Comments on: 1857 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jiwan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-208515 jiwan Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:01:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-208515 <p>The fact is that the British used Indian troops by and large to put down the "Mutiny".</p> <p>In fact, at Ajnala, the troops doing the actual execution were Sikhs.</p> <p>So it goes. The British used a simple, elegant formula: divide and rule. And it did work very well.</p> The fact is that the British used Indian troops by and large to put down the “Mutiny”.

In fact, at Ajnala, the troops doing the actual execution were Sikhs.

So it goes. The British used a simple, elegant formula: divide and rule. And it did work very well.

]]> By: Paul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-201575 Paul Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:43:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-201575 <p>The fact is that the British used Indian troops by and large to put down the "Mutiny".</p> <p>In fact, at Ajnala, the troops doing the actual execution were Sikhs.</p> <p>So it goes. The British used a simple, elegant formula: divide and rule. And it did work very well.</p> The fact is that the British used Indian troops by and large to put down the “Mutiny”.

In fact, at Ajnala, the troops doing the actual execution were Sikhs.

So it goes. The British used a simple, elegant formula: divide and rule. And it did work very well.

]]> By: Anurag Kumar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-201509 Anurag Kumar Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:45:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-201509 <p>My novel Recalcitrance is finally out based on the events of 1857. It presents for the first time the view of 1857 from an Indian's point of view. It is on sale on ebay for the time being. If interested you can buy it at the link below http://cgi.ebay.in/Recalcitrance-a-historical-novel-on-mutiny-of-1857_W0QQitemZ370046576775QQihZ024QQcategoryZ92392QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</p> My novel Recalcitrance is finally out based on the events of 1857. It presents for the first time the view of 1857 from an Indian’s point of view. It is on sale on ebay for the time being. If interested you can buy it at the link below http://cgi.ebay.in/Recalcitrance-a-historical-novel-on-mutiny-of-1857_W0QQitemZ370046576775QQihZ024QQcategoryZ92392QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

]]> By: Anurag Kumar Agarwal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-192245 Anurag Kumar Agarwal Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:53:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-192245 <p>I just went through the discussions above once again and I am really really surprised by the quality - it is just awesome and coming from mainly non professionals. If I may be allowed to sum up some major points and humbly offer my own views ( which may be wrong ). To the best of my knowledge the very firt person to raise voice against British rule was indeed a tamil ruler as mentioned above and I am ashamed to say that I just got to know this recently. There were so called mutinies in almost the whole of south India before 1857 but they were sporadic and easily suppressed. There were people like Alluri Sitaram Raju and must be many more. But truly 1857 deserves to be called the first war in the real sense because there was a degree of unity amongst diverse people. As for the Sikhs they fought very bravely against the British along with the Marathas but problem is that the people who were largely involved in the so called Mutiny were the very ones that helped suppress at least the Sikhs that is Brahmins from UP and Bihar mainly eastern UP like Baiswara and the present day purvanchal. then the British gave the Sikhs to understand during the mutiny that they will be avenging their defeat and humiliation if they helped suppress the so called mutiny, so there! A study in divide and rule something like Newton's laws and a very handy example to teach in a university assuming there is a university which still teaches how to colonise the brown people. That the british gave us India and English is a pure accident like you are going to shoot someone and another guy comes and shoots him. You know what I mean they never intended it this way so why give them any credit. We should give credit to ourselves rather- the British were in so many countries but did they all learn such good English as we did and are all those countries having such a vibrant democracy as ours? My novel brings out the full horror of the mutiny and also shows how easily we could have uprooted the British if we had just stayed together. I could have written a non fiction work too but a novel gives you something rare- artistic license!</p> <p>I believe education was not a gift to us it was the biggest curse. It has put us on a train which is full of so called educated people who are causing environmental pollution, threat of a nuclear holocaust, international terrorism, neo colonialsim, uncontrolled materialism and erosion of moral values of the whole world by cable TV. Why the hell cable TV does not support a discussion of a kind that is on this blog.Why are those guys interested in the most trifling news of a celebrity. Well all this makes me think that Indian education was the best it educated oneself to be closer to God, to bring the change inside him rather than going about disturbing the peace of the whole world. I would rather we were tribals then to be educated and bring humanity closer to total annihilation in a matter of minutes.</p> <p>I believe western civilization has corrupted the whole world and its salvation lies in embracing the values of the east particularly India which has throughout more than 5000 years of its history never waged wars against weaker neighbours and never sought to colonise any country for materialistic gains and does not have any such plans for the future too. It is the spiritual guru of the whole world. Mutiny of 1857 also proved that the bravest men ever were born in India because they had spiritual strength , they were fighting for spiritual issues they did not need votes or notes.Do you think Mangal Pandey for even a moment doubted that he would be hanged , I do not think so, but he thought that perhaps- mind you perhaps he thought his martyrdom would awaken his countrymen from their sleep, he took the most slender chance and in doing so he was being a bad businessman but it worked! Remember colonialism is alive and kicking it is somewhere out there hiding behind feigned smiles and handshakes, you do not need another mutiny for it, you just need to be united and be the best in whatever you are and I am happy to note that Indians are excelling everywhere only thing is we should absolutely get rid of sikhism, gujratism, tamilism, upism, biharism, and all the other bad isms and should cultivate Indianism. Recently I met a guy who has become a self proclaimed leader of a community to which I belong, he has eshtablished a society for it and once he got to know what community I belonged to he came upto me and shook hands and invited me to join the society- well he was in his sixties or I would have been very rude to him - but I declined his invitation and said if you ever come up with a society for Indians do let me know but otherwise I am not interested in your current endeavour. Jai Bharat Jai India Hindustan Zindabad Jai Vishwa</p> I just went through the discussions above once again and I am really really surprised by the quality – it is just awesome and coming from mainly non professionals. If I may be allowed to sum up some major points and humbly offer my own views ( which may be wrong ). To the best of my knowledge the very firt person to raise voice against British rule was indeed a tamil ruler as mentioned above and I am ashamed to say that I just got to know this recently. There were so called mutinies in almost the whole of south India before 1857 but they were sporadic and easily suppressed. There were people like Alluri Sitaram Raju and must be many more. But truly 1857 deserves to be called the first war in the real sense because there was a degree of unity amongst diverse people. As for the Sikhs they fought very bravely against the British along with the Marathas but problem is that the people who were largely involved in the so called Mutiny were the very ones that helped suppress at least the Sikhs that is Brahmins from UP and Bihar mainly eastern UP like Baiswara and the present day purvanchal. then the British gave the Sikhs to understand during the mutiny that they will be avenging their defeat and humiliation if they helped suppress the so called mutiny, so there! A study in divide and rule something like Newton’s laws and a very handy example to teach in a university assuming there is a university which still teaches how to colonise the brown people. That the british gave us India and English is a pure accident like you are going to shoot someone and another guy comes and shoots him. You know what I mean they never intended it this way so why give them any credit. We should give credit to ourselves rather- the British were in so many countries but did they all learn such good English as we did and are all those countries having such a vibrant democracy as ours? My novel brings out the full horror of the mutiny and also shows how easily we could have uprooted the British if we had just stayed together. I could have written a non fiction work too but a novel gives you something rare- artistic license!

