Comments on: Nothing Meek In Her Voice http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-131094 Neale Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:54:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-131094 <p><a href="http://middlestage.blogspot.com/">Middlestage</a> has some nice reviews too.</p> Middlestage has some nice reviews too.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130883 MD Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:01:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130883 <p><b>Shodan: </b>Thank you! I haven't read Nagarkar, but I'll try and check it out.</p> Shodan: Thank you! I haven’t read Nagarkar, but I’ll try and check it out.

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By: Shodan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130881 Shodan Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:50:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130881 <p>MD, Try <a href="http://jaiarjun.blogspot.com/">Jabberwock</a>. His blog has many good reviews / recommendations for the type of books you are trying to find. You may have to dig deep. The man has many interests.</p> <p>Have you read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-0691468-8390417?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=kiran+nagarkar&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go">Kiran Nagarkar</a>’s older books? He’s one of those rare writers who write well in two languages.</p> MD, Try Jabberwock. His blog has many good reviews / recommendations for the type of books you are trying to find. You may have to dig deep. The man has many interests.

Have you read Kiran Nagarkar’s older books? He’s one of those rare writers who write well in two languages.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130876 MD Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:42:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130876 <p>Clarification: I don't care about brown or not. I'm just interested in good writing about India.</p> Clarification: I don’t care about brown or not. I’m just interested in good writing about India.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130872 MD Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:37:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130872 <p>Okay, this is total geek city and would never work, probably, but does anyone want a tab on SM where we can list good fiction/non-fiction desi oriented books to read? I want to read authors who write in English, but who write about or live in India. I'd take a good Ruth Prawer Jhabvala over having an author have to be brown to write about India, if you see what I mean. And not Maximum City stuff...., which I hear really good things about, but more low key. I like ruminative prose, generally....</p> <p>*Is there one already, somewhere else, maybe?</p> Okay, this is total geek city and would never work, probably, but does anyone want a tab on SM where we can list good fiction/non-fiction desi oriented books to read? I want to read authors who write in English, but who write about or live in India. I’d take a good Ruth Prawer Jhabvala over having an author have to be brown to write about India, if you see what I mean. And not Maximum City stuff…., which I hear really good things about, but more low key. I like ruminative prose, generally….

*Is there one already, somewhere else, maybe?

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By: noblekinsman http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130865 noblekinsman Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:13:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130865 <p>fact: it is her look and her look almost only that got her her book deal. She will look and sound good on her book tours and sell the silly book to young mothers in brookline massachusetts type places.</p> fact: it is her look and her look almost only that got her her book deal. She will look and sound good on her book tours and sell the silly book to young mothers in brookline massachusetts type places.

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By: Floridian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130742 Floridian Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:38:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130742 <p>First of all, it is simply not true that "most" English novels being written by Indians are redundantly about our "brownness in a white land." Perhaps as desis living outside of India, our perception suffers from selectiveness. There has always been a lot of English writing purely indigenous to India, and in addition, there are many foreign-based Indian writers whose stories are India-based. So there is, indeed, the broader distribution of themes that Sakshi speaks of.</p> <p>Secondly, even the overdone diaspora theme has a lot of unexplored territory left for writers of great talent. As a 54-year old "Mr. Ganguly" who has lived in the US since 1973 and lived the desi evolution, I know of issues and experiences that have not been touched by writers yet. You guys are right in the sense that there is a beaten path that the writers seem to follow, but given time, there will be the great ones who will bring new facets of the desi experience to light.</p> First of all, it is simply not true that “most” English novels being written by Indians are redundantly about our “brownness in a white land.” Perhaps as desis living outside of India, our perception suffers from selectiveness. There has always been a lot of English writing purely indigenous to India, and in addition, there are many foreign-based Indian writers whose stories are India-based. So there is, indeed, the broader distribution of themes that Sakshi speaks of.

Secondly, even the overdone diaspora theme has a lot of unexplored territory left for writers of great talent. As a 54-year old “Mr. Ganguly” who has lived in the US since 1973 and lived the desi evolution, I know of issues and experiences that have not been touched by writers yet. You guys are right in the sense that there is a beaten path that the writers seem to follow, but given time, there will be the great ones who will bring new facets of the desi experience to light.

