Comments on: Misadventures in Government: Delhi and Nandigram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-244865 rena Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:56:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-244865 <p>With likely demolition, row house residents of Vashi meet NMMC Standing Committee Chairman Sandeep Naik Thane Guardian Minister Ganesh Naik addressing the residents stated that the civic body was following orders from the High Court. He advised the residents to approach the court for a stay order. He further expressed hope that with the raining season, demolition would be delayed by NMMC and hence, giving time to the residents to sought a solution to the problem. Local corporator Vittal More said that he represents the residents and as a corporator of the area he will take immediate action by forming a committee and approaching the best lawyer to handle the case. Also present for the meeting was MP Sanjeev Naik, NMMC Standing Committee Chairman Sandeep Naik. <a href="http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/sandeep-naik-inauguarate-road-at-mukesh-gaikwad-ward.html">http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/sandeep-naik-inauguarate-road-at-mukesh-gaikwad-ward.html</a> <a> http:/www.sandeepnaik.com</a> <a> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Naik</a></p> With likely demolition, row house residents of Vashi meet NMMC Standing Committee Chairman Sandeep Naik Thane Guardian Minister Ganesh Naik addressing the residents stated that the civic body was following orders from the High Court. He advised the residents to approach the court for a stay order. He further expressed hope that with the raining season, demolition would be delayed by NMMC and hence, giving time to the residents to sought a solution to the problem. Local corporator Vittal More said that he represents the residents and as a corporator of the area he will take immediate action by forming a committee and approaching the best lawyer to handle the case. Also present for the meeting was MP Sanjeev Naik, NMMC Standing Committee Chairman Sandeep Naik. http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/sandeep-naik-inauguarate-road-at-mukesh-gaikwad-ward.html http:/www.sandeepnaik.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Naik

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127440 Amrita Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:44:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127440 <p><a href="http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mazumdar/1968/06/x02.html"</p> <blockquote> <p>Charu Mazumdar</a> y'all!</p> </blockquote>

Charu Mazumdar

y’all!

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127436 Amrita Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:32:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127436 <p>Gotcha. You refer to the time of Charu Mazumdar. Yes, the anti-Bengal mythology also lives. But again, it seems the wheels were well set in motion by the time the Brits moved to Delhi.</p> Gotcha. You refer to the time of Charu Mazumdar. Yes, the anti-Bengal mythology also lives. But again, it seems the wheels were well set in motion by the time the Brits moved to Delhi.

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By: dipesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127434 dipesh Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127434 <p>Amrita:</p> <blockquote>One thing, though-- CPM/CPI(M) were very much the lead operators in the United Front Govt., so the treatment of the Naxalites can't be blamed entirely on the Congress Party.</blockquote> <p>Actually, Amrita, I was talking about the original Naxal movement, where <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalbari">Naxalbari</a>, a village in the North of Bengal became the epicenter. It was during that period, that a Congress govt. was in place in Bengal, lead by Siddhartha Shankar Ray. The clampdown by the state on the movement was draconian to say the least and young people were rounded up and shot dead. And that kind of scarred the general population and made them left leaning. The present day Naxalite movement derives it's name from there.</p> <p>I am also aware of the second point that you make. In fact CPI(M) had left no stones unturned to propagate this idea that the center was perpetually against the interest of the state. Which in my opinion is part true part false. In fact the constant harping of this tone has led a large section of the Bengal population to believe that they are victims of the Center's agenda. This often comes forth in violent reactions to some perceived 'anti-Bengal' actions, like dropping of Sourav Ganguly from the India team.</p> Amrita:

One thing, though– CPM/CPI(M) were very much the lead operators in the United Front Govt., so the treatment of the Naxalites can’t be blamed entirely on the Congress Party.

Actually, Amrita, I was talking about the original Naxal movement, where Naxalbari, a village in the North of Bengal became the epicenter. It was during that period, that a Congress govt. was in place in Bengal, lead by Siddhartha Shankar Ray. The clampdown by the state on the movement was draconian to say the least and young people were rounded up and shot dead. And that kind of scarred the general population and made them left leaning. The present day Naxalite movement derives it’s name from there.

I am also aware of the second point that you make. In fact CPI(M) had left no stones unturned to propagate this idea that the center was perpetually against the interest of the state. Which in my opinion is part true part false. In fact the constant harping of this tone has led a large section of the Bengal population to believe that they are victims of the Center’s agenda. This often comes forth in violent reactions to some perceived ‘anti-Bengal’ actions, like dropping of Sourav Ganguly from the India team.

