Comments on: Mosque Attacked in Hyderabad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: circus in jungle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-139522 circus in jungle Sat, 26 May 2007 20:16:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-139522 <p>It's time for the authorities to stop blaming Muslims for everything and look at extremists within the Hindu community. <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/may/26hydblast.htm">Right!!!</a></p> It’s time for the authorities to stop blaming Muslims for everything and look at extremists within the Hindu community. Right!!!

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137876 jyotsana Sun, 20 May 2007 11:35:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137876 <p>The situation is spinning out of control. I hope sanity returns ASAP. Last year following the Sankat Mochan Mandir massacre in Varanasi when scores were killed, groups of Hindus and Muslims visited one another's shrines to join pujas and azaans. You then still had Bismillah Khan to lend a touch of peace, tranquility, and goodsense. And the Sankat Mochan purohit, a professor at BHU quickly dispersed reoublemakers and brought the entire situation under control. No such thing seems to be happening here. Unfortunate. The terrorists shd not be alowed to succeed</p> <p>Here's the Reuters report in the NYT <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3bck77"> Mob Stones India Police After Rites for Muslims Killed in Mosque Blast</p> <p>HYDERABAD, India, May 19 (Reuters) — At least two policemen were injured here on Saturday when a mob pelted them with stones after the burial of victims of an explosion at a mosque and of violent clashes that ensued...Hundreds of people were returning Saturday after burying the dead when they started stoning police officers who had escorted them to the burial ground.</p> <p>The officers fired eight rounds in the air and used tear gas to disperse the mob.</p> <p>“Beat the police,” “Allah is great,” the protesters chanted...The police fanned out in Muslim-dominated quarters of the city to prevent a repeat of the riots that unfolded after the blast, when the estimated 8,000 worshippers in the mosque poured out and attacked anything that came their way.</a></p> The situation is spinning out of control. I hope sanity returns ASAP. Last year following the Sankat Mochan Mandir massacre in Varanasi when scores were killed, groups of Hindus and Muslims visited one another’s shrines to join pujas and azaans. You then still had Bismillah Khan to lend a touch of peace, tranquility, and goodsense. And the Sankat Mochan purohit, a professor at BHU quickly dispersed reoublemakers and brought the entire situation under control. No such thing seems to be happening here. Unfortunate. The terrorists shd not be alowed to succeed

Here’s the Reuters report in the NYT Mob Stones India Police After Rites for Muslims Killed in Mosque Blast

HYDERABAD, India, May 19 (Reuters) — At least two policemen were injured here on Saturday when a mob pelted them with stones after the burial of victims of an explosion at a mosque and of violent clashes that ensued…Hundreds of people were returning Saturday after burying the dead when they started stoning police officers who had escorted them to the burial ground.

The officers fired eight rounds in the air and used tear gas to disperse the mob.

“Beat the police,” “Allah is great,” the protesters chanted…The police fanned out in Muslim-dominated quarters of the city to prevent a repeat of the riots that unfolded after the blast, when the estimated 8,000 worshippers in the mosque poured out and attacked anything that came their way.

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By: James http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137855 James Sun, 20 May 2007 04:03:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137855 <p>It's time for the authorities to stop blaming Muslims for everything and look at extremists within the Hindu community.</p> It’s time for the authorities to stop blaming Muslims for everything and look at extremists within the Hindu community.

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By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137850 Samir Sun, 20 May 2007 02:03:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137850 <blockquote>a constable earn atleast Rs 8000 p/m. That's pretty decent when you compare that with what others earn.</blockquote> <p>Thats still not enough for a middle class existence in a city like Bombay. Most cops there live in slums and might have the local gangster as their neighbour or even a childhood friend.</p> a constable earn atleast Rs 8000 p/m. That’s pretty decent when you compare that with what others earn.

Thats still not enough for a middle class existence in a city like Bombay. Most cops there live in slums and might have the local gangster as their neighbour or even a childhood friend.

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By: lurker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137847 lurker Sun, 20 May 2007 01:42:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137847 <blockquote>Prevented attacks don't make news. Intelligence at least knew that an attack was coming in this case.</blockquote> <p>and unfortunately, the attack still succeeded in this case partly because of the following:</p> <blockquote>Minority Affairs Minister Mohammed Ali Shabbir said that the police had withdrawn surveillance cameras and horse-mounted police which were deployed near Mecca Masjid every Friday on the request of Muslim elected representatives and religious leaders as they alleged that Muslims coming to prayers were being frisked and checked as if they were unsocial elements. <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/may/19hydblast10.htm">link</a></blockquote> Prevented attacks don’t make news. Intelligence at least knew that an attack was coming in this case.

and unfortunately, the attack still succeeded in this case partly because of the following:

