Comments on: Sick, Sad World http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135983 Jasmine Sun, 13 May 2007 02:32:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135983 <p>RE: Belief in black magic, witch hunts, witch trials, etc. This is a "human" pattern/problem...found in segments of every culture throughout history...</p> RE: Belief in black magic, witch hunts, witch trials, etc. This is a “human” pattern/problem…found in segments of every culture throughout history…

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135200 MoorNam Wed, 09 May 2007 02:43:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135200 <p>indianoguy,</p> <p>I stand corrected. The villagers need a vet, for crying out loud.</p> <p>M. Nam</p> indianoguy,

I stand corrected. The villagers need a vet, for crying out loud.

M. Nam

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By: indianoguy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135182 indianoguy Wed, 09 May 2007 00:32:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135182 <blockquote>Preston: I doubt that this incident occurred at all. I think Reuters made up the story.</blockquote> <p>They did not, you can find some more info <a href="http://www.andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=22534">here</a></p> <p>Telugu news papers covered this under District news. According to <a href="http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive-8-5-2007/district/districtshow1.asp?dis=medak#16">Eenadu.net</a> (its in Telugu), there is caste angle to this incident.</p> <blockquote>Someone needs to make a Bollywood movie about this; to naive me, that’s the fastest way to reach the masses and start a dialogue about ignorance regarding “black magic�.</blockquote> <p>I dont think Bollywood would deal with serious issues like this, but there are couple of Telugu Movies about Black Magic and "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice">Child sacrifice</a>".</p> <p><a href="http://www.fullhyderabad.com/scripts/profiles.php3?section=Movies&name=Anukokunda+Oka+Roju">Anukokunda Oka Roju </a>, a critically acclaimed Suspense Thriller about issues like Black Magic, Drugs and God men. <a href="http://www.totaltollywood.com/reviews/danger.html">Danger</a>, again a Suspense Thriller covering Child Sacrifice</p> Preston: I doubt that this incident occurred at all. I think Reuters made up the story.

They did not, you can find some more info here

Telugu news papers covered this under District news. According to Eenadu.net (its in Telugu), there is caste angle to this incident.

Someone needs to make a Bollywood movie about this; to naive me, that’s the fastest way to reach the masses and start a dialogue about ignorance regarding “black magic�.

I dont think Bollywood would deal with serious issues like this, but there are couple of Telugu Movies about Black Magic and “Child sacrifice“.

Anukokunda Oka Roju , a critically acclaimed Suspense Thriller about issues like Black Magic, Drugs and God men. Danger, again a Suspense Thriller covering Child Sacrifice

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By: Preston http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135150 Preston Tue, 08 May 2007 21:45:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135150 <p>Alas, as educator and humanist Robert Coles once remarked, pointing out that Hitler's inner circle included some of the most highly educated men of the time, "Education is no immunization against hatred."</p> Alas, as educator and humanist Robert Coles once remarked, pointing out that Hitler’s inner circle included some of the most highly educated men of the time, “Education is no immunization against hatred.”

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By: Divya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135144 Divya Tue, 08 May 2007 21:27:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135144 <blockquote>Belief in misguided, hawkish jingoism is common in some parts of America, despite the country’s robust educational system and cutting-edge technology industries. (Yeah, like THAT will ever get printed.)</blockquote> <p>What could have been printed though is that belief in the only true God leads some in the U.S. to hack homosexuals to death. Sorry, couldn't resist feeding the troll.</p> Belief in misguided, hawkish jingoism is common in some parts of America, despite the country’s robust educational system and cutting-edge technology industries. (Yeah, like THAT will ever get printed.)

