Comments on: Skin deep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: isa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-194572 isa Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:11:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-194572 <p>"The woman in the cover looks beautiful but she looks 'Desi'. I don't mind, but should they not put a pashtun, tajik or hazara on the cover to be accurate about the demographics in Afghanistan - someone like this or this."</p> <h2>Ah, she could be Afghan or Iranian or something...</h2> <p>but its still feeding into the Western person's mindset of what an Afghan looks like. Because Afghans are brown, they're a part of those "brown" ppl that harass Israel all the way to the "brown" people in the southern tip of that place next to where thai food comes from, and some of those "brown" people travel to Mexico so they can cross our borders easily and marry white ppl to get lighter.....</p> <p>the publishers are feeding into the notion of "exotic" because if they put up the typical afghan: pashtun, tajik, uzbek, hazara ... then there's a chance they could look like too many things - and no one wants our globally-educated Western people to start being threatened by "white" "yellow" or "hapa" looking people (hapa - for lack of a better term).</p> <p>Better to keep the stereotype as everyone is "brown," and only the japanese and chinese are "yellow," only Anglos are "white" - that's what's so insulting about the cover.</p> <p>Its facilitated stereotypes likes these why people can't comprehend that the middle east is quite diverse, from their asian black ppl to their asian white ppl - although they all share a common thread of having (mostly) a semetic stock.</p> <p>the same reason why people can't comprehend that South Asians are quite diverse, with their asian black people, their asian white people, to yes, their asian "hapas" & "yellow" ppl - although they all share the common thread of having (mostly) an Indic stock.</p> <p>and finally its that very same stereotype why ppl can't comprehend Central Asia (& yes, Afghanistan is central asian) is quite diverse, with their asian black, white, yellow, and hapas - although they all share the common thread of having (mostly) an Iranic stock.</p> <p>Its not about hating ppl based on their skin, but only showing the world 1/10th of your country's potential and diversity - and the Western world ONLY allowing that 1/10th representation to exist.</p> “The woman in the cover looks beautiful but she looks ‘Desi’. I don’t mind, but should they not put a pashtun, tajik or hazara on the cover to be accurate about the demographics in Afghanistan – someone like this or this.”

Ah, she could be Afghan or Iranian or something…

but its still feeding into the Western person’s mindset of what an Afghan looks like. Because Afghans are brown, they’re a part of those “brown” ppl that harass Israel all the way to the “brown” people in the southern tip of that place next to where thai food comes from, and some of those “brown” people travel to Mexico so they can cross our borders easily and marry white ppl to get lighter…..

the publishers are feeding into the notion of “exotic” because if they put up the typical afghan: pashtun, tajik, uzbek, hazara … then there’s a chance they could look like too many things – and no one wants our globally-educated Western people to start being threatened by “white” “yellow” or “hapa” looking people (hapa – for lack of a better term).

Better to keep the stereotype as everyone is “brown,” and only the japanese and chinese are “yellow,” only Anglos are “white” – that’s what’s so insulting about the cover.

Its facilitated stereotypes likes these why people can’t comprehend that the middle east is quite diverse, from their asian black ppl to their asian white ppl – although they all share a common thread of having (mostly) a semetic stock.

the same reason why people can’t comprehend that South Asians are quite diverse, with their asian black people, their asian white people, to yes, their asian “hapas” & “yellow” ppl – although they all share the common thread of having (mostly) an Indic stock.

and finally its that very same stereotype why ppl can’t comprehend Central Asia (& yes, Afghanistan is central asian) is quite diverse, with their asian black, white, yellow, and hapas – although they all share the common thread of having (mostly) an Iranic stock.

Its not about hating ppl based on their skin, but only showing the world 1/10th of your country’s potential and diversity – and the Western world ONLY allowing that 1/10th representation to exist.

