Comments on: "Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia" http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: t-hype http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-2/#comment-137034 t-hype Wed, 16 May 2007 22:41:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-137034 <p>Don't believe the hype <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004437.html#comment136613">NK</a> . Seafaring men of all races have quite the reputation for leaving descendents.</p> <p>Ship Ahoy.... Ship Ahoy Americans are arriving Midst the hubbub of the quay There are tears of joy Fugitive crystals Lighting up the women's eyes. All have passed by -Chinese, negroes, Americans, Dutchmen- All have passed by and casually left their race in the bellies of the harlots of the port. [<a href="http://www.umassd.edu/specialprograms/caboverde/whale.html">link</a>]</p> <p>There were African immigrants in New England from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Verdean_immigration_in_the_United_States">the early 1800's</a> if not earlier and they were concentrated in the very seaport areas that the lascars would have frequented. So, anything's possible.</p> Don’t believe the hype NK . Seafaring men of all races have quite the reputation for leaving descendents.

Ship Ahoy…. Ship Ahoy Americans are arriving Midst the hubbub of the quay There are tears of joy Fugitive crystals Lighting up the women’s eyes. All have passed by -Chinese, negroes, Americans, Dutchmen- All have passed by and casually left their race in the bellies of the harlots of the port. [link]

There were African immigrants in New England from the early 1800′s if not earlier and they were concentrated in the very seaport areas that the lascars would have frequented. So, anything’s possible.

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By: sloppyjoe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-2/#comment-136873 sloppyjoe Wed, 16 May 2007 17:55:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136873 <blockquote>Branch Dravidian, I think the above "advise" is completely BOGUS in my humble opinion. </blockquote> <p>Don't listen to RC, best to err on the side of caution and cut down on the shrimp po'boys until you know you haven't inherited Tamil arteries. If you've inherited French/Cajun genes, party on my fortunate Gallic-Dravidian friend laissez le bon temps rouler.</p> <blockquote>SM should host a contest to seek out desis with the longest ago Indian-come-to-America blood. And the winner of the contest will get a....pat on the back? Seriously, though, it would be fascinating to learn more about the stories of some of these decendants.</blockquote> <p>Back on topic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananda_Coomaraswamy">Ananda K. Coomaraswamy</a> was an early, i.e. before 1917, desi immigrant (part Sri Lankan Tamil & part English) in the US. He was a philosopher and curator at Boston Museum of Fine Arts.</p> Branch Dravidian, I think the above “advise” is completely BOGUS in my humble opinion.

Don’t listen to RC, best to err on the side of caution and cut down on the shrimp po’boys until you know you haven’t inherited Tamil arteries. If you’ve inherited French/Cajun genes, party on my fortunate Gallic-Dravidian friend laissez le bon temps rouler.

SM should host a contest to seek out desis with the longest ago Indian-come-to-America blood. And the winner of the contest will get a….pat on the back? Seriously, though, it would be fascinating to learn more about the stories of some of these decendants.

Back on topic Ananda K. Coomaraswamy was an early, i.e. before 1917, desi immigrant (part Sri Lankan Tamil & part English) in the US. He was a philosopher and curator at Boston Museum of Fine Arts.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-2/#comment-136714 RC Wed, 16 May 2007 03:10:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136714 <blockquote>If you don't show any external signs of desiness, you may have some internal ones. Be sure to be extra carefull with respect to cardio health, a skinny Indian is more at risk than an obese Euro-American. Hate to be a downer, but I was given the same advice and want to spread the gloom</blockquote> <p>Branch Dravidian, I think the above "advise" is completely BOGUS in my humble opinion. You dont look anything Desi because you are not completely Desi. So wouldnt you get any traits (I say most) from your european side of ancestory?? The whole logic of suggesting that you are at same a cardiological health risk as an FOB like me who has come from the "Des" into this completely different weather with totally different lifestyle, is as ABSURD as any comparison can be. So congrats on your healthy teeth (it is a sign of good eating habits which is an indicator of good health) and look forward to a long healthy life (without cardio risks).</p> If you don’t show any external signs of desiness, you may have some internal ones. Be sure to be extra carefull with respect to cardio health, a skinny Indian is more at risk than an obese Euro-American. Hate to be a downer, but I was given the same advice and want to spread the gloom

