Comments on: Dera Sacha Sauda and the Sikhs of Punjab http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Gurpreet Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-207259 Gurpreet Singh Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:36:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-207259 <p>Dear Friends, Only guru is Shiri Guru Granth Sahib. I am not believe in such kind of gurus. They all are political tattuu. Only believe in Guru Granth Sahib dont go behind such type of people.</p> Dear Friends, Only guru is Shiri Guru Granth Sahib. I am not believe in such kind of gurus. They all are political tattuu. Only believe in Guru Granth Sahib dont go behind such type of people.

]]> By: Ridhima Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-207251 Ridhima Singh Tue, 01 Jul 2008 08:05:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-207251 <p>I am a well to Sikg from a respectable Industrialist family and we are associated with Dera sacha sauda for last 26 years. The Dera chief Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim singh Is a puran sant the True saint of the likes of kabir, Jesus. They promte pace and selfless service and work for poorrest of poor and downtrodden the people whom governments neglect because they have no voice. The dera chief spreads message of love harmony and seva or selflessservice and he leads by example. They have broken guiness book of world record for maximum blood donation in a single camp and day and have maximum eye and organ donation such is the spirit of selfless service propgated by the present guru .The guru only spreads tolerance and rwespect for various religion by quoting for Quran pak, Granth sahib, bible and therefore I begun to respect all religion once I became there follower. The various sikg heads should contemplate that why are they fihgthing aginst one person why are they afraid of him or why do they feel threatened by him because of which they want to stop his satsangs or stop the harmny he is spreading by spreading unrest in his name. For example if he goes somehere why do you insult him and call out dirty things the followers have never retaliated following there guru and only when this stime when the sikhs sorrounded him and few orphan children who were shopping in one mall the one secuirty gueard fired . The dera prinvciples says dont even kill a snake and they value human form because it is abode of god so please dont get sawyed by messages of the so called leaders at SGPC or Dam Dami taksal rather think who is at fault and what threatens them</p> I am a well to Sikg from a respectable Industrialist family and we are associated with Dera sacha sauda for last 26 years. The Dera chief Sant Gurmeet Ram Rahim singh Is a puran sant the True saint of the likes of kabir, Jesus. They promte pace and selfless service and work for poorrest of poor and downtrodden the people whom governments neglect because they have no voice. The dera chief spreads message of love harmony and seva or selflessservice and he leads by example. They have broken guiness book of world record for maximum blood donation in a single camp and day and have maximum eye and organ donation such is the spirit of selfless service propgated by the present guru .The guru only spreads tolerance and rwespect for various religion by quoting for Quran pak, Granth sahib, bible and therefore I begun to respect all religion once I became there follower. The various sikg heads should contemplate that why are they fihgthing aginst one person why are they afraid of him or why do they feel threatened by him because of which they want to stop his satsangs or stop the harmny he is spreading by spreading unrest in his name. For example if he goes somehere why do you insult him and call out dirty things the followers have never retaliated following there guru and only when this stime when the sikhs sorrounded him and few orphan children who were shopping in one mall the one secuirty gueard fired . The dera prinvciples says dont even kill a snake and they value human form because it is abode of god so please dont get sawyed by messages of the so called leaders at SGPC or Dam Dami taksal rather think who is at fault and what threatens them

