Comments on: Even this comes from India http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jack http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-245498 jack Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:09:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-245498 <p>kiss -drinking is a common practice also</p> kiss -drinking is a common practice also

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By: hotelhaven http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135523 hotelhaven Thu, 10 May 2007 17:36:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135523 <p>Video and photos from HalalFest Block Party: http://www.sonsacrifice.com/news.html</p> Video and photos from HalalFest Block Party: http://www.sonsacrifice.com/news.html

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135386 Amitabh Wed, 09 May 2007 21:53:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135386 <p>PG (#77): <b>THIS</b> I think you are right about. I confess I don't know a lot of lore, but then neither do the so many people, all with different agendas, who make all kinds of claims about 'what's in the Vedas' or 'what's in the Puranas' or whatever. It's precisely the lack of real, in-depth knowledge on <b>everybody's</b> part that allows all kinds of claims (many false) to be made.</p> PG (#77): THIS I think you are right about. I confess I don’t know a lot of lore, but then neither do the so many people, all with different agendas, who make all kinds of claims about ‘what’s in the Vedas’ or ‘what’s in the Puranas’ or whatever. It’s precisely the lack of real, in-depth knowledge on everybody’s part that allows all kinds of claims (many false) to be made.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135358 PG Wed, 09 May 2007 20:39:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135358 <blockquote>@ PG: I think it was kind of implied that perhaps the relationship continued after that, implying a possibly homosexual relationship, rather than it being an overt one.</blockquote> <p>Ridiculous. There are no references in any shastra, either Puranic or Itihasa like the Mahabharat, wherein Krishna is described as having any kind of homosexual relationship.</p> <p>However, what you will find is the concept of "gopi bhav", wherein saints and sages throughout the ages (both male and female) aspire to serve Krishna in an amorous relationship upon the death of their material bodies, liberation of their soul (jeevs are prakruti, or feminine in nature), and the attainment of a spiritual body in the eternal world. That body would be a female one in order to engage in the madhurya-rasa, or the amorous relationship of Lover and Beloved with the Deity Krishna. One cannot engage in the amorous relationship in a male form with a male Deity, hence, the death of the material body and the birth of the spiritual (female) one.</p> <p>One who has read even a little bit of "krishna lore" knows this.</p> @ PG: I think it was kind of implied that perhaps the relationship continued after that, implying a possibly homosexual relationship, rather than it being an overt one.

Ridiculous. There are no references in any shastra, either Puranic or Itihasa like the Mahabharat, wherein Krishna is described as having any kind of homosexual relationship.

However, what you will find is the concept of “gopi bhav”, wherein saints and sages throughout the ages (both male and female) aspire to serve Krishna in an amorous relationship upon the death of their material bodies, liberation of their soul (jeevs are prakruti, or feminine in nature), and the attainment of a spiritual body in the eternal world. That body would be a female one in order to engage in the madhurya-rasa, or the amorous relationship of Lover and Beloved with the Deity Krishna. One cannot engage in the amorous relationship in a male form with a male Deity, hence, the death of the material body and the birth of the spiritual (female) one.

One who has read even a little bit of “krishna lore” knows this.

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By: Namerah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135206 Namerah Wed, 09 May 2007 03:33:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135206 <p>@ PG: I think it was kind of implied that perhaps the relationship continued after that, implying a possibly homosexual relationship, rather than it being an overt one.</p> @ PG: I think it was kind of implied that perhaps the relationship continued after that, implying a possibly homosexual relationship, rather than it being an overt one.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135136 PG Tue, 08 May 2007 21:10:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135136 <blockquote>I grew up (mostly) in the desh, and my parents also had nicknames for each other - my father invented one for my mother, but my mother used the nickname his family had always used for him.</blockquote> <p>It's a tradition in some regions of India for the husband to give a "new" name to the wife soon after marriage.</p> <p>It's to signify a new identity as a wife.</p> I grew up (mostly) in the desh, and my parents also had nicknames for each other – my father invented one for my mother, but my mother used the nickname his family had always used for him.