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By: SP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-133489 SP Wed, 02 May 2007 13:48:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-133489 <p>The virginity test and ways around it are a standard fixture of Arab society too. Hymenoplasties are popular procedures among women from wealthy backgrounds in the Gulf, particularly. In fact the official state mufti of Egypt OKed them as a mark of repentance for past promiscuities (most people found that really funny, though conservative folks were not amused).</p> <p>Marjane Satrapi's books are a riot. She's amazing.</p> The virginity test and ways around it are a standard fixture of Arab society too. Hymenoplasties are popular procedures among women from wealthy backgrounds in the Gulf, particularly. In fact the official state mufti of Egypt OKed them as a mark of repentance for past promiscuities (most people found that really funny, though conservative folks were not amused).

Marjane Satrapi’s books are a riot. She’s amazing.

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By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-133065 Filmiholic Tue, 01 May 2007 06:09:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-133065 <p>Hamara Ennis is familiar with Maeve Binchy's writing!?</p> <p>WOW. I would have never thought it!</p> <p>(And you do have a point. She was stuck in the '50s for quite a long time in her books, but, to her credit, she has moved ahead chronologically and geographically. She did a reading in NY years ago - a very rare thing indeed - and she was great fun to listen to. Just wind her up and let her go, and she seemed to go on until the Q & A without taking a breath!)</p> Hamara Ennis is familiar with Maeve Binchy’s writing!?

WOW. I would have never thought it!

(And you do have a point. She was stuck in the ’50s for quite a long time in her books, but, to her credit, she has moved ahead chronologically and geographically. She did a reading in NY years ago – a very rare thing indeed – and she was great fun to listen to. Just wind her up and let her go, and she seemed to go on until the Q & A without taking a breath!)

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-133015 Ennis Tue, 01 May 2007 03:48:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-133015 <p>Filmiholic - Maeve Binchy does a better job of writing, and her plots aren't all about just one main character.</p> Filmiholic – Maeve Binchy does a better job of writing, and her plots aren’t all about just one main character.

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By: Rachana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-133002 Rachana Tue, 01 May 2007 03:27:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-133002 <p>Here is a link to the author's interview on one of the popular shows on public radio (Diane Rehm from WAMU 88.5)</p> <p>http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/04/12.php#13000</p> Here is a link to the author’s interview on one of the popular shows on public radio (Diane Rehm from WAMU 88.5)

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/04/12.php#13000

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-132965 PG Tue, 01 May 2007 02:19:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-132965 <blockquote>As insane as this sounds and perhaps there is exaggeration involved I really don’t find it completely unrealistic to believe. The mother daughter relationship is extremely complex, add to that cultural expectations and deception can be easily involved. Think of our own culture where we hide so many things from our own parents for fear of so many different reactions and how it affects our relationship with them. In the middle east for example in Bahrain it’s not very uncommon to have girls brought into Ob/Gyns by prospective MILs and mothers to get ‘checked’ for their virginity and when the girls aren’t virgins the mothers more often than not don’t know it and perpetuate the demands from the culture just as much as the MILs. And yes in that case the attending doctor usually saves the girl by saying ‘yes she is a virgin’ and more often than not explains that ‘she doesn’t have to bleed even if she is a virgin’ to help her.</blockquote> <p>TRUE.</p> As insane as this sounds and perhaps there is exaggeration involved I really don’t find it completely unrealistic to believe. The mother daughter relationship is extremely complex, add to that cultural expectations and deception can be easily involved. Think of our own culture where we hide so many things from our own parents for fear of so many different reactions and how it affects our relationship with them. In the middle east for example in Bahrain it’s not very uncommon to have girls brought into Ob/Gyns by prospective MILs and mothers to get ‘checked’ for their virginity and when the girls aren’t virgins the mothers more often than not don’t know it and perpetuate the demands from the culture just as much as the MILs. And yes in that case the attending doctor usually saves the girl by saying ‘yes she is a virgin’ and more often than not explains that ‘she doesn’t have to bleed even if she is a virgin’ to help her.

TRUE.

