Comments on: Radically private water http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dave M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-156415 Dave M Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:33:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-156415 <p>There are other new/promising technologies as well, which haven't been mentioned...</p> <p>For one, check out WaterHealth International: www.waterhealth.com. They set up rural water purification centers using a special UV technology developed at Berkeley... the water is sold for about $0.01 per gallon.</p> <p>By the way, I doubt the straw will work out well in India... on account of the "juta" concept, which is very much ingrained throughout much of the country.</p> There are other new/promising technologies as well, which haven’t been mentioned…

For one, check out WaterHealth International: http://www.waterhealth.com. They set up rural water purification centers using a special UV technology developed at Berkeley… the water is sold for about $0.01 per gallon.

By the way, I doubt the straw will work out well in India… on account of the “juta” concept, which is very much ingrained throughout much of the country.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-132723 Camille Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:33:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-132723 <p>I think solar disinfection is so interesting, but unfortunately it seems pretty limiting, too, depending on where people are located, the container they use, how much time they have, etc.</p> <p>I'm surprised no one's mentioned chlorine disinfection. It's not as good as boiling, but much faster and generally a bit cheaper (at least the resources distributed by PSI).</p> I think solar disinfection is so interesting, but unfortunately it seems pretty limiting, too, depending on where people are located, the container they use, how much time they have, etc.

I’m surprised no one’s mentioned chlorine disinfection. It’s not as good as boiling, but much faster and generally a bit cheaper (at least the resources distributed by PSI).

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By: DJ Drrrty Poonjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-132172 DJ Drrrty Poonjabi Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:50:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-132172 <p>Good points, Scott.</p> Good points, Scott.

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By: Scott http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-132159 Scott Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:14:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-132159 <p>The lifestraw is an intriguing idea, but there could be a major problem implementing it. I wonder if people would actually use it or if it would be just another piece of development bric-a-brac that ultimately doesn't go anywhere. Is the plan really to have millions of poor people around South Asia to have one of these gadgets hanging around their neck? I think it might cause a bit of stigma. I can remember reading a time when dalits were forced to carry clay spittoons around their neck so that their contaminated spit wouldn't dirty the upper caste's environment (who presumably could plaster their saliva wherever they wanted). The straw would be a very visible marker of class differences and--while that is already there in a myriad of ways--would probably not be taken up whole heartedly.</p> <p>Also, the iconography of drinking would change. The rural poor would be depicted always drinking water through these straws, what would happen to cups? It's small things like this that destroy well intended projects.</p> <p>scott</p> The lifestraw is an intriguing idea, but there could be a major problem implementing it. I wonder if people would actually use it or if it would be just another piece of development bric-a-brac that ultimately doesn’t go anywhere. Is the plan really to have millions of poor people around South Asia to have one of these gadgets hanging around their neck? I think it might cause a bit of stigma. I can remember reading a time when dalits were forced to carry clay spittoons around their neck so that their contaminated spit wouldn’t dirty the upper caste’s environment (who presumably could plaster their saliva wherever they wanted). The straw would be a very visible marker of class differences and–while that is already there in a myriad of ways–would probably not be taken up whole heartedly.

Also, the iconography of drinking would change. The rural poor would be depicted always drinking water through these straws, what would happen to cups? It’s small things like this that destroy well intended projects.

scott

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By: Sudeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-131810 Sudeep Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:58:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-131810 <p>Ennis baba,</p> <p>the link I posted states that ~70% of Indian population in rural areas, and ~90% of Indian population in urban areas has access to protected water sources. Lot of difference between 75% and 30% no ?</p> Ennis baba,

the link I posted states that ~70% of Indian population in rural areas, and ~90% of Indian population in urban areas has access to protected water sources. Lot of difference between 75% and 30% no ?

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-131788 Ennis Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:13:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-131788 <p>Oh, that's so that people know that we've written about it before.</p> Oh, that’s so that people know that we’ve written about it before.

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By: Sudeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-131787 Sudeep Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:12:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-131787 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>We think water is sexy here at Sepia Mutiny. We've had several different posts on it, from different bloggers with very different perspectives. We're all about the wet sari contests ample provision of clean water to the people.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>So sexy, that we dont hesitate to provide our own blog as a reference for 'maybe 30% Indians have access to safe drinking water' when the first link thats spit at you if you google "India water supply" is ~</p> <p>http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/genrep/wtrsani.pdf</p>

We think water is sexy here at Sepia Mutiny. We’ve had several different posts on it, from different bloggers with very different perspectives. We’re all about the wet sari contests ample provision of clean water to the people.