It’s a tradition in some regions of India for the husband to give a “new” name to the wife soon after marriage.

It’s to signify a new identity as a wife.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135134 PG Tue, 08 May 2007 21:07:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135134 <blockquote> PG, I do think it's a problem for children to grow up without ever seeing any kind of physical affection between their parents in the home.</blockquote> <blockquote> So, according to you, all gay kids born in heterosexual households have 'a problem'?</blockquote> <p>No. Seeing the affection between their parents teaches them how to behave with their own future partners.</p> PG, I do think it’s a problem for children to grow up without ever seeing any kind of physical affection between their parents in the home.
So, according to you, all gay kids born in heterosexual households have ‘a problem’?

No. Seeing the affection between their parents teaches them how to behave with their own future partners.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135131 PG Tue, 08 May 2007 21:03:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135131 <blockquote>The next time someone tries to pull the "it's not in our culture" bit, simply refer them to the story in the Padma Purana in which Arjuna (in a female form named Arjuni) faints at the sight of Krishna's dangly bits, and the two proceed to get it on. Apparently as the story goes, Arjuna gets thoroughly depressed at the thought of having to turn back into a man, so Krishna tells him that the only way it can continue is if Arjuna shuts up about it, since their oh-so-harsh world will never understand. I'm still planning on using that one of these days.</blockquote> <p>Arjuna was not male at that time but female - a different person. I don't see any homosexuality there.</p> <p>Find a reference where two men in male forms or two women in female forms are getting it on.... then you might have a case.</p> The next time someone tries to pull the “it’s not in our culture” bit, simply refer them to the story in the Padma Purana in which Arjuna (in a female form named Arjuni) faints at the sight of Krishna’s dangly bits, and the two proceed to get it on. Apparently as the story goes, Arjuna gets thoroughly depressed at the thought of having to turn back into a man, so Krishna tells him that the only way it can continue is if Arjuna shuts up about it, since their oh-so-harsh world will never understand. I’m still planning on using that one of these days.

Arjuna was not male at that time but female – a different person. I don’t see any homosexuality there.

Find a reference where two men in male forms or two women in female forms are getting it on…. then you might have a case.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-135128 PG Tue, 08 May 2007 20:59:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-135128 <blockquote>Kissing in public is not a morality issue, in my opinion. I am interested in it purely as a cultural phenomenon. There must be deep seated cultural reasons, beyond a simplistic sexual repression often associated with India, why it is a rarity in India and other Asian societies. I wouldn't look too deeply in Hinduism for an answer. <b>I am very familiar with Indo-Caribbean Hindus, most of them fairly staunch, including your auntie. However, in their culture, public kissing is not only acceptable but kissing total strangers as a part of greeting Latino style is actually expected. It is obviously a learned behavior, which is surprising considering most of the islands with Indian population were British colonies, not Spanish. Go figure</b>!</blockquote> <p>Take into consideration the African influence in the Carribbean when looking for an answer to this.</p> Kissing in public is not a morality issue, in my opinion. I am interested in it purely as a cultural phenomenon. There must be deep seated cultural reasons, beyond a simplistic sexual repression often associated with India, why it is a rarity in India and other Asian societies. I wouldn’t look too deeply in Hinduism for an answer. I am very familiar with Indo-Caribbean Hindus, most of them fairly staunch, including your auntie. However, in their culture, public kissing is not only acceptable but kissing total strangers as a part of greeting Latino style is actually expected. It is obviously a learned behavior, which is surprising considering most of the islands with Indian population were British colonies, not Spanish. Go figure!

Take into consideration the African influence in the Carribbean when looking for an answer to this.

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By: DQ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/06/even_this_comes/comment-page-2/#comment-134941 DQ Tue, 08 May 2007 02:01:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4413#comment-134941 <p>Risible,</p> <p>Now that you mention it, I may have missed the rotations in my attempts to look oblivious....</p> <p>Thank God it was kissing yoga and not tantric yoga.</p> Risible,

Now that you mention it, I may have missed the rotations in my attempts to look oblivious….

Thank God it was kissing yoga and not tantric yoga.

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