Comments on: Allergic to Hypocrisy? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134906 PG Mon, 07 May 2007 22:59:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134906 <blockquote>No strings attached = no entanglement eh?</blockquote> <p>Yep. You pay, you do, you leave. And if you use a condom, no further entanglement.</p> <p>Whereas if you marry and have kids, big samsar, big entanglement, no moksha for long time.</p> No strings attached = no entanglement eh?

Yep. You pay, you do, you leave. And if you use a condom, no further entanglement.

Whereas if you marry and have kids, big samsar, big entanglement, no moksha for long time.

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By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134700 Jasmine Sun, 06 May 2007 17:38:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134700 <p>Ooooo...isn't it FUN to make a mountain out of a mole hill?! Makes the blood flow to the nether regions, doesn't it? Makes one feel ALIVE! Let me run and get my ruler... English or metric, which does one prefer? Decisions, decisions...</p> Ooooo…isn’t it FUN to make a mountain out of a mole hill?! Makes the blood flow to the nether regions, doesn’t it? Makes one feel ALIVE! Let me run and get my ruler… English or metric, which does one prefer? Decisions, decisions…

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By: Kalavai Venkat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134689 Kalavai Venkat Sun, 06 May 2007 13:47:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134689 <p><i>FYI, the british stood against brahminical temple prostitution. For centuries if not millenia it never occurred to the brahmins that this abomination along with the abominations of child marriage, widow burning, untouchability etc were wrong.</i></p> <p>The British stood against prostitution after wresting power from OBC and Muslim chieftans and creating British India. They brought on the penury that forced thousands of women into prostitution. That was something even the Mughals werent able to do. And for your information, who do you think runs Mumbai prostitution rings? Do you have any idea of the Mumbai mafia, the money from the Middle East? When was the last time you actualy visited India? Brahmin priests are not in charge :-)</p> <p><i>The muslim invaders made brahmins wear nose bags filled with minced beef and treated them as dhimmis; the british colonials treated them as an inferior race along with the rest of indians, and you are proud of this "accommodation"?</i></p> <p>And what were the shudra toddy tappers doing? Still tapping toddy I suppose, or cutting sugar cane from the fields while the kings changed? ;-) You think your twisted stories make Brahmins look evil. They actually make shudras look stupid and powerless. The resentment you feel has everything to do with the fact that Brahmins took over the administrative apparatus of the state during British rule. As a result of this you and the rest of the Dravidianists invented 5000 years of oppression and established reservations for yourselves. Of course you can never substantiate the opprression claims outside of dravidianist-missionary sources. You think your being righteous, but you're actually racist. Since Brahmins are a tiny minority, your vicious hatred is akin to anti-semitism.</p> FYI, the british stood against brahminical temple prostitution. For centuries if not millenia it never occurred to the brahmins that this abomination along with the abominations of child marriage, widow burning, untouchability etc were wrong.

The British stood against prostitution after wresting power from OBC and Muslim chieftans and creating British India. They brought on the penury that forced thousands of women into prostitution. That was something even the Mughals werent able to do. And for your information, who do you think runs Mumbai prostitution rings? Do you have any idea of the Mumbai mafia, the money from the Middle East? When was the last time you actualy visited India? Brahmin priests are not in charge :-)

The muslim invaders made brahmins wear nose bags filled with minced beef and treated them as dhimmis; the british colonials treated them as an inferior race along with the rest of indians, and you are proud of this “accommodation”?

And what were the shudra toddy tappers doing? Still tapping toddy I suppose, or cutting sugar cane from the fields while the kings changed? ;-) You think your twisted stories make Brahmins look evil. They actually make shudras look stupid and powerless. The resentment you feel has everything to do with the fact that Brahmins took over the administrative apparatus of the state during British rule. As a result of this you and the rest of the Dravidianists invented 5000 years of oppression and established reservations for yourselves. Of course you can never substantiate the opprression claims outside of dravidianist-missionary sources. You think your being righteous, but you’re actually racist. Since Brahmins are a tiny minority, your vicious hatred is akin to anti-semitism.

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By: Avi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134672 Avi Sun, 06 May 2007 07:46:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134672 <p>Whoah. How did this issue go from profanity to sexual trafficking in the span of two (?) days.</p> Whoah. How did this issue go from profanity to sexual trafficking in the span of two (?) days.