I believe education was not a gift to us it was the biggest curse. It has put us on a train which is full of so called educated people who are causing environmental pollution, threat of a nuclear holocaust, international terrorism, neo colonialsim, uncontrolled materialism and erosion of moral values of the whole world by cable TV. Why the hell cable TV does not support a discussion of a kind that is on this blog.Why are those guys interested in the most trifling news of a celebrity. Well all this makes me think that Indian education was the best it educated oneself to be closer to God, to bring the change inside him rather than going about disturbing the peace of the whole world. I would rather we were tribals then to be educated and bring humanity closer to total annihilation in a matter of minutes.

I believe western civilization has corrupted the whole world and its salvation lies in embracing the values of the east particularly India which has throughout more than 5000 years of its history never waged wars against weaker neighbours and never sought to colonise any country for materialistic gains and does not have any such plans for the future too. It is the spiritual guru of the whole world. Mutiny of 1857 also proved that the bravest men ever were born in India because they had spiritual strength , they were fighting for spiritual issues they did not need votes or notes.Do you think Mangal Pandey for even a moment doubted that he would be hanged , I do not think so, but he thought that perhaps- mind you perhaps he thought his martyrdom would awaken his countrymen from their sleep, he took the most slender chance and in doing so he was being a bad businessman but it worked! Remember colonialism is alive and kicking it is somewhere out there hiding behind feigned smiles and handshakes, you do not need another mutiny for it, you just need to be united and be the best in whatever you are and I am happy to note that Indians are excelling everywhere only thing is we should absolutely get rid of sikhism, gujratism, tamilism, upism, biharism, and all the other bad isms and should cultivate Indianism. Recently I met a guy who has become a self proclaimed leader of a community to which I belong, he has eshtablished a society for it and once he got to know what community I belonged to he came upto me and shook hands and invited me to join the society- well he was in his sixties or I would have been very rude to him – but I declined his invitation and said if you ever come up with a society for Indians do let me know but otherwise I am not interested in your current endeavour. Jai Bharat Jai India Hindustan Zindabad Jai Vishwa

]]> By: A. K. Avinash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-192241 A. K. Avinash Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:11:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-192241 <p>My novel is ready as per my comment above but alas publishers are taking so long to respond. I will get it published but if does not get published before May 2008 which is the end of 150th anniversary of the so called mutiny I will be heartbroken.</p> My novel is ready as per my comment above but alas publishers are taking so long to respond. I will get it published but if does not get published before May 2008 which is the end of 150th anniversary of the so called mutiny I will be heartbroken.