So sexy, that we dont hesitate to provide our own blog as a reference for ‘maybe 30% Indians have access to safe drinking water’ when the first link thats spit at you if you google “India water supply” is ~

http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/genrep/wtrsani.pdf

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-131773 Ennis Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:56:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-131773 <p>We think water is sexy here at Sepia Mutiny. We've had several different posts on it, from different bloggers with very different perspectives. We're all about the <strike>wet sari contests</strike> ample provision of clean water to the people.</p> We think water is sexy here at Sepia Mutiny. We’ve had several different posts on it, from different bloggers with very different perspectives. We’re all about the wet sari contests ample provision of clean water to the people.

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By: hmmm http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-131767 hmmm Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:27:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-131767 <p>Unfortunately, most of these sorts of projects are almost always stop-gaps, particularly in disaster relief settings, without real infection-control apparati at the level of the home (since here, water is stored by each household). That can mean something as simple as a container that can be re-filled and emptied easily but is difficult to stick something like a hand into. MSF deploys a great model currently that does just that. It just takes one kid sticking its grubby, disease-filled hand into such a vat to contaminate the entire household, offsetting the value of the initial filtration (which the householder had to pay for, in this deployment model). Additionally, in real-world (particularly, again, emergency relief) settings, that clean water will almost NEVER stay clean for any real length of time without some sort of chemical treatment. This can also be done cheaply, but it needs to be done.</p> <p>The overall problem, though, is one of the most discouraging fundamentals of world development. I work in international public health. Clean, ABUNDANT water is one of the most fundamental determinants of health. I was asked recently by someone why, despite vast sums (yes, we can argue this point, but still...) dumped into international development since World War II, despite amazing leaps and bounds in health science and engineering research, the great majority of the world still lacks perhaps the most fundamental pillar of health -- an engineering problem solved ages ago, and a medical finding also known since the time of John Snow. These sorts of examples are cheering in a sort of Pollyanna way. But when you look at the real numbers of people who go without clean drinking water and an appreciation for the sort of scale in terms of infrastructure we are really talking about, the backbone can ONLY be initiated and most importantly, SUSTAINED by governments. Aided by the NGO and private sector, surely, but ultimately it's on the governments' hands.</p> <p>What's needed is actual political will to push that into actuality in most of these settings. Unfortunately, water and poop aren't sexy issues - nobody's buying RED iPods and the like to push this. But the ultimate onus is upon the world community to push host governments to make clean drinking water for all a reality.</p> Unfortunately, most of these sorts of projects are almost always stop-gaps, particularly in disaster relief settings, without real infection-control apparati at the level of the home (since here, water is stored by each household). That can mean something as simple as a container that can be re-filled and emptied easily but is difficult to stick something like a hand into. MSF deploys a great model currently that does just that. It just takes one kid sticking its grubby, disease-filled hand into such a vat to contaminate the entire household, offsetting the value of the initial filtration (which the householder had to pay for, in this deployment model). Additionally, in real-world (particularly, again, emergency relief) settings, that clean water will almost NEVER stay clean for any real length of time without some sort of chemical treatment. This can also be done cheaply, but it needs to be done.

The overall problem, though, is one of the most discouraging fundamentals of world development. I work in international public health. Clean, ABUNDANT water is one of the most fundamental determinants of health. I was asked recently by someone why, despite vast sums (yes, we can argue this point, but still…) dumped into international development since World War II, despite amazing leaps and bounds in health science and engineering research, the great majority of the world still lacks perhaps the most fundamental pillar of health — an engineering problem solved ages ago, and a medical finding also known since the time of John Snow. These sorts of examples are cheering in a sort of Pollyanna way. But when you look at the real numbers of people who go without clean drinking water and an appreciation for the sort of scale in terms of infrastructure we are really talking about, the backbone can ONLY be initiated and most importantly, SUSTAINED by governments. Aided by the NGO and private sector, surely, but ultimately it’s on the governments’ hands.

What’s needed is actual political will to push that into actuality in most of these settings. Unfortunately, water and poop aren’t sexy issues – nobody’s buying RED iPods and the like to push this. But the ultimate onus is upon the world community to push host governments to make clean drinking water for all a reality.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/25/radically_priva/comment-page-2/#comment-131636 Ennis Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:52:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4374#comment-131636 <p>No von Mises - you're not Dani Rodrik are you? Whoops, clearly you're not, you're Jasjeet Bajwa. Sorry, it just would have been very cool if you had been.</p> <p>p.s. will try to do a BoP post that deals with some of the issues in the Karnani paper soon. Have been meaning to ever since I read the debate over in Indian Economic Blog.</p> No von Mises – you’re not Dani Rodrik are you? Whoops, clearly you’re not, you’re Jasjeet Bajwa. Sorry, it just would have been very cool if you had been.

p.s. will try to do a BoP post that deals with some of the issues in the Karnani paper soon. Have been meaning to ever since I read the debate over in Indian Economic Blog.

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