Comments on: Salt on wounds http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: pan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133397 pan Wed, 02 May 2007 01:38:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133397 <p>The most drastic culture shock I had experienced was within Bombay itself when I was admitted into med school in a very conservative part of the city. Most of my classmates came from the distant suburbs and at first I had absolutely nothing in common with them . Of course, eventually I did make some lasting friendships but the people I did get to know, were more of trend setters amongst their own peers/ family (living independantly, did not succumb to parental bullying to marry and such). I have lived in the mid-west and deep south in the US and found it to be very very conservative/ traditional. Liquor shops that close on sunday so people could go to church, WTF! My dad was quite upset (and amused) when he found out about that. People have dress codes and really care about how they appear to others (in terms of being conformist).</p> <p>ETA- In Bombay, I grew up in a liberal environment/ part of the city that can only rival certain areas of manhattan and maybe some cities in western europe.</p> The most drastic culture shock I had experienced was within Bombay itself when I was admitted into med school in a very conservative part of the city. Most of my classmates came from the distant suburbs and at first I had absolutely nothing in common with them . Of course, eventually I did make some lasting friendships but the people I did get to know, were more of trend setters amongst their own peers/ family (living independantly, did not succumb to parental bullying to marry and such). I have lived in the mid-west and deep south in the US and found it to be very very conservative/ traditional. Liquor shops that close on sunday so people could go to church, WTF! My dad was quite upset (and amused) when he found out about that. People have dress codes and really care about how they appear to others (in terms of being conformist).

ETA- In Bombay, I grew up in a liberal environment/ part of the city that can only rival certain areas of manhattan and maybe some cities in western europe.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133332 PG Tue, 01 May 2007 22:27:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133332 <blockquote>And I'd like to mention that without fail, the people who indulge in this kind of wacky saccharine "romantic" public behavior tend to have really unstable love lives, and if their PDA is insufferable, the stormy melodramatic aftermaths are far worse. Please, for the love of all that is good, if you recognize yourself in this, just stop. Your friends will thank you.</blockquote> <p>This friend won't.</p> <p>It reminds me that joy and affection are still worthy goals in such a dismal, war-torn world.</p> And I’d like to mention that without fail, the people who indulge in this kind of wacky saccharine “romantic” public behavior tend to have really unstable love lives, and if their PDA is insufferable, the stormy melodramatic aftermaths are far worse. Please, for the love of all that is good, if you recognize yourself in this, just stop. Your friends will thank you.

This friend won’t.

It reminds me that joy and affection are still worthy goals in such a dismal, war-torn world.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133328 PG Tue, 01 May 2007 22:20:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133328 <p>Of course there will be some level of "culture shock" travelling between India and "the West" or vice versa.</p> <p>My biggest culture shock was always on the bus between Mathura and New Delhi. To go from such two different headspaces in such a short period of time (3hours), was a real body/mind/soul trip.</p> Of course there will be some level of “culture shock” travelling between India and “the West” or vice versa.

My biggest culture shock was always on the bus between Mathura and New Delhi. To go from such two different headspaces in such a short period of time (3hours), was a real body/mind/soul trip.

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By: Randomizer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133251 Randomizer Tue, 01 May 2007 20:18:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133251 <p>I moved from Bangalore to a small town in Texas a couple of years ago, where I am currently. Frankly, some transitions are progressive, others are just plain backwards.</p> <p>For instance - the transition in terms of clothing(or the lack of it) was significant enough to be called a culture shock . But other things like the conservatism, religious beliefs etc were just so ridiculously backwards here. I completely agree that it depends on which part of India you are from and where exactly in the US you arrive at.</p> I moved from Bangalore to a small town in Texas a couple of years ago, where I am currently. Frankly, some transitions are progressive, others are just plain backwards.

For instance – the transition in terms of clothing(or the lack of it) was significant enough to be called a culture shock . But other things like the conservatism, religious beliefs etc were just so ridiculously backwards here. I completely agree that it depends on which part of India you are from and where exactly in the US you arrive at.

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By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133194 hema Tue, 01 May 2007 18:53:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133194 <p>Er, that should be "probably <u>not</u> the norm".</p> Er, that should be “probably not the norm”.