]]> By: Swapnil Bhalerao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-168523 Swapnil Bhalerao Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:30:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-168523 <p>dear publisher i want maps of all the states of india from 17th century.my emai id is swapnil_bhalerao20@yahoo.com</p> dear publisher i want maps of all the states of india from 17th century.my emai id is swapnil_bhalerao20@yahoo.com

]]> By: A. K. Avinash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-167446 A. K. Avinash Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:14:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-167446 <p>Likhari if you were around I would have embraced you. all the info you gave is absolutely new inspite of my having read about 50 books not exclusively about the mutiny but giving info about that period. I may add here that it is a totally new idea you gave here that British capitalized upon the feeling of hatred the Sikhs developed for Purbias. The sikhs were instrumental in defeat of revolutionary forces in Lucknow and afterwards lucknow was almost stripped to the bone by the British but the thing is the Sikhs more than made up for it by wholeheartedly taking part in the freedom movement. I do not belive in casts or religions or regions but no one should hold it against the sikhs they bore the brunt of british atrocities at least in 20th Century.</p> <p>Also I am saying this for all Indians now whether you like the Muslims or not whether you like Hindus or not whether you think they are dirty or their religion is all wrong or their customs are dirty but you have to live together you just cannot change it no power on this earth can change it so it is better to live together peacefully and let not the outsiders ever ever ever again take advantage of our diversity. Same applies to regionalism incidentally it was regionalism and not communalism that led to our defeat so the next time someone from your own community or religion criticizes the other community and religion please check the person violently do not allow seeds of discord to grow.</p> Likhari if you were around I would have embraced you. all the info you gave is absolutely new inspite of my having read about 50 books not exclusively about the mutiny but giving info about that period. I may add here that it is a totally new idea you gave here that British capitalized upon the feeling of hatred the Sikhs developed for Purbias. The sikhs were instrumental in defeat of revolutionary forces in Lucknow and afterwards lucknow was almost stripped to the bone by the British but the thing is the Sikhs more than made up for it by wholeheartedly taking part in the freedom movement. I do not belive in casts or religions or regions but no one should hold it against the sikhs they bore the brunt of british atrocities at least in 20th Century.

Also I am saying this for all Indians now whether you like the Muslims or not whether you like Hindus or not whether you think they are dirty or their religion is all wrong or their customs are dirty but you have to live together you just cannot change it no power on this earth can change it so it is better to live together peacefully and let not the outsiders ever ever ever again take advantage of our diversity. Same applies to regionalism incidentally it was regionalism and not communalism that led to our defeat so the next time someone from your own community or religion criticizes the other community and religion please check the person violently do not allow seeds of discord to grow.

]]> By: A. K. Avinash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-167444 A. K. Avinash Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:48:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-167444 <p>I am ready with a novel on the Mutiny it should be out in a fortnight</p> I am ready with a novel on the Mutiny it should be out in a fortnight

]]> By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-141361 Sameer Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:01:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-141361 <p>After reading all this discussion I feel like taking a break and mention some poetry linked to the "rising". I think I read this at the beginning of Savarkar's book about 1857.</p> <p>When Bahadurshah "Zafar" was in prison, a British loyalist said to him: <i>"Damdamiya dam nahi ab khair maango jaan ki aye Zafar thandi hui shamsher Hindustan ki"</i></p> <p>Rough translation: (not sure about the first part of the first line)...The warriors (of India) have lost their courage. O' Zafar... beg for your life... the sword of Hindustan has turned cold.</p> <p>and Bahadurshah replied: <i>"Gaaziyon mein boo rahegi jab talak imaan ki takht'e London tak chalegi teg Hindustan ki"</i></p> <p>Rough translation: So long as there is a whiff of patriotism in the warriors (of India).. the sword of India will reach the British throne.</p> After reading all this discussion I feel like taking a break and mention some poetry linked to the “rising”. I think I read this at the beginning of Savarkar’s book about 1857.

When Bahadurshah “Zafar” was in prison, a British loyalist said to him: “Damdamiya dam nahi ab khair maango jaan ki aye Zafar thandi hui shamsher Hindustan ki”

Rough translation: (not sure about the first part of the first line)…The warriors (of India) have lost their courage. O’ Zafar… beg for your life… the sword of Hindustan has turned cold.

and Bahadurshah replied: “Gaaziyon mein boo rahegi jab talak imaan ki takht’e London tak chalegi teg Hindustan ki”

Rough translation: So long as there is a whiff of patriotism in the warriors (of India).. the sword of India will reach the British throne.

]]> By: Shankar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/10/1857/comment-page-5/#comment-137581 Shankar Fri, 18 May 2007 17:14:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4428#comment-137581 <p>likhari, thanks for the references :) Let's connect!</p> likhari, thanks for the references :) Let’s connect!

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