Branch Dravidian, I think the above “advise” is completely BOGUS in my humble opinion. You dont look anything Desi because you are not completely Desi. So wouldnt you get any traits (I say most) from your european side of ancestory?? The whole logic of suggesting that you are at same a cardiological health risk as an FOB like me who has come from the “Des” into this completely different weather with totally different lifestyle, is as ABSURD as any comparison can be. So congrats on your healthy teeth (it is a sign of good eating habits which is an indicator of good health) and look forward to a long healthy life (without cardio risks).

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By: chachaji http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-2/#comment-136683 chachaji Wed, 16 May 2007 01:51:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136683 <p>Very nice link, thanks Uma!</p> <p>And all the pictures in <a href="http://www.annumatthew.com/Portfolios/Indian/Indian.html">this part</a> of her gallery - are of herself, in poses corresponding to those she saw in earlier-taken pictures of 'American Indians', featured side by side - and they are all <b>Sepia</b>-toned! Perhaps an 'homage' to a certain website we know and love (?) :) Very nice indeed.</p> Very nice link, thanks Uma!

And all the pictures in this part of her gallery – are of herself, in poses corresponding to those she saw in earlier-taken pictures of ‘American Indians’, featured side by side – and they are all Sepia-toned! Perhaps an ‘homage’ to a certain website we know and love (?) :) Very nice indeed.

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By: Uma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-1/#comment-136679 Uma Wed, 16 May 2007 01:38:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136679 <h1>24</h1> <blockquote>It really annoys me that people refer to Native Americans as Indians. We are the Indians. </blockquote> <p>Names change significance over time to the people who use them. Many Native tribes call themselves American Indians today, as opposed to Native Americans, which they see as a PC term invented by academics who were mostly white.</p> <p>An artist friend, Marguerite Houle, and I spoke together at a conference earlier this year. (She's Huron/Metis from the Great Lakes Area, now lives in New Mexico; and I'm desi, born in India, now live in NM). Our talk was titled "Indian to Indian" and was about humor in picture books (as in we need more of it!)</p> <p>Photographer <a href="http://www.annumatthew.com/">Annu Palakunnathu Matthew</a> has a cool exploration of stereotypes in imagery of "Indians" (them, with us as the "other") on her web site.</p> 24
It really annoys me that people refer to Native Americans as Indians. We are the Indians.

Names change significance over time to the people who use them. Many Native tribes call themselves American Indians today, as opposed to Native Americans, which they see as a PC term invented by academics who were mostly white.

An artist friend, Marguerite Houle, and I spoke together at a conference earlier this year. (She’s Huron/Metis from the Great Lakes Area, now lives in New Mexico; and I’m desi, born in India, now live in NM). Our talk was titled “Indian to Indian” and was about humor in picture books (as in we need more of it!)

Photographer Annu Palakunnathu Matthew has a cool exploration of stereotypes in imagery of “Indians” (them, with us as the “other”) on her web site.

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By: noblekinsman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-1/#comment-136613 noblekinsman Tue, 15 May 2007 22:56:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136613 <p>"I wonder what happened to the descendants of all of these early immigrants. I wonder if any of their descendents knew about their Indian ancestry when encountering the large new waves of immigrants since the 1960s."</p> <p>Men can't make descendants by themselves. In California, some punjabis married mexicans. These east coast people were probably not even migrants but worked on ships. They wouldn't have left any descendents in the U.S.</p> “I wonder what happened to the descendants of all of these early immigrants. I wonder if any of their descendents knew about their Indian ancestry when encountering the large new waves of immigrants since the 1960s.”

Men can’t make descendants by themselves. In California, some punjabis married mexicans. These east coast people were probably not even migrants but worked on ships. They wouldn’t have left any descendents in the U.S.

