Comments on: “But now, all my dreams are broken.” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: paras http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-7/#comment-146216 paras Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:33:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-146216 <p>I was very impressed to see that so many people are concerned about it. In fact, I was so touched that I have decided to adopt 5 harijan families and treat them like my family members. Our family will build relationships with them and try to understand their difficulties. We will not hesitate going to their homes and eating; we will not hesitate in inviting them and their friends to our house for dinner. On various festivities, we will get together and celebrate together. I hope all those concered on the post-board do something similar - if half of the posting community participates then we would have affected close to 200 families. We can keep adding families to our list as we continue on this path of doing something rather than just commenting and feeling bad about it. I consider this to be my spiritual development and not a favor to any of these families. They are my divine brothers and sisters and I am going to try my best to see them in that light. Are you all with me?</p> I was very impressed to see that so many people are concerned about it. In fact, I was so touched that I have decided to adopt 5 harijan families and treat them like my family members. Our family will build relationships with them and try to understand their difficulties. We will not hesitate going to their homes and eating; we will not hesitate in inviting them and their friends to our house for dinner. On various festivities, we will get together and celebrate together. I hope all those concered on the post-board do something similar – if half of the posting community participates then we would have affected close to 200 families. We can keep adding families to our list as we continue on this path of doing something rather than just commenting and feeling bad about it. I consider this to be my spiritual development and not a favor to any of these families. They are my divine brothers and sisters and I am going to try my best to see them in that light. Are you all with me?

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By: shlok http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-7/#comment-144289 shlok Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:08:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-144289 <p>i've been watching this movie over and over again. so disturbing. even i, the joker, have put up a blog <a href="http://php.thnt.com/blog03/">post on this situation</a>.</p> <p>as i do more research, i find that the population of dalit in india is very close to the entire american population: 250 million.</p> <p><a href="http://www.dalitnetwork.org/go?/dfn/index">these folks </a>seem to be the authority on everything dalits, and how to help better their life.</p> i’ve been watching this movie over and over again. so disturbing. even i, the joker, have put up a blog post on this situation.

as i do more research, i find that the population of dalit in india is very close to the entire american population: 250 million.

these folks seem to be the authority on everything dalits, and how to help better their life.

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By: Pondatti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143788 Pondatti Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:26:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143788 <blockquote>Tambrams, overreprezent!</blockquote> <p>You mean overra- ah, never mind.</p> Tambrams, overreprezent!

You mean overra- ah, never mind.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143787 Rahul Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:22:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143787 <blockquote>That other Tamil Brahmin, Rahul</blockquote> <p>Prema, I'm <b>The</b> Tamil Brahmin. That other Tamil Brahmin is that other Tamil Brahmin.</p> <blockquote>Rahul the callous comedian</blockquote> <p>Can I use this name when Salil and I take <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004498.html#comment143504">our act</a> on the road? I am also flattered that you've been an ardent follower of my work so far.</p> <blockquote>a highly disproportionate number of the most tenacious defenders of casteism and elitism here, who also have the obscene habit of putting down african and hispanic americans, tend to be tamil brahmins.</blockquote> <p>It is all thanks to the benefits of reservation in Bigotry University. Tambrams, overreprezent!</p> That other Tamil Brahmin, Rahul

Prema, I’m The Tamil Brahmin. That other Tamil Brahmin is that other Tamil Brahmin.

Rahul the callous comedian

Can I use this name when Salil and I take our act on the road? I am also flattered that you’ve been an ardent follower of my work so far.

a highly disproportionate number of the most tenacious defenders of casteism and elitism here, who also have the obscene habit of putting down african and hispanic americans, tend to be tamil brahmins.

It is all thanks to the benefits of reservation in Bigotry University. Tambrams, overreprezent!

