Tell that to the desi lemmings who have fallen for the fad of hiring white coaches.

Hate is hate. Just because it’s directed against white people doesn’t make it any better.

Truly pathetic and twisted. Criticizing the fad of hiring foreign white coaches on the basis of their sorry performance in World Cups, and pointing out the obnoxious racism of aussies, is hate in your’s and Taj’s eyes, but this is not:

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/story/0,10069,878108,00.html

“The Darren Lehmann case has exposed a double standard in the Australian cricket community.”

“Team-mates and associates have described Lehmann’s slur as an “out of character” act, committed “in the heat of the moment” by someone who is “universally regarded as a nice guy”. Instead it is the Sri Lankans who are rendered villains, oversensitive and unmanly to complain.”

“To believe this was the first time Lehmann used this terrible language about black people is to show the indulgence of a parent who believes their teenager’s “it was my first joint” defence.

Lehmann’s misfortune is that he is the man who got caught revealing the unwitting racism that infuses not only Australian cricketing culture but mainstream Australia.

Lehmann’s supporters cannot understand the difference between calling someone a “cunt” and a “black cunt”. Nor, presumably, can they understand that it is offensive for our media commentators to speak of the Sri Lankans as “babbling” in the field, as “leaping about with great big smiles” or as “little guys”. Monkeys babble. Little black sambos have great big smiles.”

“Three years ago, when India toured Australia, I interviewed Indian-Australians who were supporting India……a more pungent reason for those Indian flags at the Sydney Cricket Ground was that fathers resented the exclusion of their sons from local and school teams. Every family I interviewed had a story of a boy who had been shut out of the “in” group because of his race, or his teetotalism, or some other cultural difference.”

“Rather than shame, our cricket community tends to feel pride in this ethnic wholeness…..While English sporting clubs struggle to harmonise different cultures, Australian clubs fix the problem by leaving non-whites out.”

“On a tour to India, I heard two Australian cricketers call the locals “niggers”. I saw Australian cricketers coming across Indians sleeping on a railway platformin Jamshedpur and nudging them awake with their feet in order to take a happy snap.“

Has anyone found any good writing on the match and some appropriately histrionic hindsight anywhere other than Cricinfo?

TajUK and Shodan, thank you for your posts, and particularly your responses to an idiotic proposition.

The one good thing that could come out of this perhaps is the realization that the fad of gora coaches for desi teams has run its course. Sri Lanka’s coach is an aussie. Talk about divided loyalties. Pakistan and India, also coached by goras, were humiliated in this World Cup. Bangladesh on the other hand, with a Sri Lankan coach, enjoyed two major upset wins. All the World Cup Championships won by desi teams have been under desi coaches.

It’s the ability of the coach — not his skin colour that matters. Hate is hate. Just because it’s directed against white people doesn’t make it any better.

Racism n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism%20

Stereotype n.
1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image. 2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stereotype

Now, consider them in relation to some of the things you’ve written, and see if you can gain a little self-knowledge:

if you really were anti-racist you too would be having a go at the aussies, who are notorious for their racism

Desis are easy pushovers and easily divided because of such an attitude, which happens to be quite common.

There are truths in generalizations and stereotypes. Indians are casteist; Aussies are racist. Exceptions prove the rule.

You are being dishonest. Here’s what you wrote:

I could cite John Wright along with Whatmore and Dav Whatmore as foreign coaches who have had success with subcontinent teams; but, no doubt, you’d suggest he was actually from Calcutta instead of Canterbury.

You pretty much cleansed Whatmore of his Sri Lankan identity and made him a foreigner to his own people and to the land of his birth.

We are more than just our blood. To have a go at all gora (“white”) coaches just for being white is racism – pure and simple.

Firstly, I was having a go at the desi fad of hiring white coaches. Secondly, if you really were anti-racist you too would be having a go at the aussies, who are notorious for their racism. Instead you are defending them passionately.

By the way, I also regularly have a go at indian casteism, which is more vile and offensive than aussie racism. Whats your stand on that issue? Will you come up with exceptions here as well to deny that its a problem?

I would object just as much if you denigrated black, Chinese or any other peoples in such a manner.

But you are showing scant objection to the far greater denigration of desis by aussies. Instead you are busy showing the “other side of the coin” with silly examples like Brett Lee singing a duet with Asha Bhosle. I am denigrating racists and you are defending them.

the Brett Lee comment was supposed to be jocular

Sure doesn’t read that way.

Steve Waugh’s charity work in India

Using that as an exoneration of aussie racism towards desis is as dishonest and dumb as using the charity work done by Schweitzer in Africa to exonerate white racism towards africans.

Please don’t try to implicate me as some Uncle Tom figure

Your posts implicate you. Desis are easy pushovers and easily divided because of such an attitude, which happens to be quite common.

I do know where my sympathies are, and I know that they are opposed to negative generalisations of people on racial grounds.

Aussies go around calling Indians “niggers” and being incredibly rude to the locals even when guests in India. That goes beyond just “negative generalisations of people on racial grounds”. When I point out aussie racism you come to their defense and call me a racist!

There are truths in generalizations and stereotypes. Indians are casteist; Aussies are racist. Exceptions prove the rule. You are more concerned with providing exceptions to deny aussie racism than in objecting to their denigration of your fellow desis. That shows where your sympathies lie.

Well said Taj, needed to be said. Prema has form — he / she decided to make racist generalisations of Koreans in the aftermath of the recent shootings in America.

As was your attempt to exonerate the aussie cricket team from the charge of racism towards Indians by giving the example of Brett Lee singing a duet with Asha Bhosle!

Please don’t take me out of context. Firstly, the Brett Lee comment was supposed to be jocular. Secondly, what I wrote was preceded by a recognition of a past example of racist behaviour by an Australian player; in considering both these examples (and Steve Waugh’s charity work in India) I was endeavouring to show both sides of the coin. To say that all Aussie cricketers are racist is just as bad as saying all Pakistanis are terrorists or all Indians are effigy-burning fanatics. Thirdly, this:

Its pretty obvious where your sympathies lie.

Please don’t try to implicate me as some Uncle Tom figure; it suggests that you’re attacking me as a person rather than my arguments. But I would say this: I do know where my sympathies are, and I know that they are opposed to negative generalisations of people on racial grounds. You, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with that.