Comments on: Blood and Tears http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Shelton http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-155273 Shelton Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:24:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-155273 <p>Please show the concerned Photographs of the cities mentioned in Google, I write the city name and look for the historical pictures of the city but instead all different kinds of snaps and places are shown which does not match the same city and the main thing is what we are looking for is not shown. Have that corrected and sent it to Google so that in Pakistan we can see our country and where what is, and get some knowledge about it.</p> <p>Regards</p> <p>Shelton</p> Please show the concerned Photographs of the cities mentioned in Google, I write the city name and look for the historical pictures of the city but instead all different kinds of snaps and places are shown which does not match the same city and the main thing is what we are looking for is not shown. Have that corrected and sent it to Google so that in Pakistan we can see our country and where what is, and get some knowledge about it.

Regards

Shelton

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-137072 Neena Thu, 17 May 2007 00:32:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-137072 <blockquote>I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented "Islam in danger" slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start. </blockquote> <p>Rural Sindhis were illiterate since forever; read <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004440.html#comment137061">this comment </a> submitted at other thread.</p> I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented “Islam in danger” slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start.

Rural Sindhis were illiterate since forever; read this comment submitted at other thread.

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-137071 Neena Thu, 17 May 2007 00:32:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-137071 <blockquote>I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented "Islam in danger" slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start. </blockquote> <p>Rural Sindhis were illiterate since always read <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004440.html#comment137061">this comment </a> submitted at other thread.</p> I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented “Islam in danger” slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start.

Rural Sindhis were illiterate since always read this comment submitted at other thread.

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By: Chocopologie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-137011 Chocopologie Wed, 16 May 2007 21:54:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-137011 <p>I agree with Sin. I could argue the point against Selvan's inappropriate judgement to death . However, we all don't want to waste our time like barking dogs.</p> <p>It would also be nice to keep the 'real working class immigrants' separate from the party politics and their agenda. Passing blanket statements like Selvan did above shows ignorance on his/her/it's behalf towards the issue and the abysmal state of awareness amongst the masses at best. Ironically, I find it a travesty that we still racialize the "immigrants" around the world. Immigration is not a new phenomena and an ever increasing trend. Human tendency is to always search for brighter tomorrow......to blame the naturalized immigrants by 1) still eyeing them as foreign/immigrants therefore not eligible for same native rights as other citizens and 2) blaming them for all that is wrong with your tiny little self-immersed world is screaming sour grapes.</p> I agree with Sin. I could argue the point against Selvan’s inappropriate judgement to death . However, we all don’t want to waste our time like barking dogs.

It would also be nice to keep the ‘real working class immigrants’ separate from the party politics and their agenda. Passing blanket statements like Selvan did above shows ignorance on his/her/it’s behalf towards the issue and the abysmal state of awareness amongst the masses at best. Ironically, I find it a travesty that we still racialize the “immigrants” around the world. Immigration is not a new phenomena and an ever increasing trend. Human tendency is to always search for brighter tomorrow……to blame the naturalized immigrants by 1) still eyeing them as foreign/immigrants therefore not eligible for same native rights as other citizens and 2) blaming them for all that is wrong with your tiny little self-immersed world is screaming sour grapes.

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-136877 Neena Wed, 16 May 2007 18:14:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-136877 <p><i>rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh</i></p> <p>This is the same thinking and analogy, which gives rise to ethnical politics. We send them to the corner and when they are united, we make commotion. Just for the record I myself belong to Urdu speaking family but don't support ethnic politics but do understand their <b>legit</b> sentiments. National parties need to find some way to reach to their hearts. If some party in United India had done it in the past, things would have been different not perfect but different.</p> <p>To get a real picture why things are like this in Pakistan read this account "<a href="http://www.ssc.upenn.edu/~vikash1/sasia/2003_08_03_blog_archive.html">Civil military alliances: A Devil's Pact?</a>" (It's the third heading from the top).</p> rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh

This is the same thinking and analogy, which gives rise to ethnical politics. We send them to the corner and when they are united, we make commotion. Just for the record I myself belong to Urdu speaking family but don’t support ethnic politics but do understand their legit sentiments. National parties need to find some way to reach to their hearts. If some party in United India had done it in the past, things would have been different not perfect but different.

To get a real picture why things are like this in Pakistan read this account “Civil military alliances: A Devil’s Pact?” (It’s the third heading from the top).

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By: Sin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-136756 Sin Wed, 16 May 2007 07:51:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-136756 <blockquote>I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented "Islam in danger" slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start. </blockquote> <p>Isn't this what they call "use of weasel words" on Wikipedia? I feel as though it hasn't got a great deal of actual logic to it, other than some very vague "they did this, then they did that" wording. I'm not quite sure how Muhajirs usurped anything; they were the Urdu-speaking class that moved over during/post-Partition, and most of them (including hefty chunks of my own family) had to struggle and work to be successful. What rights and jobs were usurped? The ones for which there was demand and not enough supply from the "indigenous" populace? I'm genuinely confused by this, because to me it's nothing more than basic market forces (of a sort). And words like "usurp", and "rights and jobs"...I find it very difficult to understand how a group of immigrants with very little backing/support-structure in place could displace entire sub-populations.</p> I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented “Islam in danger” slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start.