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By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134669 Jasmine Sun, 06 May 2007 06:07:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134669 <p>Whoa, mama... Where's my popcorn...?</p> Whoa, mama… Where’s my popcorn…?

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By: Prema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134668 Prema Sun, 06 May 2007 06:03:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134668 <blockquote>What a laugh. In the majority of the posts you offer references for, you cite to wikipedia.</blockquote> <p>Stubbornly, brazenly dishonest. That was a <b>brahminical</b> reference not wikipedia. What part of "By the persisting pressure of the British lobby against the devasasis the Indian Government eventually launched the Anti-Nautch Act, 1947. <b>The Act not only terminated the entire caste of devadasis, but also the last brahminical profession discharged by the Indian woman</b>." were you unable to follow?</p> <blockquote>Absolutely biased report. Undoubtedly the product of leftist and/or anti-Hindu propagandists. For your information, prostitution swelled most remarkably during the British period</blockquote> <p>FYI, the british stood against brahminical temple prostitution. For centuries if not millenia it never occurred to the brahmins that this abomination along with the abominations of child marriage, widow burning, untouchability etc were wrong. In fact brahmins actively lobbied the british to desist from banning the "noble" custom of burning widows alive! The Shankaracharya of Puri even tried to get independent India to overrule the british ban against the "glorious" custom of widow-burning.</p> <p>The British are long gone but brahmins are still consecrating little girls as devadasis and selling their virginity to the highest bidder. There is no denying the role of brahminical devadasism in the rampant child prostitution in India.</p> <blockquote>We accomodated ourselves to the existing power structure.</blockquote> <p>Interesting that you are so proud of this "accommodation" to muslim and british rule. The muslim invaders made brahmins wear nose bags filled with minced beef and treated them as dhimmis; the british colonials treated them as an inferior race along with the rest of indians, and you are proud of this "accommodation"?</p> What a laugh. In the majority of the posts you offer references for, you cite to wikipedia.

Stubbornly, brazenly dishonest. That was a brahminical reference not wikipedia. What part of “By the persisting pressure of the British lobby against the devasasis the Indian Government eventually launched the Anti-Nautch Act, 1947. The Act not only terminated the entire caste of devadasis, but also the last brahminical profession discharged by the Indian woman.” were you unable to follow?

Absolutely biased report. Undoubtedly the product of leftist and/or anti-Hindu propagandists. For your information, prostitution swelled most remarkably during the British period

FYI, the british stood against brahminical temple prostitution. For centuries if not millenia it never occurred to the brahmins that this abomination along with the abominations of child marriage, widow burning, untouchability etc were wrong. In fact brahmins actively lobbied the british to desist from banning the “noble” custom of burning widows alive! The Shankaracharya of Puri even tried to get independent India to overrule the british ban against the “glorious” custom of widow-burning.

The British are long gone but brahmins are still consecrating little girls as devadasis and selling their virginity to the highest bidder. There is no denying the role of brahminical devadasism in the rampant child prostitution in India.

We accomodated ourselves to the existing power structure.

Interesting that you are so proud of this “accommodation” to muslim and british rule. The muslim invaders made brahmins wear nose bags filled with minced beef and treated them as dhimmis; the british colonials treated them as an inferior race along with the rest of indians, and you are proud of this “accommodation”?

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By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134667 Jasmine Sun, 06 May 2007 06:00:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134667 <blockquote>Further, no matter which way you cut it, the constant questioning about India most definitely comes across as condescending. Everything you question turns out to be less morally repugnant in the US than in India by a long shot. Naturally, because both sides use American standards. To me it doesn't look like people really care to understand whatever the heck is happening back in the desh as much as they sort of feel an urgency to establish that they themselves are morally above it all. </blockquote> <p>Hey! That part's Divya's too, not mine! Sorry about that! Missed the quotey thingy. (that's an offical term, I'm sure)</p> Further, no matter which way you cut it, the constant questioning about India most definitely comes across as condescending. Everything you question turns out to be less morally repugnant in the US than in India by a long shot. Naturally, because both sides use American standards. To me it doesn’t look like people really care to understand whatever the heck is happening back in the desh as much as they sort of feel an urgency to establish that they themselves are morally above it all.