]]> By: GARY SINGH http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-185484 GARY SINGH Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:08:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-185484 <p>shabad guru was here before existence of sikh religion,hindu muslim and christian prophets gave same shabad to their followers,shabad is not the wording on any holy religion book,this is shabad given by perfect master if we trust on our satguru and pray regularly then then this shabad is able to attach us with dhur ki bani which is inside us.some people says that saint is perfect who attach us with bani absulutly true still some people confused about bani,this bani is not the name of any holy book,pavitar gurbani s pavitar wording give the evidence here NIRMAL NIRMAL TERI BANI GHAT GHAT SUNI HAR GHAT BAKHANI it means that bani is everywhere now you think this holy book is nit everywhere muntains valleys jungals even there r so many coutries there is sikh temple but holy bani says thst bani is everywhere,master who attach us with this bani he is perfect.my true satguru,pita ji is the perfect master in this time,there is no other way to meet god.some people who already had amrit daan from sikh religion they can feel this thing GHAR MEIN GHAR DIKHA DEY SO SATGUR PURKH SUJAN means anyone who make us able to see our real home(sachkhand)in our body he is true satguru</p> shabad guru was here before existence of sikh religion,hindu muslim and christian prophets gave same shabad to their followers,shabad is not the wording on any holy religion book,this is shabad given by perfect master if we trust on our satguru and pray regularly then then this shabad is able to attach us with dhur ki bani which is inside us.some people says that saint is perfect who attach us with bani absulutly true still some people confused about bani,this bani is not the name of any holy book,pavitar gurbani s pavitar wording give the evidence here NIRMAL NIRMAL TERI BANI GHAT GHAT SUNI HAR GHAT BAKHANI it means that bani is everywhere now you think this holy book is nit everywhere muntains valleys jungals even there r so many coutries there is sikh temple but holy bani says thst bani is everywhere,master who attach us with this bani he is perfect.my true satguru,pita ji is the perfect master in this time,there is no other way to meet god.some people who already had amrit daan from sikh religion they can feel this thing GHAR MEIN GHAR DIKHA DEY SO SATGUR PURKH SUJAN means anyone who make us able to see our real home(sachkhand)in our body he is true satguru

]]> By: gary singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-185478 gary singh Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:24:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-185478 <p>brother vishev do you know this thing when guru nanak dev ji used to preach sometime he wear the dress of muslim prophet even evev he was hindu,when this issue came up some people asked guru ji why u put the muslim dress during the satsang then he said basically there is no hindu ,n muslim is real we r one actually sikh people completly lost their way and the preacher in sikh religion add saint with their name,then they explain dnt love saints love only holy gurbani why sikh sangat s sentiments dnt heart that time? holy gurbani gave very high place to saints same as god SANTO KO MAT KOI NINDO SANT RAM HAIH EKO or SAT PURKH KI AARSI SANTI KI HAIH DEH (BODY) LAKHNA JO CHAHE ALKH KO INHI MEIN LAKH LE Body of a perfect master is like a mirror if someone want to see god he/she can see only and only through the mirrir(means through saint) Holy gurbani say that god is formless but perfect master is the body of god means there is no diffeence between god and saint. AAP VICHARE SO PARKHE HIRA EK DRISTI TARE GURU PURA</p> brother vishev do you know this thing when guru nanak dev ji used to preach sometime he wear the dress of muslim prophet even evev he was hindu,when this issue came up some people asked guru ji why u put the muslim dress during the satsang then he said basically there is no hindu ,n muslim is real we r one actually sikh people completly lost their way and the preacher in sikh religion add saint with their name,then they explain dnt love saints love only holy gurbani why sikh sangat s sentiments dnt heart that time? holy gurbani gave very high place to saints same as god SANTO KO MAT KOI NINDO SANT RAM HAIH EKO or SAT PURKH KI AARSI SANTI KI HAIH DEH (BODY) LAKHNA JO CHAHE ALKH KO INHI MEIN LAKH LE Body of a perfect master is like a mirror if someone want to see god he/she can see only and only through the mirrir(means through saint) Holy gurbani say that god is formless but perfect master is the body of god means there is no diffeence between god and saint. AAP VICHARE SO PARKHE HIRA EK DRISTI TARE GURU PURA

]]> By: gary singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-185476 gary singh Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:42:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-185476 <p>hi</p> hi