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By: Red Snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130738 Red Snapper Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:45:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130738 <blockquote>I am not so sure that the theme can be excised entirely when judging a book.</blockquote> <p>The upshot of this is that when someone writes a great book, original, fresh and well written, you reject it because the themes you detect make you feel jaded. I'd rather invest my judgment in the quality of the writing. If a great novel is written about XYZ of desi life in the diaspora, written well with originality and intelligence and subversion, the extension of your argument is that it's a lesser novel than a F grade novel that is badly written but deals with themes you find novel.</p> <blockquote>Can the lack of new themes not also be seen as another symptom that something is wrong with Indian writing in english? If everything was okay, I'd expect a much broader distribution in terms of ideas, themes, scope, styles, but that does not seem to be happening.</blockquote> <p>That, I would suggest, is down to either:</p> <p>(a) A lack of genuine writing talent at the present moment</p> <p>(b) The tendency of publishers to seek and publish lesser talents who conform to templates and stereotypes to be sold to the broadest possible markets.</p> <p>I would say that (b) is the most likely reason --- hence the mango-spice genre of second rate writing that is accepted and published so much by London and New York publishers.</p> <p>But the thing is, 90% of all books published anyway are nothing special and generally cliche ridden works of mediocrity anyway, desi writers will be no different.</p> <blockquote>I think there's a certain amount of self-absorption behind it, and a feeling that one's brownness in a white land is enough to qualify one's story as interesting</blockquote> <p>There's always going to be a certain degree of self-absorption in literature. I agree with your final point though, but would say that that is more about the laziness of bad writers and bad publishers too.</p> I am not so sure that the theme can be excised entirely when judging a book.

The upshot of this is that when someone writes a great book, original, fresh and well written, you reject it because the themes you detect make you feel jaded. I’d rather invest my judgment in the quality of the writing. If a great novel is written about XYZ of desi life in the diaspora, written well with originality and intelligence and subversion, the extension of your argument is that it’s a lesser novel than a F grade novel that is badly written but deals with themes you find novel.

Can the lack of new themes not also be seen as another symptom that something is wrong with Indian writing in english? If everything was okay, I’d expect a much broader distribution in terms of ideas, themes, scope, styles, but that does not seem to be happening.

That, I would suggest, is down to either:

(a) A lack of genuine writing talent at the present moment

(b) The tendency of publishers to seek and publish lesser talents who conform to templates and stereotypes to be sold to the broadest possible markets.

I would say that (b) is the most likely reason — hence the mango-spice genre of second rate writing that is accepted and published so much by London and New York publishers.

But the thing is, 90% of all books published anyway are nothing special and generally cliche ridden works of mediocrity anyway, desi writers will be no different.

I think there’s a certain amount of self-absorption behind it, and a feeling that one’s brownness in a white land is enough to qualify one’s story as interesting

There’s always going to be a certain degree of self-absorption in literature. I agree with your final point though, but would say that that is more about the laziness of bad writers and bad publishers too.

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130714 sakshi Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:29:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130714 <blockquote>It's not the themes that writers deal with that's the problem, it's the quality of the writing, and how original they are in approaching those themes. Originality and imagination are the key.</blockquote> <p>I am not so sure that the theme can be excised entirely when judging a book. Can the lack of new themes not also be seen as another symptom that something is wrong with Indian writing in english? If everything was okay, I'd expect a much broader distribution in terms of ideas, themes, scope, styles, but that does not seem to be happening. I think there's a certain amount of self-absorption behind it, and a feeling that one's brownness in a white land is enough to qualify one's story as interesting.</p> It’s not the themes that writers deal with that’s the problem, it’s the quality of the writing, and how original they are in approaching those themes. Originality and imagination are the key.

I am not so sure that the theme can be excised entirely when judging a book. Can the lack of new themes not also be seen as another symptom that something is wrong with Indian writing in english? If everything was okay, I’d expect a much broader distribution in terms of ideas, themes, scope, styles, but that does not seem to be happening. I think there’s a certain amount of self-absorption behind it, and a feeling that one’s brownness in a white land is enough to qualify one’s story as interesting.

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By: builder http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/20/nothing_meek_in/comment-page-2/#comment-130681 builder Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:19:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4363#comment-130681 <p>ishiguro.</p> ishiguro.

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