Hey! That part’s Divya’s too, not mine! Sorry about that! Missed the quotey thingy. (that’s an offical term, I’m sure)

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By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134665 Jasmine Sun, 06 May 2007 05:57:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134665 <p>Anna wrote:</p> <blockquote>I want people to explain things I don't understand. That's why I'm here.</blockquote> <p>Then Divya wrote:</p> <blockquote>But most of the questions themselves are loaded. In other words, some questions can only be generated in a particular culture, in this case the US culture. From the Indian perspective many of the question are ill-posed and any attempt to answer such questions ends up bracketing Indians within a framework that does not actually exist in India. The culture is misrepresented by the simple fact of asking the question and further in answering the question. DBD's end up taking these questions seriously because there is a tacit acceptance of the fact that people from the US somehow know what they're talking about. Further, no matter which way you cut it, the constant questioning about India most definitely comes across as condescending. Everything you question turns out to be less morally repugnant in the US than in India by a long shot. Naturally, because both sides use American standards. To me it doesn't look like people really care to understand whatever the heck is happening back in the desh as much as they sort of feel an urgency to establish that they themselves are morally above it all.</blockquote> <p>Divya, this is very interesting to me, and I have a theory... I was just in India, and one of my best friends (who has never lived outside of India) and I (never lived out of the US) were doing the usual compare/contrast thing, and we started talking about shopping. She was morally outraged that she couldn't take my gora husband certain places that she wanted to take him because shopkeepers would instantly go into "let's rip off the gora, what's Rs. 100 to him?" mode. As we got to talking, she said that when going about her business, running errands in India, she had to assume everyone was out to get her/cheat her...read: Trust No One. Guilty until proven innocent. I, on the other hand, have the exact opposite mindset. In the US, you're SUPPOSED to assume your average Joe's telling the truth and NOT out to get you, and give people the benefit of the doubt unless/until they show you otherwise.</p> <p>Sooooo...I think maybe this is why you may see offenses where none are intended.</p> <p>Anna, on this note (your quote above), don't change. Remember when our teachers said the only stupid question was the one we didn't ask? It only hurts for a minute, like ripping off a band-aid, but it's only by braving it, taking the risks you do, exposing your vulnerable underbelly to virtual strangers in this forum...this kind of open and honest communication is the only way human beings ever truly find the source of our disconnects and hope to repair them. So: chin up and keep blogging, babe!!</p> Anna wrote:

I want people to explain things I don’t understand. That’s why I’m here.

Then Divya wrote:

But most of the questions themselves are loaded. In other words, some questions can only be generated in a particular culture, in this case the US culture. From the Indian perspective many of the question are ill-posed and any attempt to answer such questions ends up bracketing Indians within a framework that does not actually exist in India. The culture is misrepresented by the simple fact of asking the question and further in answering the question. DBD’s end up taking these questions seriously because there is a tacit acceptance of the fact that people from the US somehow know what they’re talking about. Further, no matter which way you cut it, the constant questioning about India most definitely comes across as condescending. Everything you question turns out to be less morally repugnant in the US than in India by a long shot. Naturally, because both sides use American standards. To me it doesn’t look like people really care to understand whatever the heck is happening back in the desh as much as they sort of feel an urgency to establish that they themselves are morally above it all.

Divya, this is very interesting to me, and I have a theory… I was just in India, and one of my best friends (who has never lived outside of India) and I (never lived out of the US) were doing the usual compare/contrast thing, and we started talking about shopping. She was morally outraged that she couldn’t take my gora husband certain places that she wanted to take him because shopkeepers would instantly go into “let’s rip off the gora, what’s Rs. 100 to him?” mode. As we got to talking, she said that when going about her business, running errands in India, she had to assume everyone was out to get her/cheat her…read: Trust No One. Guilty until proven innocent. I, on the other hand, have the exact opposite mindset. In the US, you’re SUPPOSED to assume your average Joe’s telling the truth and NOT out to get you, and give people the benefit of the doubt unless/until they show you otherwise.

Sooooo…I think maybe this is why you may see offenses where none are intended.