]]> By: mentos http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-180832 mentos Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:52:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-180832 <p>i agree with the ' a socialist' that there is not even a single preaching of dss which is anti sikh or rather anti hindu, anti muslim taken as a whole. i think dss is being defamed by a few culprit mediamen on the orders of their aakas. i have been going to dss and hav'nt found any thing anti religious. infact it is told there that you should follow ur religion rather that just showing the fake feelings for it.if still any body is having doubt then he/she can personally visit dss and see the reality. thanks</p> i agree with the ‘ a socialist’ that there is not even a single preaching of dss which is anti sikh or rather anti hindu, anti muslim taken as a whole. i think dss is being defamed by a few culprit mediamen on the orders of their aakas. i have been going to dss and hav’nt found any thing anti religious. infact it is told there that you should follow ur religion rather that just showing the fake feelings for it.if still any body is having doubt then he/she can personally visit dss and see the reality. thanks

]]> By: A Sociologist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-169021 A Sociologist Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:54:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-169021 <p>WHY SOME ELEMENTS CLAIMING THEM SIKHS ARE FEELING INSECURED FROM DERA HEAD?</p> <p>This is the question coming again and again into my thoughts. After this dera-sikh dispute, I listened very attentively and with an open mind to the dera satsangs and majlis. Let me tell the truth. Most if not everyone, atleast during the satangs/majlis inside the dera, seem to be at their most well-being state praying/dancing in love far away from hatred against any one. I could never hear, to my understanding of sikh history-traditions-teachings, anything against Sikhism or any other religion. The significance of this truth becomes many folds given that some forces could defame dera in the media very successfuly (almost perfectly). After every 7 days they are repeating Jame Insan ceremony (baptism) for atleast 50,000 followers, every last sunday of month some tens thousands get NAAM (method of meditation). The reason is simple. The dera teachings (as per the teachings of religions including sikhism) make a sense in the society. However, dera has nothing to do with the culture/tradition stuff. They emphasis on the teachings.</p> <p>I feel that this sense of insecurity would not help the community so far as human values are concerned. For example, dera head, when appeared in a dress, looked to be like Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, Punjab Police, could not find any similiarity of this dress to the original Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s dress when examined independenty from Dera head.</p> <p>According to me, Sikhs should not worried/feared from Dera. They are really doing nothing against anyone’s religious sentiments. Many times Dera head was heard preaching Please Follow Your Relgion!</p> WHY SOME ELEMENTS CLAIMING THEM SIKHS ARE FEELING INSECURED FROM DERA HEAD?

This is the question coming again and again into my thoughts. After this dera-sikh dispute, I listened very attentively and with an open mind to the dera satsangs and majlis. Let me tell the truth. Most if not everyone, atleast during the satangs/majlis inside the dera, seem to be at their most well-being state praying/dancing in love far away from hatred against any one. I could never hear, to my understanding of sikh history-traditions-teachings, anything against Sikhism or any other religion. The significance of this truth becomes many folds given that some forces could defame dera in the media very successfuly (almost perfectly). After every 7 days they are repeating Jame Insan ceremony (baptism) for atleast 50,000 followers, every last sunday of month some tens thousands get NAAM (method of meditation). The reason is simple. The dera teachings (as per the teachings of religions including sikhism) make a sense in the society. However, dera has nothing to do with the culture/tradition stuff. They emphasis on the teachings.

I feel that this sense of insecurity would not help the community so far as human values are concerned. For example, dera head, when appeared in a dress, looked to be like Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, Punjab Police, could not find any similiarity of this dress to the original Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s dress when examined independenty from Dera head.

According to me, Sikhs should not worried/feared from Dera. They are really doing nothing against anyone’s religious sentiments. Many times Dera head was heard preaching Please Follow Your Relgion!