Isn’t this what they call “use of weasel words” on Wikipedia? I feel as though it hasn’t got a great deal of actual logic to it, other than some very vague “they did this, then they did that” wording. I’m not quite sure how Muhajirs usurped anything; they were the Urdu-speaking class that moved over during/post-Partition, and most of them (including hefty chunks of my own family) had to struggle and work to be successful. What rights and jobs were usurped? The ones for which there was demand and not enough supply from the “indigenous” populace? I’m genuinely confused by this, because to me it’s nothing more than basic market forces (of a sort). And words like “usurp”, and “rights and jobs”…I find it very difficult to understand how a group of immigrants with very little backing/support-structure in place could displace entire sub-populations.

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By: circus in jungle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-136513 circus in jungle Tue, 15 May 2007 19:07:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-136513 <p>Islamabad <a href="http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/05/what_next_after.html">next</a>?</p> Islamabad next?

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By: Ponniyin Selvan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-136498 Ponniyin Selvan Tue, 15 May 2007 18:12:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-136498 <blockquote>Personally, I don't like Ponniyin. I think my dislike is far better grounded in reality than yours. </blockquote> <p>Thanks Ikram,</p> <p>I don't think I'm commenting here for being the "most liked" person on sepiamutiny..</p> <p>I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented "Islam in danger" slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start.</p> <p>regarding the question of them not having the numbers, Pakistan has been controlled not by numbers based democracy since start and when democracy did work, Bhutto introduced some corrective measures by bringing quotas for Sindhis etc..</p> Personally, I don’t like Ponniyin. I think my dislike is far better grounded in reality than yours.

Thanks Ikram,

I don’t think I’m commenting here for being the “most liked” person on sepiamutiny..

I stand by my statement that Mohajirs usurped the rights and jobs of the natives of Sindh and generally what is called Pakistan now.. They (mostly landlords and salaried class of British India) invented some BS reasons fearing their dominance is going to end in the leftist rhetoric of the Congress and invented “Islam in danger” slogan for getting Pakistan and then dominated Pakistan from the start.

regarding the question of them not having the numbers, Pakistan has been controlled not by numbers based democracy since start and when democracy did work, Bhutto introduced some corrective measures by bringing quotas for Sindhis etc..

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-136468 Neena Tue, 15 May 2007 15:11:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-136468 <p>Ba and all other Karachiites,</p> <p>Please stay safe and take care of yourself and eachother.</p> <p>Karachi has seen much worst violence in last tow decades than Saturday but I never heard other cities <a href="http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=12739">responding to it on such huge scale</a>. Hope Karachiites get the sign and try to align with those parties who can successfully represent them on National arena.</p> Ba and all other Karachiites,

Please stay safe and take care of yourself and eachother.

Karachi has seen much worst violence in last tow decades than Saturday but I never heard other cities responding to it on such huge scale. Hope Karachiites get the sign and try to align with those parties who can successfully represent them on National arena.

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By: Issa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/12/blood_and_tears/comment-page-3/#comment-136450 Issa Tue, 15 May 2007 12:27:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4433#comment-136450 <p>I've been lurking on SM for a while. I found the site actually when the whole Kavya thing happened. I'm not much of a commenter on sites/forums such as this, but after reading this post - and watching/reading the news the last couple of days - I had to. I grew up in Karachi. I miss Karachi. I am half Pakistani. I live in North America, but I go back when I can. I'm worried for my friends and for some of my family that live there, and sad for the random people that lost their lives senselessly.</p> <p>It breaks my heart that this shite is going on in Karachi - and hell, in a myriad of other places in the world right now. And I know that I should ignore the trolls - as they are definitely a minority in this post - but some of these comments are sickening. In the face of things like this, can we not put politics/stereotypes/whathaveyou aside for a minute and have some compassion?</p> I’ve been lurking on SM for a while. I found the site actually when the whole Kavya thing happened. I’m not much of a commenter on sites/forums such as this, but after reading this post – and watching/reading the news the last couple of days – I had to. I grew up in Karachi. I miss Karachi. I am half Pakistani. I live in North America, but I go back when I can. I’m worried for my friends and for some of my family that live there, and sad for the random people that lost their lives senselessly.

It breaks my heart that this shite is going on in Karachi – and hell, in a myriad of other places in the world right now. And I know that I should ignore the trolls – as they are definitely a minority in this post – but some of these comments are sickening. In the face of things like this, can we not put politics/stereotypes/whathaveyou aside for a minute and have some compassion?

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