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By: Filmiholic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-132933 Filmiholic Tue, 01 May 2007 01:12:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-132933 <blockquote>I can't believe there's still a market for this kind of lit. If you're caught between cultures, how many books do you need to read?</blockquote> <p>Ashi, as I read the snippets of the decription, it occurred to me that - absent the spices and rehashed giant bullseye Indian cultural indicators - this book sounds like something that could have been written by Dublin native, Maeve Binchy. That is, a book about women and their relationships. Not Literature with an "L", but sometimes a page-turning read on the train nonetheless.</p> <p>And then I got to wondering if maybe some of the audience for these books is not confused 2nd genners, but non-desi women who like Maeve Binchy-type novels and who get pulled in by the exotica on the cover....</p> I can’t believe there’s still a market for this kind of lit. If you’re caught between cultures, how many books do you need to read?

Ashi, as I read the snippets of the decription, it occurred to me that – absent the spices and rehashed giant bullseye Indian cultural indicators – this book sounds like something that could have been written by Dublin native, Maeve Binchy. That is, a book about women and their relationships. Not Literature with an “L”, but sometimes a page-turning read on the train nonetheless.

And then I got to wondering if maybe some of the audience for these books is not confused 2nd genners, but non-desi women who like Maeve Binchy-type novels and who get pulled in by the exotica on the cover….

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-132833 Neale Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:49:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-132833 <p>Slightly-to-completely-off-tagent..but i <i>have</i> to vent about <a href="http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-india29apr29">this</a> LAT travel article in the Sunday paper. It was so consistently patroniszing i was riveted. I wanted to throw my chappals at the clay pot hanging from my brocade ceiling.</p> Slightly-to-completely-off-tagent..but i have to vent about this LAT travel article in the Sunday paper. It was so consistently patroniszing i was riveted. I wanted to throw my chappals at the clay pot hanging from my brocade ceiling.

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By: Cyrus http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-132808 Cyrus Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:12:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-132808 <p>"The woman in the cover looks beautiful but she looks 'Desi'. I don't mind, but should they not put a pashtun, tajik or hazara on the cover to be accurate about the demographics in Afghanistan - someone like this or this."</p> <p>Ah, she could be Afghan or Iranian or something...</p> “The woman in the cover looks beautiful but she looks ‘Desi’. I don’t mind, but should they not put a pashtun, tajik or hazara on the cover to be accurate about the demographics in Afghanistan – someone like this or this.”

Ah, she could be Afghan or Iranian or something…

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By: Red Snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/skin_deep/comment-page-1/#comment-132789 Red Snapper Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:57:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4386#comment-132789 <blockquote>I can't believe there's still a market for this kind of lit. If you're caught between cultures, how many books do you need to read?</blockquote> <p>Here's two novels just published here in the UK by British Desi authors:</p> <p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ishq-Mushq-Priya-Basil/dp/0385611420/ref=sr_1_1/202-7042928-2434252?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177959134&sr=1-1">Ishq and Mushq </a> by Priya Basil</p> <p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bitter-Sweets-Roopa-Farooki/dp/1405089288/ref=sr_1_1/202-7042928-2434252?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177959154&sr=1-1">Bitter Sweets</a> by Roopa Farooki</p> <p>Both pan-generational family tales spanning the sub-continent and Britain, both featuring food and curry as central metaphors, even including that sensuality vibe in their titles.</p> <p>So you know what to do, if you want to get published guys. They love curry, they want curry novels, with a generation gap, and East and West things and bits.</p> I can’t believe there’s still a market for this kind of lit. If you’re caught between cultures, how many books do you need to read?

Here’s two novels just published here in the UK by British Desi authors:

Ishq and Mushq by Priya Basil

Bitter Sweets by Roopa Farooki

Both pan-generational family tales spanning the sub-continent and Britain, both featuring food and curry as central metaphors, even including that sensuality vibe in their titles.

So you know what to do, if you want to get published guys. They love curry, they want curry novels, with a generation gap, and East and West things and bits.

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