What could have been printed though is that belief in the only true God leads some in the U.S. to hack homosexuals to death. Sorry, couldn’t resist feeding the troll.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135097 Manju Tue, 08 May 2007 19:32:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135097 <p>by far the best example of modern day witch trials in America were the rash of<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/fuster/lessons/outcomes.html"> ritual child abuse cases </a>during the 1980's, as chronicled by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/No-Crueler-Tyrannies-Accusation-Witness/dp/0743228405/ref=sr_1_1/104-8666572-8299100?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178643980&sr=1-1">dorathy rabinowitz </a>and<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0380790661/ref=olp_product_details/104-8666572-8299100?ie=UTF8&seller="> katryn lyon.</a></p> <p>its all there: mass hysteria, pseudo science (recovered memory syndrome), religious like idoeology (victimology feminism), and political oppourtunism (janet reno in the frank Fuster Miami day-care case and Scott Harshbarger--who went on to head Common Cause in the amirault case.)</p> <p>and of course real victims who spent many years in jail until the hysteria blew over. it just goes to show, often the most sophisticaed among us are the most primative.</p> by far the best example of modern day witch trials in America were the rash of ritual child abuse cases during the 1980′s, as chronicled by dorathy rabinowitz and katryn lyon.

its all there: mass hysteria, pseudo science (recovered memory syndrome), religious like idoeology (victimology feminism), and political oppourtunism (janet reno in the frank Fuster Miami day-care case and Scott Harshbarger–who went on to head Common Cause in the amirault case.)

and of course real victims who spent many years in jail until the hysteria blew over. it just goes to show, often the most sophisticaed among us are the most primative.

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By: PS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135086 PS Tue, 08 May 2007 19:16:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135086 <p>thanks for defining Manglik - how bizarre -</p> <p><i>not to mention how important black magic is to soap operas not only the indian ones</i> - yes, Passions in the US comes to mind...and yes that does mean that I've watched that horribly campy but entertaining show</p> thanks for defining Manglik – how bizarre -

not to mention how important black magic is to soap operas not only the indian ones – yes, Passions in the US comes to mind…and yes that does mean that I’ve watched that horribly campy but entertaining show

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By: stopbywhenever http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135085 stopbywhenever Tue, 08 May 2007 19:12:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135085 <hr /> <p>Janeofalltrades Belief in black magic is common in some parts of rural India, despite the country’s robust economic growth and cutting-edge high-technology industries.</p> <h2>I hate to say this but rural India isn't the only place responsible for fearing and belief in black magic. The belief is alive and well in most of India and even in major cities. Black magic or "Jadu tona" is something I heard of so commonly when growing up. Sure we don't set people on fire for believing in it but then we match horoscopes and wed trees and other such nonsense in order to weard off 'evil'.</h2> <p>So true, not to mention how important black magic is to soap operas not only the indian ones (addiction of my mom and many other indian aunties out there, thanks to Ekta Kapoor) but also ones here in the US.</p> <p>"wed trees" >> lol, now I look at that with a whole different perspective</p>

Janeofalltrades Belief in black magic is common in some parts of rural India, despite the country’s robust economic growth and cutting-edge high-technology industries.

I hate to say this but rural India isn’t the only place responsible for fearing and belief in black magic. The belief is alive and well in most of India and even in major cities. Black magic or “Jadu tona” is something I heard of so commonly when growing up. Sure we don’t set people on fire for believing in it but then we match horoscopes and wed trees and other such nonsense in order to weard off ‘evil’.

So true, not to mention how important black magic is to soap operas not only the indian ones (addiction of my mom and many other indian aunties out there, thanks to Ekta Kapoor) but also ones here in the US.