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127433 Amrita Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:08:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127433 <p>I should have said, the <i>near</i> exclusion of Bengalis. Certainly fortunes were made by Begalis in Brotish Calcutta -- in real estate and shipping and tea, and there were Marble Palaces and carriages pulled by zebras for certain families' promenades, and there were a handful of Bengalis running various post-Independence ships/corps, but by and large, Bengalis got babued, aka shafted.</p> I should have said, the near exclusion of Bengalis. Certainly fortunes were made by Begalis in Brotish Calcutta — in real estate and shipping and tea, and there were Marble Palaces and carriages pulled by zebras for certain families’ promenades, and there were a handful of Bengalis running various post-Independence ships/corps, but by and large, Bengalis got babued, aka shafted.

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127425 Amrita Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:35:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127425 <blockquote>As with any ruling party in that position, the CPM will seek to suppress mass agitation from below. </blockquote> <p>True dat, Pranav</p> <p>Thanks, Dipesh. One thing, though-- CPM/CPI(M) were very much the lead operators in the United Front Govt., so the treatment of the Naxalites can't be blamed entirely on the Congress Party. The drive for agrarian reform was the true grass roots movement, and the alliance with tribal peoples and the sarcastic use of kangaroo courts utterly terrifying to urban types assigned to manage the rebels. Of course, some of this could be classified as criminal misconduct and extremely harsh retaliatory measures quite wrongfully adopted.</p> <p>There is another aspect to the various streams of Communism in WB, which hardly dare speak its name or reason-- i.e. supposedly not so much anti-industrial as pro-Bengali. In other words, where capital accumulation in the hands of Bengalis seemed to have failed in the course of Bengal's closest encounter of all with the British, that period, and consequently the early years of Independence, saw the advancement of other communities in the ownership and management of the old and developing "heavy" industries, to the exclusion of Bengalis. (I'm understanding more about this as I read Willam Dalrymple's new book.) So private funds continued to flow out of Bengal as well as tax revenues siphoned to Delhi (certainly up through the sixties and seventies) which were then, much as NYC to Washington, not ploughed back in proportion into public works in Kolkata and environs, includng WB, Assam, Bihar and Orissa.</p> As with any ruling party in that position, the CPM will seek to suppress mass agitation from below.

True dat, Pranav

Thanks, Dipesh. One thing, though– CPM/CPI(M) were very much the lead operators in the United Front Govt., so the treatment of the Naxalites can’t be blamed entirely on the Congress Party. The drive for agrarian reform was the true grass roots movement, and the alliance with tribal peoples and the sarcastic use of kangaroo courts utterly terrifying to urban types assigned to manage the rebels. Of course, some of this could be classified as criminal misconduct and extremely harsh retaliatory measures quite wrongfully adopted.

There is another aspect to the various streams of Communism in WB, which hardly dare speak its name or reason– i.e. supposedly not so much anti-industrial as pro-Bengali. In other words, where capital accumulation in the hands of Bengalis seemed to have failed in the course of Bengal’s closest encounter of all with the British, that period, and consequently the early years of Independence, saw the advancement of other communities in the ownership and management of the old and developing “heavy” industries, to the exclusion of Bengalis. (I’m understanding more about this as I read Willam Dalrymple’s new book.) So private funds continued to flow out of Bengal as well as tax revenues siphoned to Delhi (certainly up through the sixties and seventies) which were then, much as NYC to Washington, not ploughed back in proportion into public works in Kolkata and environs, includng WB, Assam, Bihar and Orissa.

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By: Jeet http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127391 Jeet Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:18:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127391 <p>They closed shops of couple of my relatives in Delhi, one was in "south-ex" and other one in Baghirath palace..both huge fancy lighting stores.</p> <blockquote> I wonder if they are ever going to mess with Sainik Farms, which is basically ALL illegal, but comprises the enormous mansions of various rich business families.</blockquote> <p>My nana has a farm there, I remember going there every sunday to play cricket and swim..Oh how i miss the drive to gurgaon</p> They closed shops of couple of my relatives in Delhi, one was in “south-ex” and other one in Baghirath palace..both huge fancy lighting stores.

