note, it is on the internet, so you should be able to find it.

moron, you do understand the concept that just because you believe x does not mean that that is determinative that others believe x? this ability to model ‘false beliefs’ in the minds of others is a common feature of our species.

Lol. This is hilarious. So genius since John Adams was one of the first 6 american presidents, that must mean you do not consider him an orthodox christian, right? So what the heck are you arguing so childishly and stubbornly about? Isnt that exactly what I said in the first place? Talk about “moron”…

moron, why the recourse toward insulting adjectives to make an argument? did you use thesaurus features on answers.com? ah, the wages of a low IQ….

Pathetic. According to this pretentious ignoramus Abigail Adam’s declaration that Unitarianism was the true “orthodox” christianity decides that it must have been so! Anyone who has a clue knows that the opposite is the case. Again you reveal your complete ignorance of the Nicene Creed which is the foundation of christian orthodoxy. Here, educate yourself

http://www.answers.com/topic/nicene-creed

” Nicene Creed: Ecumenical Christian statement of faith accepted by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and major Protestant churches.”

“A formal statement of doctrine of the Christian faith adopted at the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325 to defend orthodoxy from Arianism and expanded in later councils.”

Note that Arianism, like Unitarianism, rejected the orthodox christian Trinity; and was considered anathema by the church.

The Nicene Creed establishes belief in the Divinity of Jesus as a core belief of christian orthodoxy:

“We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God”

It received its death-blow in the execution of Servetus, who was a Spaniard, but the ablest and most dangerous antitrinitarian.

a typical moron would think that this meant that unitarianism wasn’t a big force after the life of servetus (early 16th century). look at the subsequent history of unitarianism in transylvania (well after servetus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism#Transylvania_and_Hungary

and note the connection between calvinism and unitarianism in the lives of prominent figures. life ain’t so simple moron as your first-book-of-religion sketches.

the point in my critique of you moron is that yes, you are right that evangelical christians make up history when none of the first 6 presidents would be considered orthodox christians by them (and including you and i, moron). but, there was a wide range of beliefs and attitudes toward christianity by the founders. it is no coincidence that despite his nominal unitarianism john quincy adams was attracted to trinitarianism and orthodox christianity of his day. his parents were self-identified christians who were considerably less hostile to the faith than thomas jefferson, who was also inclined toward unitarianism (in 1800 john adams was the assumed ‘christian’ candidate vs. jefferson). the point is that if you are going to make a case as the one you above you open yourself up for selectivity and critique at the hands of non-morons who actually know this junk from things called books (speaking of books, there’s a little one called the reformation published recently which would enlighten you on a lot of these issues). your diatribes are generally right or wrong, obviously, but also invariably manichaean and stark in their gross simplicity. luckily there aren’t many people out there to slap away your rotten low hanging fruit. but it really sucks when people agree with you but have to jump in after you’ve demonized the opposition like they’re apparitions from the lowest levels of h*ll. not cool. stupid even. go ask some of the people who agree with you on what they thing of your modus. your arguments are black and vile, as everyone knows.

Lol. Unitarianism is orthodox christianity! Unitarianism is derived from Calvinism! shouts the clueless “genius”. You got screws loose in your demented brain pal. Unitarians were burned alive as heretics by Calvinists and this nut is calling them religious kinsmen! That many Calvinists became Unitarians does not mean that the religious ideology of the latter was derived from the former, for they had antithetical core beliefs in the nature of Divinity and Salvation.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc8.iv.xv.x.html?bcb=0

“Socinianism, as a system of theology, has largely affected the theology of orthodox Protestantism on the Continent during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and was succeeded by modern Unitarianism, which has exerted considerable influence on the thought and literature of England and America in the nineteenth century. It forms the extreme left wing of Protestantism, and the antipode to Calvinism.”

“It is chiefly due to Calvin’s and Bullinger’s influence that Unitarianism, which began to undermine orthodoxy, and to unsettle the Churches, was banished from Switzerland. It received its death-blow in the execution of Servetus, who was a Spaniard, but the ablest and most dangerous antitrinitarian.”

and moron, didn’t they teach you to watch h-e-double-hockey-sticks when speaking of g-d?

Thats really funny coming from the genius who responded to my comment: “Many others were Unitarians who rejected the core christian concepts of Trinity and salvation through blood sacrifice.”, with this nonsense showing his vaunted “english comprehension”:

john & abigail adams thought that the athanasian formula of the trinity was a magical-pagan debasement of orthodox christianity. such nonsense, you omit and elide!

How the hell does that disprove the fact that Unitarians rejected the orthodox christian belief in the Holy Trinity? Unitarianism is anti-Trinitarianism by definition. Did John Adams believe that Jesus was God or didnt he? As a Unitarian obviously he didnt. That puts him squarely in the un-orthodox camp, regardless of whether he claimed his version of christianity was the true one or not. Thats not how you define orthodoxy. The fact that you are even debating this shows who the “moron” is