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143786 Ponniyin Selvan Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:15:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143786 <blockquote>Yet you have been tirelessly insisting that he was merely boasting of rapes not that he and his caste men had actually committed them. Now you admit "in writing" that such casteist rapes are indeed rampant. Isnt that the point of that video? So why are you objecting to it?</blockquote> <p>I don't think he's objecting to it. Tambram is using the classical technique of "vancha pugazchi". It is the technique of "Sangam poets" to disguise "venom" as praise. They sing such songs on the kings who they don't like and there is a legend that some famous poet killed a king just by his song.</p> <p>He is just ridiculing the "Tamil society / culture" by disguising as a "defender". As I said before, "caste" of the different roles of the actors are not explicitly mentioned and if they are explicitly mentioned it is mostly for praising it. No one knows what criteria Tambram uses to figure out who belongs to "high caste" and who belongs to "low caste". I've watched the same movies and cannot figure out the "caste" of such roles.</p> Yet you have been tirelessly insisting that he was merely boasting of rapes not that he and his caste men had actually committed them. Now you admit “in writing” that such casteist rapes are indeed rampant. Isnt that the point of that video? So why are you objecting to it?

I don’t think he’s objecting to it. Tambram is using the classical technique of “vancha pugazchi”. It is the technique of “Sangam poets” to disguise “venom” as praise. They sing such songs on the kings who they don’t like and there is a legend that some famous poet killed a king just by his song.

He is just ridiculing the “Tamil society / culture” by disguising as a “defender”. As I said before, “caste” of the different roles of the actors are not explicitly mentioned and if they are explicitly mentioned it is mostly for praising it. No one knows what criteria Tambram uses to figure out who belongs to “high caste” and who belongs to “low caste”. I’ve watched the same movies and cannot figure out the “caste” of such roles.

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By: Prema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143782 Prema Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:49:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143782 <blockquote>The girl at the end was clearly intelligent and articulate, perhaps endowed with g. The singular stupidity of the caste system keeps the intelligent poor from rising and contributing more to society, it's a net loss all round.</blockquote> <p>Exactly. She aspired to be a nurse or a doctor, and would have likely made a very good one too. The upper caste teachers and students humiliated and harassed her into quitting school. There are millions of such stories. Its a net loss for India, this squandering of precious human resources due to insane caste prejudices and selfishness.</p> The girl at the end was clearly intelligent and articulate, perhaps endowed with g. The singular stupidity of the caste system keeps the intelligent poor from rising and contributing more to society, it’s a net loss all round.

Exactly. She aspired to be a nurse or a doctor, and would have likely made a very good one too. The upper caste teachers and students humiliated and harassed her into quitting school. There are millions of such stories. Its a net loss for India, this squandering of precious human resources due to insane caste prejudices and selfishness.

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By: Sue, the hopeful http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143780 Sue, the hopeful Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:11:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143780 <p>Through my tears I reflected back to my trip to India, I had the same sick feeling in my stomach as we drove by the "trash villages" tears streamed down my face at that time too. But God made it clear to me that he made us (everyone) his hands and feet on this earth! We are too all pray for the people bound by their caste, and ask him, "what can I do" to make a difference to these amazing individuals. It is not enough to just "wish" it away, or tell yourself, "I can do nothing". We can all make a difference, pray about how God can use you.</p> Through my tears I reflected back to my trip to India, I had the same sick feeling in my stomach as we drove by the “trash villages” tears streamed down my face at that time too. But God made it clear to me that he made us (everyone) his hands and feet on this earth! We are too all pray for the people bound by their caste, and ask him, “what can I do” to make a difference to these amazing individuals. It is not enough to just “wish” it away, or tell yourself, “I can do nothing”. We can all make a difference, pray about how God can use you.