I wonder if they are ever going to mess with Sainik Farms, which is basically ALL illegal, but comprises the enormous mansions of various rich business families.

My nana has a farm there, I remember going there every sunday to play cricket and swim..Oh how i miss the drive to gurgaon

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By: SP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127382 SP Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:08:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127382 <p>The SEZs have run into problems in several places where the govt has essentially decided to abuse its eminent domain rights (they are required to pay for the land, but there's nothing to force them to pay the market rate or stop them from strong-arming residents) - nothing wrong with the idea of SEZs per se (though it's a bit of a cop-out to avoid dealing with labour law reform) but what really irks is the way govts are using their eminent domain to steal from the poor to give to the rich in the name of attracting industry. I remember reading about one SEZ initiative (either in Gujarat or somewhere in the South, I can't for the life of me find the article now) that had the revolutionary idea of actually getting existing landowners and tenants involved in the planning of the SEZ and gave them a stake in the project (not quite on a cooperative basis but similar). That's the sort of thing there should be more of. It's the coercive acquisition of land that's the problem. The CPM has less trouble with requisitioning for "public purposes" than most, of course, we might have approved of this when it took the form of land redistribition to the poor but we're noticing it more when it's done abusively.</p> <p>As for the Delhi sealing drives, there have been versions of these for years. The problem is that there are very very few legal commercial zones in Delhi (Okhla, CP, the residential colony markets), they just don't meet the demand, and there's lots of money to be made by getting shopowners to pay bribes to prevent their shops being sealed - every now and again the MCD will start breaking some shops in a market to scare the shopowners, but it's terribly hypocritical because they are the ones who kept the system going and took the bribes in the first place. But just as upper middle class and activist judicial anger reached a boiling point over slums in Bombay, they did the same for illegal structures in Delhi, and so the MCD was in a bind. They really need to overhaul urban planning and make it more realistic - the sad thing is there ARE lots of groups proposing plans that would incorporate and license thelas and expand commercial space but there are also lots of vested interests that want to keep things the way they are. And the traders/shopowners are a core constituency of the BJP, and more powerful than poor migrant slumdwellers, so they will naturally resist any overhaul of urban land-use policy that would put their businesses at risk (rather like the Narmada valley villagers, why should they trust the govt to compensate them properly?)</p> The SEZs have run into problems in several places where the govt has essentially decided to abuse its eminent domain rights (they are required to pay for the land, but there’s nothing to force them to pay the market rate or stop them from strong-arming residents) – nothing wrong with the idea of SEZs per se (though it’s a bit of a cop-out to avoid dealing with labour law reform) but what really irks is the way govts are using their eminent domain to steal from the poor to give to the rich in the name of attracting industry. I remember reading about one SEZ initiative (either in Gujarat or somewhere in the South, I can’t for the life of me find the article now) that had the revolutionary idea of actually getting existing landowners and tenants involved in the planning of the SEZ and gave them a stake in the project (not quite on a cooperative basis but similar). That’s the sort of thing there should be more of. It’s the coercive acquisition of land that’s the problem. The CPM has less trouble with requisitioning for “public purposes” than most, of course, we might have approved of this when it took the form of land redistribition to the poor but we’re noticing it more when it’s done abusively.

As for the Delhi sealing drives, there have been versions of these for years. The problem is that there are very very few legal commercial zones in Delhi (Okhla, CP, the residential colony markets), they just don’t meet the demand, and there’s lots of money to be made by getting shopowners to pay bribes to prevent their shops being sealed – every now and again the MCD will start breaking some shops in a market to scare the shopowners, but it’s terribly hypocritical because they are the ones who kept the system going and took the bribes in the first place. But just as upper middle class and activist judicial anger reached a boiling point over slums in Bombay, they did the same for illegal structures in Delhi, and so the MCD was in a bind. They really need to overhaul urban planning and make it more realistic – the sad thing is there ARE lots of groups proposing plans that would incorporate and license thelas and expand commercial space but there are also lots of vested interests that want to keep things the way they are. And the traders/shopowners are a core constituency of the BJP, and more powerful than poor migrant slumdwellers, so they will naturally resist any overhaul of urban land-use policy that would put their businesses at risk (rather like the Narmada valley villagers, why should they trust the govt to compensate them properly?)