Anna, on this note (your quote above), don’t change. Remember when our teachers said the only stupid question was the one we didn’t ask? It only hurts for a minute, like ripping off a band-aid, but it’s only by braving it, taking the risks you do, exposing your vulnerable underbelly to virtual strangers in this forum…this kind of open and honest communication is the only way human beings ever truly find the source of our disconnects and hope to repair them. So: chin up and keep blogging, babe!!

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By: Kalavai Venkat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134661 Kalavai Venkat Sun, 06 May 2007 05:05:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134661 <p><i>Dumb and brazenly dishonest. I gave you a brahminical source, not wikipedia (which is susceptible to disinformation by apologists for casteism such as yourself):</i></p> <p>What a laugh. In the majority of the posts you offer references for, you cite to wikipedia. How pathetic are you going to get tonight :-)</p> <p><i>To feed the sex market, tens of thousands of girls as young as 12 are recruited in Bombay and other cities; many are devadasis, "slaves of god," a distorted legacy of a 7th century religious practice in which girls were dedicated to temples for lives of dance and prayer. </i></p> <p>Absolutely biased report. Undoubtedly the product of leftist and/or anti-Hindu propagandists. For your information, prostitution swelled most remarkably during the British period, when much of the Indian countryside was reduced to penury - read any decent history of India not written by missionary-Dravidianists. The main cause of prostitution today is poverty, not Brahmins.</p> <p><i>Try this version: "Who taught the brahmins this? Were you really so dumb and inferior in intelligence to muslims and the british that you would allow them full authority?". Whats your answer?</i></p> <p>You were the ones in charge. We accomodated ourselves to the existing power structure. When it came time to fight for freedom it was the OBCs who cozied up to the British, or lobbied for silly things like Dravdiastan. We didn't. I see you've come a long way, a media celebrity of sorts, worth of Lord Murugan :-)</p> Dumb and brazenly dishonest. I gave you a brahminical source, not wikipedia (which is susceptible to disinformation by apologists for casteism such as yourself):

What a laugh. In the majority of the posts you offer references for, you cite to wikipedia. How pathetic are you going to get tonight :-)

To feed the sex market, tens of thousands of girls as young as 12 are recruited in Bombay and other cities; many are devadasis, “slaves of god,” a distorted legacy of a 7th century religious practice in which girls were dedicated to temples for lives of dance and prayer.

Absolutely biased report. Undoubtedly the product of leftist and/or anti-Hindu propagandists. For your information, prostitution swelled most remarkably during the British period, when much of the Indian countryside was reduced to penury – read any decent history of India not written by missionary-Dravidianists. The main cause of prostitution today is poverty, not Brahmins.

Try this version: “Who taught the brahmins this? Were you really so dumb and inferior in intelligence to muslims and the british that you would allow them full authority?”. Whats your answer?

You were the ones in charge. We accomodated ourselves to the existing power structure. When it came time to fight for freedom it was the OBCs who cozied up to the British, or lobbied for silly things like Dravdiastan. We didn’t. I see you’ve come a long way, a media celebrity of sorts, worth of Lord Murugan :-)

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By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/29/allergic_to_hyp/comment-page-5/#comment-134660 Jasmine Sun, 06 May 2007 05:03:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4383#comment-134660 <blockquote>Many of the people who take the time to comment do so because they can't stand my posts or often, if we want to be really blunt or realistic about it-- me. Beyond that, I don't think it's because my posts are loved (but Thank You!), I think it's what you said, that SM keeps you informed and that's what keeps y'all coming back for Sepia crack.</blockquote> <p>Anna, no I'm reasonably well-informed by a myriad of other sources. It's because I love your posts...and sheesh, if you have to know, you're growing on me, too... That's what keeps me coming back! Honest!</p> <p>Also loved these:</p> <h1>117 · Pondatti</h1> <h1>75 · coach diesel</h1> <h1>78 · ennis</h1> Many of the people who take the time to comment do so because they can’t stand my posts or often, if we want to be really blunt or realistic about it– me. Beyond that, I don’t think it’s because my posts are loved (but Thank You!), I think it’s what you said, that SM keeps you informed and that’s what keeps y’all coming back for Sepia crack.

Anna, no I’m reasonably well-informed by a myriad of other sources. It’s because I love your posts…and sheesh, if you have to know, you’re growing on me, too… That’s what keeps me coming back! Honest!

Also loved these:

117 · Pondatti

75 · coach diesel

78 · ennis

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