apologies for the flap, Obama sought to reassert one of his strongest selling points: that he is an agent of change who is capable of changing the tone of the nation’s political debate. But as Obama and his handlers well know, it is a tricky balance between staying above the fray and proving to Democratic activists that you are tough enough to take on the Republican nominee.

“There are times where I find myself slipping into the sort of caustic tit-for-tat politics I think is typical,” Obama told Iowa’s largest newspaper. “The environment pushes you in that direction oftentimes.”

Such statements have created a higher standard for Obama, one that does not always jibe with the group of political operatives who encircle him.

Obama’s research director, Devorah Adler, for example, was tied to a controversial 2005 Democratic National Committee research memo distributed to reporters on a not-for-attribution basis about then-Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito. It suggested he had participated in “anti-civil rights and anti-immigrant rulings” as a judge and had failed to win mobster convictions as a prosecutor.

Obama’s campaign declined to say whether Adler had seen the India documents before their release or whether she is part of the senior staff. “We’re not going to get into the internal machinations,” spokesman Bill Burton said.

Obama’s communications director and one of his closest advisers, meanwhile, was once employed by a group that ran a television ad shortly before the 2004 Iowa caucuses that used a picture of bin Laden to criticize Dean’s foreign policy credentials at a point when Dean was the Democratic front-runner.

At the time, Robert Gibbs was working with a shadowy group called Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values. The so-called 527 political group paid for the ad, but refused to disclose in a timely manner who was financing the effort because federal law did not require it to do so.

Shortly after the ads started running, a labor union that had endorsed Democratic rival Richard Gephardt of Missouri acknowledged contributing $50,000 to the group, but said the ads had gone too far.

The group had begun running ads in Iowa in early December 2003. One that ran before the bin Laden ad had featured Dean, side-by-side with President Bush and compared their records of support for the National Rifle Association.

Gibbs was also involved in a dust-up in February from which Obama was quickly forced to distance himself.

When Obama contributor and Hollywood mogul David Geffen slammed the Clintons, triggering the Clinton campaign to demand that Obama return money Geffen had raised for Obama, Gibbs showed his campaign could play tough.

“We aren’t going to get in the middle of a disagreement between the Clintons and someone who was once one of their biggest supporters,” he said at the time. “It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom.”

Obama later distanced himself from that comment, saying he had been flying from Los Angeles to Iowa at the time. “I told my staff that I don’t want us to be a party to these kinds of distractions because I want to make sure that we’re spending time talking about issues,” he said. “My preference going forward is that we have to be careful not to slip into playing the game as it customarily is played.”

In a lower profile incident, Obama also blamed his staff in May for his missing an event for firefighters in New Hampshire. “My staff had already scheduled some things and they couldn’t wiggle out if it,” he said at the time. “They heard from me a little bit because I wasn’t happy I couldn’t be there personally.”

mccormickj@tribune.com

Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune

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By: namantra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-146554 namantra Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:55:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-146554 <p>Well yeah controlling his "people" is more important because if he can't control his "people" as President then it won't make a difference what his stances are, the only thing that will matter are the stances of his "people".</p> <blockquote>So you'd rather remain blissfully ignorant rather than accept the apology of a guy who is running a huge campaign and can't possibly be expected to have complete oversight of it all the time. Not sure what that says about you. Never mind, I do. </blockquote> <p>Well I guess my logic is that if he can't run a "big" campaign, I have no idea how he plans to run the world's only superpower, which in some ways includes running the whole world.</p> Well yeah controlling his “people” is more important because if he can’t control his “people” as President then it won’t make a difference what his stances are, the only thing that will matter are the stances of his “people”.

So you’d rather remain blissfully ignorant rather than accept the apology of a guy who is running a huge campaign and can’t possibly be expected to have complete oversight of it all the time. Not sure what that says about you. Never mind, I do.

Well I guess my logic is that if he can’t run a “big” campaign, I have no idea how he plans to run the world’s only superpower, which in some ways includes running the whole world.

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By: Salil Maniktahla http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-146382 Salil Maniktahla Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:43:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-146382 <p>namantra, #93:</p> <blockquote>"...lost control of his own people."</blockquote> <p>You're kidding me, right? So the most important thing in this free country is absolute control of "your people" (in this case, volunteer campaign workers)?</p> <p>And that's far more important than not being RACIST? Or having a sane political stance?</p> <p>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?</p> namantra, #93:

“…lost control of his own people.”

You’re kidding me, right? So the most important thing in this free country is absolute control of “your people” (in this case, volunteer campaign workers)?

And that’s far more important than not being RACIST? Or having a sane political stance?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?

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By: incog http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-146376 incog Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:17:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-146376 <blockquote>I'd prefer that he be a racist anti-Indian who could hide his bias (like a lot of Republicans do) for the sake of politics than a pro-Indian who has no idea what's going on in his own house.</blockquote> <p>So you'd rather remain blissfully ignorant rather than accept the apology of a guy who is running a huge campaign and can't possibly be expected to have complete oversight of it all the time. Not sure what that says about you. Never mind, I do.</p> I’d prefer that he be a racist anti-Indian who could hide his bias (like a lot of Republicans do) for the sake of politics than a pro-Indian who has no idea what’s going on in his own house.