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By: Prema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143779 Prema Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:02:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143779 <p>Tambram:</p> <blockquote>I will give it to you in writing. <b>Caste based violence, discrimination, rape, all of these are very much real in TN</b>. Tamil cinema also does a very graphic and accurate job of depicting these realities.</blockquote> <p>So what the hell have you been arguing about? That rapist landlord obviously thought his raping was a gleeful not a shameful matter since thats how they depict it in your beloved tamil movies. Yet you have been tirelessly insisting that he was merely boasting of rapes not that he and his caste men had actually committed them. Now you admit "in writing" that such casteist rapes are indeed rampant. Isnt that the point of that video? So why are you objecting to it?</p> <p>Those who find "humor" in things like rape must have something seriously twisted in their characters. We see this sickness right here in this thread. That other Tamil Brahmin, Rahul the callous comedian, makes "clever" jokes about rape, untouchability, child slave labor etc and has attracted a number of admirers even. You will also notice that a highly disproportionate number of the most tenacious defenders of casteism and elitism here, who also have the obscene habit of putting down african and hispanic americans, tend to be tamil brahmins.</p> Tambram:

I will give it to you in writing. Caste based violence, discrimination, rape, all of these are very much real in TN. Tamil cinema also does a very graphic and accurate job of depicting these realities.

So what the hell have you been arguing about? That rapist landlord obviously thought his raping was a gleeful not a shameful matter since thats how they depict it in your beloved tamil movies. Yet you have been tirelessly insisting that he was merely boasting of rapes not that he and his caste men had actually committed them. Now you admit “in writing” that such casteist rapes are indeed rampant. Isnt that the point of that video? So why are you objecting to it?

Those who find “humor” in things like rape must have something seriously twisted in their characters. We see this sickness right here in this thread. That other Tamil Brahmin, Rahul the callous comedian, makes “clever” jokes about rape, untouchability, child slave labor etc and has attracted a number of admirers even. You will also notice that a highly disproportionate number of the most tenacious defenders of casteism and elitism here, who also have the obscene habit of putting down african and hispanic americans, tend to be tamil brahmins.

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By: Ravi the Lurker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143765 Ravi the Lurker Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143765 <p>I was disturbed by your "have the balls" comment. False macho refers to men beating women, children, etc. Norma Cantu in an <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=XsM2Fb25DMQC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=muy+macho+cantu&source=web&ots=7cxXzYFG_Q&sig=8g5fR0ZYB_lau2aT6XBwhTOlcs0">romanticized essay on Latino masculinity</a> comes up with:</p> <p>macho: strong enough to feed and protect himself and own family in any cirucmstance. In folk tales, the good macho = man of honor. false macho: puts down women or brualizes them because he is not respcted by the machos (in an attempt to get respect from the brutalized). mandilon: henpecked/whipped</p> <p>By saying <i>not having the balls to "actually rape or grope"</i> where does that put your perspective? Is rape glorified?</p> I was disturbed by your “have the balls” comment. False macho refers to men beating women, children, etc. Norma Cantu in an romanticized essay on Latino masculinity comes up with:

macho: strong enough to feed and protect himself and own family in any cirucmstance. In folk tales, the good macho = man of honor. false macho: puts down women or brualizes them because he is not respcted by the machos (in an attempt to get respect from the brutalized). mandilon: henpecked/whipped

By saying not having the balls to “actually rape or grope” where does that put your perspective? Is rape glorified?

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By: ak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/06/12/but_now_all_my/comment-page-6/#comment-143761 ak Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:58:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4498#comment-143761 <blockquote>BTW, ak, spoiler: the ship sinks.</blockquote> <p>damn you! i said insignificant films. titanic is a modern masterpiece!</p> <p>the clip was interesting. but why does billy zane's character sound like he's from saidapet? and perpetually drunk? they should seriously make this into a half hour show - quite entertaining.</p> BTW, ak, spoiler: the ship sinks.

damn you! i said insignificant films. titanic is a modern masterpiece!

the clip was interesting. but why does billy zane’s character sound like he’s from saidapet? and perpetually drunk? they should seriously make this into a half hour show – quite entertaining.

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