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By: dipesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127379 dipesh Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:36:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127379 <p>Samjay :</p> <blockquote>How come CPI ruled WB for so long? Rigged elections of course.</blockquote> <p>That's not entirely correct actually. They survived mainly due to two factors :</p> <p>1.The horrors of the Congress rule pre-1977 and what went on during the Naxal movement essentially pushed a lot of people to the left.</p> <ol> <li>The presence of any respectable opposition. With Mamata Banerjee breaking away from Congress and creating her own party, the opposition was broken right down the middle. As a result votes against the CPM (not CPI as you mention, which is a coalition partner of the CPM) were fractured into Congress and TMC. </li> </ol> <p>The last election was actually managed very well by the Election Commission, deploying thousands of paramilitary forces and conducting elections in five phases. Specifically to clamp down on rigging. What was the result ? -- CPM won by historic margins. And that's exactly where CPM's arrogance stems from, with an opposition dwindled and almost non existent, they thought the people would support whatever (mis)adventure they engaged in. But that was not quite the case. I guess fear of losing livelihoods would make even the most ardent communist insecure. And thus it was an easy opportunity for an array of opposing parties (ranging from Maoists to Islamists) to prey on it.</p> Samjay :

How come CPI ruled WB for so long? Rigged elections of course.

That’s not entirely correct actually. They survived mainly due to two factors :

1.The horrors of the Congress rule pre-1977 and what went on during the Naxal movement essentially pushed a lot of people to the left.

  1. The presence of any respectable opposition. With Mamata Banerjee breaking away from Congress and creating her own party, the opposition was broken right down the middle. As a result votes against the CPM (not CPI as you mention, which is a coalition partner of the CPM) were fractured into Congress and TMC.

The last election was actually managed very well by the Election Commission, deploying thousands of paramilitary forces and conducting elections in five phases. Specifically to clamp down on rigging. What was the result ? — CPM won by historic margins. And that’s exactly where CPM’s arrogance stems from, with an opposition dwindled and almost non existent, they thought the people would support whatever (mis)adventure they engaged in. But that was not quite the case. I guess fear of losing livelihoods would make even the most ardent communist insecure. And thus it was an easy opportunity for an array of opposing parties (ranging from Maoists to Islamists) to prey on it.

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By: Pranav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/09/misadventures_i/comment-page-1/#comment-127374 Pranav Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:49:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4328#comment-127374 <p>On Floridian's comments re: Indian Communism.</p> <p>In my view, the main political feature of Indian Communism is that it has basically become like a social-demorcratic or labor party in Europe. Whatever transformations it seeks are through participating in elections, labor unions, and other official channels. As such, it will often take positions on class, communalism, education, etc. that are to the left of the other parties--but will also take positions that are in line with the interests of regional and national capital (pro-globalization, pro-nationalism, etc.) As with any ruling party in that position, the CPM will seek to suppress mass agitation from below.</p> <p>If you read stories about Nandigram in <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/">Frontline</a>, a left magazine which is nevertheless quite apologetic about the CPM, who will see what I mean.</p> <p>I don't think we need to see this as anything exceptional. The South African CP, for instance, was quite radical in the anti-apartheid struggle but has hitched its wagon so tightly to the ANC that ir barely raises a peep against its anti-worker amd pro-globalization politics. The Chinese and Cuban situation is different because of lack of elections and democracy, but the feastures ars the same: gaining political power and maintaining it is more important than grassroots mobilization and struggle.</p> On Floridian’s comments re: Indian Communism.

In my view, the main political feature of Indian Communism is that it has basically become like a social-demorcratic or labor party in Europe. Whatever transformations it seeks are through participating in elections, labor unions, and other official channels. As such, it will often take positions on class, communalism, education, etc. that are to the left of the other parties–but will also take positions that are in line with the interests of regional and national capital (pro-globalization, pro-nationalism, etc.) As with any ruling party in that position, the CPM will seek to suppress mass agitation from below.

If you read stories about Nandigram in Frontline, a left magazine which is nevertheless quite apologetic about the CPM, who will see what I mean.

I don’t think we need to see this as anything exceptional. The South African CP, for instance, was quite radical in the anti-apartheid struggle but has hitched its wagon so tightly to the ANC that ir barely raises a peep against its anti-worker amd pro-globalization politics. The Chinese and Cuban situation is different because of lack of elections and democracy, but the feastures ars the same: gaining political power and maintaining it is more important than grassroots mobilization and struggle.

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