“wed trees” >> lol, now I look at that with a whole different perspective

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By: manglik http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135084 manglik Tue, 08 May 2007 19:08:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135084 <p>a) the witchkilling and economics thesis was persuasively documented by ted miguel (for tanzania and uganda I think) and is available at http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~emiguel/miguel_witch.pdf . It essentially shows that the number of witch killings in the study areas are strongly correlated with rainfall (and hence income) so that there are strong economic incentives at work presumably. his take is that in lean times witch killings afford communities a way to eliminate some community members (the elderly, the infirm etc.) although he does discuss individual property based motivations as well (not sure if his data is good enogh to find evidence for that)</p> <p>as for manglik: from wikipedia: "Mangal Dosha is an astrological condition that occurs if Mars is in the 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th, or 12th house of the Vedic astrology lunar chart. A person born in the presence of this condition is termed a manglik.</p> <p>This condition is believed by some to be devastating for marriage, causing discomfort and tension in relationship, leading to separation and divorce, and in some cases, it is believed to cause untimely death of one spouse. This is attributed to the "fiery" nature of this planet. If two mangliks marry, the negative effects are believed to cancel each other out. However, Mars is not the only planet in Vedic Astrology that is supposed to affect the relationship and these effects should be seen in a broader perspective of overall astrological compatibility.</p> <p>There is also a belief that the negative consequences for a single-manglik marriage can be resolved if the manglik first performs a ceremony called a kumbh vivah, in which the manglik "marries" a banana tree, a peepal tree, or an icon of Vishnu.[1] However, this belief is also seen by some as perpetuating untouchability, contrary to India's constitution."</p> <p>mrinal pande has a nice piece about the bacchan wedding but I can't find the links ...</p> a) the witchkilling and economics thesis was persuasively documented by ted miguel (for tanzania and uganda I think) and is available at http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~emiguel/miguel_witch.pdf . It essentially shows that the number of witch killings in the study areas are strongly correlated with rainfall (and hence income) so that there are strong economic incentives at work presumably. his take is that in lean times witch killings afford communities a way to eliminate some community members (the elderly, the infirm etc.) although he does discuss individual property based motivations as well (not sure if his data is good enogh to find evidence for that)

as for manglik: from wikipedia: “Mangal Dosha is an astrological condition that occurs if Mars is in the 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th, or 12th house of the Vedic astrology lunar chart. A person born in the presence of this condition is termed a manglik.

This condition is believed by some to be devastating for marriage, causing discomfort and tension in relationship, leading to separation and divorce, and in some cases, it is believed to cause untimely death of one spouse. This is attributed to the “fiery” nature of this planet. If two mangliks marry, the negative effects are believed to cancel each other out. However, Mars is not the only planet in Vedic Astrology that is supposed to affect the relationship and these effects should be seen in a broader perspective of overall astrological compatibility.

There is also a belief that the negative consequences for a single-manglik marriage can be resolved if the manglik first performs a ceremony called a kumbh vivah, in which the manglik “marries” a banana tree, a peepal tree, or an icon of Vishnu.[1] However, this belief is also seen by some as perpetuating untouchability, contrary to India’s constitution.”

mrinal pande has a nice piece about the bacchan wedding but I can’t find the links …

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/08/sick_sad_world/comment-page-1/#comment-135082 MoorNam Tue, 08 May 2007 19:06:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4418#comment-135082 <p>Preston: I doubt that this incident occurred at all. I think Reuters made up the story.</p> <p>A search on "Sayanna Pochamma Sunil Kumar" gives the exact same story in papers in Mideast, NewZealand(!!), blogs discussing this story, and Online edition of Express India which gets its news from Reuters.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p><i>As for the lack of coverage in India, unfortunately the murder of an elderly rural couple, regardless of the circumstances, isn't big news</i></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Looks like you don't watch local TV. The crime-beat section of local language news in extremely good in India nowadays. They actually get to the scene by helicopter within an hour and start interviewing people. Their sponsors demand juicy stuff, so the newshounds have a hyena's hunger for stuff like this. Sitting here in New Jersey I sometimes see news where "A man kills his brother suspecting an affair with his wife" in rural Maharashtra. I mean, the news team actually gets there while the guy is still bleeding and the body is still warm!</p> <p>M. Nam</p> Preston: I doubt that this incident occurred at all. I think Reuters made up the story.

A search on “Sayanna Pochamma Sunil Kumar” gives the exact same story in papers in Mideast, NewZealand(!!), blogs discussing this story, and Online edition of Express India which gets its news from Reuters.

As for the lack of coverage in India, unfortunately the murder of an elderly rural couple, regardless of the circumstances, isn’t big news

Looks like you don’t watch local TV. The crime-beat section of local language news in extremely good in India nowadays. They actually get to the scene by helicopter within an hour and start interviewing people. Their sponsors demand juicy stuff, so the newshounds have a hyena’s hunger for stuff like this. Sitting here in New Jersey I sometimes see news where “A man kills his brother suspecting an affair with his wife” in rural Maharashtra. I mean, the news team actually gets there while the guy is still bleeding and the body is still warm!

M. Nam

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