So you’d rather remain blissfully ignorant rather than accept the apology of a guy who is running a huge campaign and can’t possibly be expected to have complete oversight of it all the time. Not sure what that says about you. Never mind, I do.

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By: namantra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-146375 namantra Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:55:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-146375 <p>I used to like Obama a lot, but I don't see how I can retain support for a guy who can't even properly control his own campaign. I'd prefer that he be a racist anti-Indian who could hide his bias (like a lot of Republicans do) for the sake of politics than a pro-Indian who has no idea what's going on in his own house.</p> <p>This is the second situation I've read about, where Obama lost control of his own people. I sense a bad/negligent leader...</p> I used to like Obama a lot, but I don’t see how I can retain support for a guy who can’t even properly control his own campaign. I’d prefer that he be a racist anti-Indian who could hide his bias (like a lot of Republicans do) for the sake of politics than a pro-Indian who has no idea what’s going on in his own house.

This is the second situation I’ve read about, where Obama lost control of his own people. I sense a bad/negligent leader…

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By: deepal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-146324 deepal Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:45:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-146324 <p>The only thing that makes me feel a little better about it is that he didn't read the memo before it was sent.</p> The only thing that makes me feel a little better about it is that he didn’t read the memo before it was sent.

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By: deepal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-146323 deepal Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:44:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-146323 <p>Yeah, I'm also still disturbed by, "<b>More importantly</b>, the memo's caustic tone, and its focus on contributions by Indian-Americans to the Clinton campaign, <b>was potentially hurtful</b>, and <b>as such, unacceptable</b>"</p> <p>It's a copout. That's not saying that he doesn't believe what the memo said or that he thought it was wrong because it was wrong. It positions him such that it appeases both sides. I'm hearing that a lot from politicians, that "I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, I didn't mean to cause anyone pain and I regret that."</p> Yeah, I’m also still disturbed by, “More importantly, the memo’s caustic tone, and its focus on contributions by Indian-Americans to the Clinton campaign, was potentially hurtful, and as such, unacceptable

It’s a copout. That’s not saying that he doesn’t believe what the memo said or that he thought it was wrong because it was wrong. It positions him such that it appeases both sides. I’m hearing that a lot from politicians, that “I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone, I didn’t mean to cause anyone pain and I regret that.”

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By: tef http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-145674 tef Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:17:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-145674 <p>Sorry. Forgot the link.</p> <p><a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/120893.html"> Obama's Macaca Moment Blurring the line between trade and treason</a></p> Sorry. Forgot the link.

Obama’s Macaca Moment Blurring the line between trade and treason

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By: tef http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-145670 tef Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:12:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-145670 <p>from Reason Magazine</p> <blockquote>“Obama Just Got Less ‘Brown’ Friendly,� reads the Indian American blog <b>Sepia Mutiny</b>. The US-India Political Action Community, having elicited one tepid pseudo-apology from the Barack Obama campaign, then demanded an acceptably contrite expression of contrition. Barack Obama’s macaca moment is hardly the campaign killer that George Allen’s proved to be, but the spectacle of a Kenyan Kansan would-be president deflecting criticism from pro-trade Indian Americans is at least more interesting.</blockquote> <blockquote> Barack’s (second) apology is thorough and appropriate, but he has flirted with these sentiments before. At a speech after the Virginia Tech Massacre, Obama explained that “There's also another kind of violence that we're going to have to think about. It's not necessarily the physical violence, but the violence that we perpetrate on each other in other ways.� What kind of ways? Well, for one: “the violence of men and women who have worked all their lives and suddenly have the rug pulled out from under them because their job is moved to another country."</blockquote> from Reason Magazine

“Obama Just Got Less ‘Brown’ Friendly,� reads the Indian American blog Sepia Mutiny. The US-India Political Action Community, having elicited one tepid pseudo-apology from the Barack Obama campaign, then demanded an acceptably contrite expression of contrition. Barack Obama’s macaca moment is hardly the campaign killer that George Allen’s proved to be, but the spectacle of a Kenyan Kansan would-be president deflecting criticism from pro-trade Indian Americans is at least more interesting.
Barack’s (second) apology is thorough and appropriate, but he has flirted with these sentiments before. At a speech after the Virginia Tech Massacre, Obama explained that “There’s also another kind of violence that we’re going to have to think about. It’s not necessarily the physical violence, but the violence that we perpetrate on each other in other ways.� What kind of ways? Well, for one: “the violence of men and women who have worked all their lives and suddenly have the rug pulled out from under them because their job is moved to another country.”
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By: Mehul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/18/how_now_brown_v_1/comment-page-2/#comment-145566 Mehul Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:17:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4513#comment-145566 <p>I don't think it was too much to worry about. Some dumb staffer probably forgot that what is a joke among staff probably should not be put in a memo. And if for some reason obama and his campaign is anti-indian, I'd rather see the knife coming from the front than coming from the back.</p> <p>if romney wins the the GOP nomination then I'm voting for the weed lady since I live in Utah.</p> I don’t think it was too much to worry about. Some dumb staffer probably forgot that what is a joke among staff probably should not be put in a memo. And if for some reason obama and his campaign is anti-indian, I’d rather see the knife coming from the front than coming from the back.

if romney wins the the GOP nomination then I’m voting for the weed lady since I live in Utah.

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