Minority Affairs Minister Mohammed Ali Shabbir said that the police had withdrawn surveillance cameras and horse-mounted police which were deployed near Mecca Masjid every Friday on the request of Muslim elected representatives and religious leaders as they alleged that Muslims coming to prayers were being frisked and checked as if they were unsocial elements. link
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By: Vishal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137824 Vishal Sat, 19 May 2007 22:53:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137824 <p>I've done a bit of research on Hindu-Muslim violence in Hyderabad, and even though there's always talk of ISI influence, there's really very little evidence to support any of it. IMO, the vast majority is just baseless speculation by some Hindus who feel that the old-city Muslims do not identify with India or Hyderabad, but rather with Pakistan (and therefore must have ISI ties, as the reasoning often goes). There is, however, a decent amount of evidence that points to state and city-wide political elements as being responsible for starting them. Hyderabad was pretty riot free after independence, prior to the late 1970s... that was when politicians got involved in the religious festivals (e.g. Ganesh Chaturthi) and started organizing massive processions, instead of the traditional small ones, intentionally through the old city banging drums and shouting anti-Muslim slogans provocatively in front of mosques, etc. Meanwhile, Muslim politicians from the MIM (the Muslim-interest party that is today still in control of the Hyderabad parliamentary seat) started organizing their own processions to random festivals around the same time as Ganesh Chaturthi that had never needed processions before, and the result was confrontation and occasionally violence, often organized or abetted by the politicians themselves. During the period b/w '78 and '84, both the BJP and MIM gained massively at the elections at the expense of Congress and the Telugu Desam Party amidst a lot of rioting as both communities became more fearful of the other. This effect happened again after the massive riots in Hyd. in '90...post #62 was right about the riots in '90 - people believe that then CM Chenna Reddy's rivals in Congress wanted to bring him down and intentionally caused trouble in the old city (one source for this is Varshney's Ethnic Conflict and Civic Life)...but, the effect was that the MIM and BJP both gained at the polls and have finished one-two in the parliamentary seat elections ever since. Anyway, there's a lot I can say about this topic if I get carried away...my point is, Hyderabadi history over the past 40 years points to political interests as being responsible for trying to polarize the public and get Hindus and Muslims to hate each other and vote in bloc (I have numbers that show just how effective this has been)... i don't think there has ever been a bomb before, though, so this could be a break from the past...</p> I’ve done a bit of research on Hindu-Muslim violence in Hyderabad, and even though there’s always talk of ISI influence, there’s really very little evidence to support any of it. IMO, the vast majority is just baseless speculation by some Hindus who feel that the old-city Muslims do not identify with India or Hyderabad, but rather with Pakistan (and therefore must have ISI ties, as the reasoning often goes). There is, however, a decent amount of evidence that points to state and city-wide political elements as being responsible for starting them. Hyderabad was pretty riot free after independence, prior to the late 1970s… that was when politicians got involved in the religious festivals (e.g. Ganesh Chaturthi) and started organizing massive processions, instead of the traditional small ones, intentionally through the old city banging drums and shouting anti-Muslim slogans provocatively in front of mosques, etc. Meanwhile, Muslim politicians from the MIM (the Muslim-interest party that is today still in control of the Hyderabad parliamentary seat) started organizing their own processions to random festivals around the same time as Ganesh Chaturthi that had never needed processions before, and the result was confrontation and occasionally violence, often organized or abetted by the politicians themselves. During the period b/w ’78 and ’84, both the BJP and MIM gained massively at the elections at the expense of Congress and the Telugu Desam Party amidst a lot of rioting as both communities became more fearful of the other. This effect happened again after the massive riots in Hyd. in ’90…post #62 was right about the riots in ’90 – people believe that then CM Chenna Reddy’s rivals in Congress wanted to bring him down and intentionally caused trouble in the old city (one source for this is Varshney’s Ethnic Conflict and Civic Life)…but, the effect was that the MIM and BJP both gained at the polls and have finished one-two in the parliamentary seat elections ever since. Anyway, there’s a lot I can say about this topic if I get carried away…my point is, Hyderabadi history over the past 40 years points to political interests as being responsible for trying to polarize the public and get Hindus and Muslims to hate each other and vote in bloc (I have numbers that show just how effective this has been)… i don’t think there has ever been a bomb before, though, so this could be a break from the past…

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By: brahmin suar abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137808 brahmin suar abhi Sat, 19 May 2007 21:25:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137808 <p>question to beavis caste desis: when was the last time Hindus in Bangladesh threw stones and rioted at police?</p> question to beavis caste desis: when was the last time Hindus in Bangladesh threw stones and rioted at police?

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By: louiecyper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137804 louiecyper Sat, 19 May 2007 20:15:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137804 <blockquote>This is the Basic Pay, govt. employess typically get what is called Dearness Allowance (don't know what that means) plus other allowances that would make a constable earn atleast Rs 8000 p/m. That's pretty decent when you compare that with what others earn.</blockquote> <p>Just so you know, I am in partial agreement. Whatever cops are paid, we should expect them not to steal, carry out vendettas based on their caste/religious affiliation, extort, harass women..this is a given. But for competency in handling things beyond the mundane(i.e. petty theft, domestic violence, homicide while drunk on country liquor)and handling something of national (and possibly internatl) import, recruiters will have to offer more than $2,400 per annum to draw people away from call centers & other BCOMM degree holder type jobs that are now offering upwards of $4k a year. I would like to see the same type of professionalism depicted in the TV show Dragnet...."Just the facts bhen/begum". Basically someone with the demeanor of an IBM account exec but with a gun and lathi and some CSI type skills. Anyway this is a whole other thread, I hope state/central government/judiciary and handle this professionally and deliver justice for the victims, whoever the villain in this case may be.</p> This is the Basic Pay, govt. employess typically get what is called Dearness Allowance (don’t know what that means) plus other allowances that would make a constable earn atleast Rs 8000 p/m. That’s pretty decent when you compare that with what others earn.