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By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133192 hema Tue, 01 May 2007 18:51:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133192 <p><i>Basically, outside of the big cities, tolerance declines faster than it does in the Northeast</i></p> <p>That may be true, and I have little anecdotal evidence either way, having mostly lived in urban areas in the East and the Midwest. I actually like the Midwest better, for various reasons (except the weather...good grief).</p> <p>However, I did live in a very small Midwestern town (for college), and I didn't find its social mores that foreign to me, as a desi person from the East coast. Also, I didn't run into any intolerance or discrimination, but that was a pre-9/11 world, and college towns are different from other small towns.</p> <p>I also realize my experience of small towns is probably the norm. I grew up in a smaller city in Canada, where I was the only Indian in my entire elementary school. I probably just dated myself by admitting that! ;)</p> Basically, outside of the big cities, tolerance declines faster than it does in the Northeast

That may be true, and I have little anecdotal evidence either way, having mostly lived in urban areas in the East and the Midwest. I actually like the Midwest better, for various reasons (except the weather…good grief).

However, I did live in a very small Midwestern town (for college), and I didn’t find its social mores that foreign to me, as a desi person from the East coast. Also, I didn’t run into any intolerance or discrimination, but that was a pre-9/11 world, and college towns are different from other small towns.

I also realize my experience of small towns is probably the norm. I grew up in a smaller city in Canada, where I was the only Indian in my entire elementary school. I probably just dated myself by admitting that! ;)

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133185 Ennis Tue, 01 May 2007 18:42:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133185 <blockquote>but the Midwest is not different "in significant ways", IMO.</blockquote> <p>Dunno - I live here now, but I find it different in ways that irk me ... Basically, outside of the big cities, tolerance declines faster than it does in the Northeast. That's grist for another post though.</p> but the Midwest is not different “in significant ways”, IMO.

Dunno – I live here now, but I find it different in ways that irk me … Basically, outside of the big cities, tolerance declines faster than it does in the Northeast. That’s grist for another post though.

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By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133179 hema Tue, 01 May 2007 18:26:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133179 <p><i>the East and West coasts are different from the Midwest and the South, in significant ways, and to expect this not to reflect in the experiences of the freshly-arrived is naive.</i></p> <p>I can't speak for the South, having never lived there and having visited only infrequently. However, having lived on the East coast and the Midwest, I think the so-called cultural differences between the areas are grossly exaggerated. Yes, there are minor differences (and I don't discount the possibility that a person from urban India and a person from small-town India will have different perspectives), but the Midwest is not different "in significant ways", IMO.</p> the East and West coasts are different from the Midwest and the South, in significant ways, and to expect this not to reflect in the experiences of the freshly-arrived is naive.

I can’t speak for the South, having never lived there and having visited only infrequently. However, having lived on the East coast and the Midwest, I think the so-called cultural differences between the areas are grossly exaggerated. Yes, there are minor differences (and I don’t discount the possibility that a person from urban India and a person from small-town India will have different perspectives), but the Midwest is not different “in significant ways”, IMO.

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By: chachaji http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133177 chachaji Tue, 01 May 2007 18:21:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133177 <blockquote>I think the culture shock for someone from India is the same, regardless of where they first end up in the US.</blockquote> <p>I know you speak broad-brush, but the details are also interesting, and perhaps significant. I don't think someone moving from a college in Mumbai to, just for example, NYU - experiences anything like what a student from, say, Gorakhpur, experiences in, small-town Texas. And, although we go over this every few days here at SM, the East and West coasts <i>are</i> different from the Midwest and the South, in significant ways, and to expect this not to reflect in the experiences of the freshly-arrived is naive.</p> I think the culture shock for someone from India is the same, regardless of where they first end up in the US.

I know you speak broad-brush, but the details are also interesting, and perhaps significant. I don’t think someone moving from a college in Mumbai to, just for example, NYU – experiences anything like what a student from, say, Gorakhpur, experiences in, small-town Texas. And, although we go over this every few days here at SM, the East and West coasts are different from the Midwest and the South, in significant ways, and to expect this not to reflect in the experiences of the freshly-arrived is naive.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/30/salt_on_wounds/comment-page-2/#comment-133176 Ennis Tue, 01 May 2007 18:20:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4388#comment-133176 <blockquote>Oh, and I note that the one constant in any SM discussion is coastal bias against the Midwest. ;)</blockquote> <p>Yes, but we still hold meetups in Chicago.</p> Oh, and I note that the one constant in any SM discussion is coastal bias against the Midwest. ;)

Yes, but we still hold meetups in Chicago.

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