Comments on: Have you seen my enriched uranium anywhere? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: chachaji http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134889 chachaji Mon, 07 May 2007 22:00:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134889 <p>Thanks from me too, Chill! I've been trying to follow this through the BBC Urdu audio news. They haven't mentioned anything about it at all in the last several days. This is puzzling. Also, the picture of the advert is no longer on the BBC English Southasia site next to the story text.</p> <p>Based on Chill's reading of the headline, my initial reaction would be that this is just a 'radioactive material awareness' poster. On the other hand, the mention of the 'possibility' of missing material 'from before the creation of Pakistan' helps me maintain some doubts.</p> <p>One sidebar to this - it is in fact true that regulation of nuclear materials before the 1946-47 period - whether in Britain or 'British India' - was almost non-existent. Radioactive materials, however, <i>were </i> in use back then - in luminosity applications - clocks and watches, aircraft instrumentation, etc; medical applications - X-rays; and exotic industrial applications such as uranium-doped glasses and ceramics. With the possible exception of X-ray equipment, I can't see how there could have been any significant radioactive material in the area that is now Pakistan before 1947. I did look at the list of registered radioactive material importers on the <a href="http://www.pnra.org">PNRA</a> website. Some of them are just P.O. Boxes; hopefully someone actually knows who they are.</p> Thanks from me too, Chill! I’ve been trying to follow this through the BBC Urdu audio news. They haven’t mentioned anything about it at all in the last several days. This is puzzling. Also, the picture of the advert is no longer on the BBC English Southasia site next to the story text.

Based on Chill’s reading of the headline, my initial reaction would be that this is just a ‘radioactive material awareness’ poster. On the other hand, the mention of the ‘possibility’ of missing material ‘from before the creation of Pakistan’ helps me maintain some doubts.

One sidebar to this – it is in fact true that regulation of nuclear materials before the 1946-47 period – whether in Britain or ‘British India’ – was almost non-existent. Radioactive materials, however, were in use back then – in luminosity applications – clocks and watches, aircraft instrumentation, etc; medical applications – X-rays; and exotic industrial applications such as uranium-doped glasses and ceramics. With the possible exception of X-ray equipment, I can’t see how there could have been any significant radioactive material in the area that is now Pakistan before 1947. I did look at the list of registered radioactive material importers on the PNRA website. Some of them are just P.O. Boxes; hopefully someone actually knows who they are.

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134887 Amardeep Mon, 07 May 2007 21:31:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134887 <p>Thanks, Chill! Very helpful.</p> Thanks, Chill! Very helpful.

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By: Chill http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134884 Chill Mon, 07 May 2007 21:09:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134884 <p>I should add that tabkari means radioactive in Urdu.</p> I should add that tabkari means radioactive in Urdu.

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By: Chill http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134882 Chill Mon, 07 May 2007 21:02:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134882 <p>I can't read the entire advert. Only the line above and below the radioactive sign. The other lines are too small. It reads:</p> <p>kya aap yeh nishan pechantay ho? Do you recognize this sign?</p> <p>Yeh tabkari ka nishan heh. This is a tabkari sign.</p> I can’t read the entire advert. Only the line above and below the radioactive sign. The other lines are too small. It reads:

kya aap yeh nishan pechantay ho? Do you recognize this sign?

Yeh tabkari ka nishan heh. This is a tabkari sign.

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By: Shankar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134410 Shankar Sat, 05 May 2007 02:20:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134410 <p>@ DDiA (#12) : Nicely done.</p> @ DDiA (#12) : Nicely done.

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By: Roddy Moradabadi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134206 Roddy Moradabadi Fri, 04 May 2007 15:58:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134206 <p>I agree that this print ad campaign is odd because the average person is unlikely to have a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter" target=_blank>Geiger counter</a>. But who knows, the next step in this public awareness program may include <a href="http://www.imagesco.com/articles/geiger/01.html" target=_blank>a D.I.Y. component</a> to nuclear material detection.</p> <p>As far as government actions being mostly lame to control the criminal element, this is analogous to gun control. Here, the goverment's action was running newspaper ads. It's a catch-22. Its efficacy in finding what <i>might not</i> even be lost could be a secondary consideration.</p> <p>The calculation here may be that it's better to do something public than nothing public, while working a clandestine investigation at the same time. You can bet that CIA agents are tapped into the black market arms trade, seeking out this sort of material as a priority.</p> I agree that this print ad campaign is odd because the average person is unlikely to have a Geiger counter. But who knows, the next step in this public awareness program may include a D.I.Y. component to nuclear material detection.

As far as government actions being mostly lame to control the criminal element, this is analogous to gun control. Here, the goverment’s action was running newspaper ads. It’s a catch-22. Its efficacy in finding what might not even be lost could be a secondary consideration.

The calculation here may be that it’s better to do something public than nothing public, while working a clandestine investigation at the same time. You can bet that CIA agents are tapped into the black market arms trade, seeking out this sort of material as a priority.

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By: anandbhai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134118 anandbhai Fri, 04 May 2007 03:58:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134118 <p>Where's MoorNam when you need him? Dude you're missing a huge shot to enlighten us all.</p> Where’s MoorNam when you need him? Dude you’re missing a huge shot to enlighten us all.

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By: DJ Drrrty Poonjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-134023 DJ Drrrty Poonjabi Thu, 03 May 2007 23:12:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-134023 <p>Even though this ad must be a pinnacle of bureaucratic doublespeak, you have to give it Pakistan for their rare attempt at glasnost. As far as I know, the US and Indian governments have yet to admit their potentially <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002705.html#comment109123">thermonuclear transgression</a>.</p> Even though this ad must be a pinnacle of bureaucratic doublespeak, you have to give it Pakistan for their rare attempt at glasnost. As far as I know, the US and Indian governments have yet to admit their potentially thermonuclear transgression.

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By: morris minor http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-133986 morris minor Thu, 03 May 2007 21:21:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-133986 <p>randomizer, many english-language pakistani newspapers are readily available on the internet: dawn, the daily times, the nation, the news, and the friday times, for starters. you can easily check them out and make your own assessment-- though your message here suggests your mind is already made up.</p> randomizer, many english-language pakistani newspapers are readily available on the internet: dawn, the daily times, the nation, the news, and the friday times, for starters. you can easily check them out and make your own assessment– though your message here suggests your mind is already made up.

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By: Shodan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/05/03/have_you_seen_m/comment-page-1/#comment-133984 Shodan Thu, 03 May 2007 21:18:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4402#comment-133984 <p>For shame Neale, Everyone knows the winner of the <a href="http://www.alghandi.com/">Golden Web Award</a>.</p> For shame Neale, Everyone knows the winner of the Golden Web Award.

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