Just so you know, I am in partial agreement. Whatever cops are paid, we should expect them not to steal, carry out vendettas based on their caste/religious affiliation, extort, harass women..this is a given. But for competency in handling things beyond the mundane(i.e. petty theft, domestic violence, homicide while drunk on country liquor)and handling something of national (and possibly internatl) import, recruiters will have to offer more than $2,400 per annum to draw people away from call centers & other BCOMM degree holder type jobs that are now offering upwards of $4k a year. I would like to see the same type of professionalism depicted in the TV show Dragnet….”Just the facts bhen/begum”. Basically someone with the demeanor of an IBM account exec but with a gun and lathi and some CSI type skills. Anyway this is a whole other thread, I hope state/central government/judiciary and handle this professionally and deliver justice for the victims, whoever the villain in this case may be.

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137796 Ponniyin Selvan Sat, 19 May 2007 19:22:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137796 <blockquote>Wrong.. On official salary alone local low level cops won't be able to lead middle class existence in cities. They are willing to take those positions because they can supplement their official salary with bribes. </blockquote> <p>You should first define "middle class existence". I can tell you that there are literally hundreds of thousands of youth who can take the job with the same salary as it is offered now if these cops decide to quit for economic reasons. Do you know the pay scale?. http://cbi.nic.in/Recruitments/RecruitmentRules.htm</p> <blockquote>HEAD CONSTABLE Group C Sanctioned Strength: 459 Pay Scale: Rs.3200-85-4900/- Forty percent posts of Head Constables are filled up by promotion by seniority-cum-fitness basis of the Constables with at least 5 years’ regular service the grade in CBI. Forty percent posts are filled up through Limited Departmental Competitive Examination. Remaining twenty percent are filled up by deputation/absorption. CONSTABLE Group C Sanctioned Strength: 1808 Pay Scale: Rs.3050-75-3950-80-4590/- Forty percent posts of Constables are filled up by direct recruitment. Remaining sixty percent posts are filled up by deputation/absorption. The direct recruitment of Constables in CBI, is made on centralized basis by CBI Head Office. Their selection is made by the Committee constituted by the Director, CBI. </blockquote> <p>This is the Basic Pay, govt. employess typically get what is called Dearness Allowance (don't know what that means) plus other allowances that would make a constable earn atleast Rs 8000 p/m. That's pretty decent when you compare that with what others earn.</p> Wrong.. On official salary alone local low level cops won’t be able to lead middle class existence in cities. They are willing to take those positions because they can supplement their official salary with bribes.

You should first define “middle class existence”. I can tell you that there are literally hundreds of thousands of youth who can take the job with the same salary as it is offered now if these cops decide to quit for economic reasons. Do you know the pay scale?. http://cbi.nic.in/Recruitments/RecruitmentRules.htm

HEAD CONSTABLE Group C Sanctioned Strength: 459 Pay Scale: Rs.3200-85-4900/- Forty percent posts of Head Constables are filled up by promotion by seniority-cum-fitness basis of the Constables with at least 5 years’ regular service the grade in CBI. Forty percent posts are filled up through Limited Departmental Competitive Examination. Remaining twenty percent are filled up by deputation/absorption. CONSTABLE Group C Sanctioned Strength: 1808 Pay Scale: Rs.3050-75-3950-80-4590/- Forty percent posts of Constables are filled up by direct recruitment. Remaining sixty percent posts are filled up by deputation/absorption. The direct recruitment of Constables in CBI, is made on centralized basis by CBI Head Office. Their selection is made by the Committee constituted by the Director, CBI.

This is the Basic Pay, govt. employess typically get what is called Dearness Allowance (don’t know what that means) plus other allowances that would make a constable earn atleast Rs 8000 p/m. That’s pretty decent when you compare that with what others earn.

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By: circus in jungle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/18/mosque_attacked/comment-page-2/#comment-137785 circus in jungle Sat, 19 May 2007 18:08:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4448#comment-137785 <blockquote>Wrong.. Government officials in India earn enough to lead a good existence. That's why you see people who have master's degree lining up to take police constable exams. There are thousands of people who can take the job if these folks resign due to economic reasons. </blockquote> <p>Wrong.. On official salary alone <i>local low level cops</i> won't be able to lead middle class existence in cities. They are willing to take those positions because they can supplement their official salary with bribes.</p> Wrong.. Government officials in India earn enough to lead a good existence. That’s why you see people who have master’s degree lining up to take police constable exams. There are thousands of people who can take the job if these folks resign due to economic reasons.

Wrong.. On official salary alone local low level cops won’t be able to lead middle class existence in cities. They are willing to take those positions because they can supplement their official salary with bribes.

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