]]> By: Rab da banda http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-164800 Rab da banda Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:35:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-164800 <p>Malik de banaye hoye bando,</p> <p>Kuch Hosh Karo. Us malik to daron. Eh comments sirf tuhade hankar te nafrat nu reflect kar rahe han. Eh Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj di sikhya nahi. Ki tusi Guruya di sikhya nu bilkul hi bhul chuke ho apne aap nu khalsa (sab to pawitar) kehlan wale. Oh malik jare jare wich mojud hai te tuhade dil da haal janda hai.</p> <p>Hale wi time hai, apne dil wich prem peda karo. Nahi ta tuhanu pata hi hai… Bada dukh hunda hai Nit-Nem karan to baad wi tusi nafrat di aag wich sadh rahe ho! Please hankar wich aa ke dharam de thekedar na bano. Oh Malik Har Insan wich Wasda hai. Es lyi Kise naal nafrat karni us malik naal nafrat karni hai. Eh hi sade dharam di sikhya hai. Ki Tusi bhul gye????</p> <p>Eh Punjab wich Aurangjebi system nu chalan di koshish na karon. I AM AFRAID OF SENSE OF INSECURITY (IDENTITY CRISIS) AMONGS SIKHS INDICATING THE RISE OF A NEW RELIGION (AS PER THE HISTORY TREND)!</p> Malik de banaye hoye bando,

Kuch Hosh Karo. Us malik to daron. Eh comments sirf tuhade hankar te nafrat nu reflect kar rahe han. Eh Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj di sikhya nahi. Ki tusi Guruya di sikhya nu bilkul hi bhul chuke ho apne aap nu khalsa (sab to pawitar) kehlan wale. Oh malik jare jare wich mojud hai te tuhade dil da haal janda hai.

Hale wi time hai, apne dil wich prem peda karo. Nahi ta tuhanu pata hi hai… Bada dukh hunda hai Nit-Nem karan to baad wi tusi nafrat di aag wich sadh rahe ho! Please hankar wich aa ke dharam de thekedar na bano. Oh Malik Har Insan wich Wasda hai. Es lyi Kise naal nafrat karni us malik naal nafrat karni hai. Eh hi sade dharam di sikhya hai. Ki Tusi bhul gye????

Eh Punjab wich Aurangjebi system nu chalan di koshish na karon. I AM AFRAID OF SENSE OF INSECURITY (IDENTITY CRISIS) AMONGS SIKHS INDICATING THE RISE OF A NEW RELIGION (AS PER THE HISTORY TREND)!

]]> By: vishav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-150444 vishav Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:36:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-150444 <p>It is not allowed in Sikhism that anyone can dress, act, copy like Gurus in real life, dramas or movies. And if someone does so it is considered to be a mockery. Who the hell is this Baba then. This is how it is . And also people should not comment on how Sikhs reacted and how it is not offensive to dress like Gurus. First do some homework about a religion , get some info and then think and comment or you wud end up in trouble like this BABA. I guess it shud b clear now.</p> It is not allowed in Sikhism that anyone can dress, act, copy like Gurus in real life, dramas or movies. And if someone does so it is considered to be a mockery. Who the hell is this Baba then. This is how it is . And also people should not comment on how Sikhs reacted and how it is not offensive to dress like Gurus. First do some homework about a religion , get some info and then think and comment or you wud end up in trouble like this BABA. I guess it shud b clear now.

]]> By: gian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/24/dera_sacha_saud/comment-page-3/#comment-147118 gian Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:06:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4461#comment-147118 <p>reading above all , i just request all people please pray to god and discuss with your family members and friends to bring peace not only to india but also to whole world. you are the one can bring peace to this world. true dera followers and true sikh followers , and all others please help each other to bring peace on this earth, this caste system in india is a production of somebody who did not knew that it will create problem in world . <b>HE ALSO SHOULD BE FORGIVEN, GOD KNOWS WHO IS LOW WHO IS HIGH</b>. We all try to help each other then this world will be more safe and as good as heaven on this earth.</p> reading above all , i just request all people please pray to god and discuss with your family members and friends to bring peace not only to india but also to whole world. you are the one can bring peace to this world. true dera followers and true sikh followers , and all others please help each other to bring peace on this earth, this caste system in india is a production of somebody who did not knew that it will create problem in world . HE ALSO SHOULD BE FORGIVEN, GOD KNOWS WHO IS LOW WHO IS HIGH. We all try to help each other then this world will be more safe and as good as heaven on this earth.

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