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By: proud indian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-1/#comment-136610 proud indian Tue, 15 May 2007 22:50:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136610 <p>Why don't people refer to Filipinos as Spaniards? The difference between them is similar to the differences between Indians and the "West Indians." While there are people of Indian descent in Guyana, Jamaica and Trinidad who retain some aspects of Indian culture such as the food, their culture and attitude has evolved and become more similar to the native Caribbean folk - a sharp contrast from NRI Indians in the US or UK.</p> Why don’t people refer to Filipinos as Spaniards? The difference between them is similar to the differences between Indians and the “West Indians.” While there are people of Indian descent in Guyana, Jamaica and Trinidad who retain some aspects of Indian culture such as the food, their culture and attitude has evolved and become more similar to the native Caribbean folk – a sharp contrast from NRI Indians in the US or UK.

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By: DynaMix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-1/#comment-136605 DynaMix Tue, 15 May 2007 22:39:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136605 <p>"Indian slaves"/"coolies" worked all over, ESPECIALLY in the Caribbean/West Indes...to the poster who said most West Indians aren't even Indian, it really depends on where you're talking about...you are technically correct, but in countries like Guyana, Indian Guyanese outnumber the African Guyanese...in Trinidad, its about 50/50, even in counties like Jamaica, Indians are the major minority (20%)...my family is from Guyana, its obvious Guyanese Indians have far more influence and impact as a minority in the Caribbean than blacks or hispanics do in the US... They just choose not to identify themselves as seperately as Americans tend do...while everybody in the US is "african american" or "asian american" you rarely see people in the West Indes call themsleves "Indian Trini, African Trini" and the like (unless its in the form of political struggle of course)...they are just all Caribbean folk...and very proud of that... To any West Indians out there, yall know what I am talking bout - we don't feel the connection to India other NRIs do as we have been away from it for a LONG time...and also because of the big elephant in the room - the simple fact that the average Indian has no knowledge of, or doesn't care about the fact that it exported its own people into "legal slavery." I am also a DJ, and I've done a couple Indian/Guyanese weddings, and the two sides ALWAYS clash when together...so its funny to see an (East) Indian site do stories like this as if this part of the diaspora is connected to India in some meaningful way...no disrespect, but that connection was severed quite some time ago...</p> “Indian slaves”/”coolies” worked all over, ESPECIALLY in the Caribbean/West Indes…to the poster who said most West Indians aren’t even Indian, it really depends on where you’re talking about…you are technically correct, but in countries like Guyana, Indian Guyanese outnumber the African Guyanese…in Trinidad, its about 50/50, even in counties like Jamaica, Indians are the major minority (20%)…my family is from Guyana, its obvious Guyanese Indians have far more influence and impact as a minority in the Caribbean than blacks or hispanics do in the US… They just choose not to identify themselves as seperately as Americans tend do…while everybody in the US is “african american” or “asian american” you rarely see people in the West Indes call themsleves “Indian Trini, African Trini” and the like (unless its in the form of political struggle of course)…they are just all Caribbean folk…and very proud of that… To any West Indians out there, yall know what I am talking bout – we don’t feel the connection to India other NRIs do as we have been away from it for a LONG time…and also because of the big elephant in the room – the simple fact that the average Indian has no knowledge of, or doesn’t care about the fact that it exported its own people into “legal slavery.” I am also a DJ, and I’ve done a couple Indian/Guyanese weddings, and the two sides ALWAYS clash when together…so its funny to see an (East) Indian site do stories like this as if this part of the diaspora is connected to India in some meaningful way…no disrespect, but that connection was severed quite some time ago…

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-1/#comment-136584 Amrita Tue, 15 May 2007 22:06:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136584 <blockquote> and a remarkable set of fine white teeth This is the FIRST thing that popped into my mind. </blockquote> <p>Oh yeah, Abhi? And what about Sanjaya?</p> and a remarkable set of fine white teeth This is the FIRST thing that popped into my mind.

Oh yeah, Abhi? And what about Sanjaya?

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By: The Jolly Bengali http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/14/welcome_to_amer/comment-page-1/#comment-136583 The Jolly Bengali Tue, 15 May 2007 22:06:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4437#comment-136583 <p>This is quite interesting...</p> This is quite interesting…

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