Comments on: Young, Bible-quoting attorneys are suddenly under siege http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127677 hema Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:56:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127677 <p><i>She obviously has no management experience and she is in Minnesota for god sakes, not exactly a haven for diversity. </i></p> <p>I strenuously object. Lack of foundation.</p> She obviously has no management experience and she is in Minnesota for god sakes, not exactly a haven for diversity.

I strenuously object. Lack of foundation.

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By: risible http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127564 risible Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:21:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127564 <p>To suggest Christian oppression in Kerala by Marxists is laughable. Marxist land reform essentially stripped the Namboodiri Brahmins of their large bequeathed landholdings. The primary benefeciaries (those who were able to obtain the land) were Christian traders. I think its safe to say that the richest community in Kerala are upper-caste Christians.</p> <p>I think Paulose contrived a "coming to America" story to match her admittedly breathtaking rise to US Attorney.</p> To suggest Christian oppression in Kerala by Marxists is laughable. Marxist land reform essentially stripped the Namboodiri Brahmins of their large bequeathed landholdings. The primary benefeciaries (those who were able to obtain the land) were Christian traders. I think its safe to say that the richest community in Kerala are upper-caste Christians.

I think Paulose contrived a “coming to America” story to match her admittedly breathtaking rise to US Attorney.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127514 Kush Tandon Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:48:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127514 <p><i>BTW, after 1957-59, it was only in 70s, communist parties in India came back to power. </i></p> <p><b>1967</b> precisely, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._M._S._Namboodiripad">when EMS came back to power briefly again in a 7 party coalition </a>.</p> BTW, after 1957-59, it was only in 70s, communist parties in India came back to power.

1967 precisely, when EMS came back to power briefly again in a 7 party coalition .

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127511 Kush Tandon Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:44:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127511 <p><i>btw, why did nehru take over?</i></p> <p>They are many reasons: It was the first opposition party (different from Center) in power in India. The reasons usually found in political analysis for Nehru stepping in are: 1) Their total inability to react to Gandhian disobedience (the students and others) in Kerala, 2) caste dynamics (the early supporters of communists in Kerala were lower castes even though EMS Namboodiripad was a Brahmin) even in caste-lite state like Kerala worked against them (therefore, it is unlikely that they would target Christians even though I can understand in late 50s, Christians were very dominant in Kerala, and they might have viewed communist rise in Kerala in 50s with suspicion that was mutual), and 3) Their shakey (support) stance on Chinese invasion in Tibet, and nationalism.</p> <p>In fact, a lot of people see 1957-59 as a very successful experiment - communist party or not, irrespective, when a local governments (state) could go diametrically opposite to the mainstream (rest of India, and Center - the Federal Government) in terms of political and social statement.</p> <p>BTW, after 1957-59, it was only in 70s, communist parties in India came back to power. 60s was <b>probably the toughest time for communists</b> in India when Ms. Rachael P. family was supposedly escaping them.</p> btw, why did nehru take over?

They are many reasons: It was the first opposition party (different from Center) in power in India. The reasons usually found in political analysis for Nehru stepping in are: 1) Their total inability to react to Gandhian disobedience (the students and others) in Kerala, 2) caste dynamics (the early supporters of communists in Kerala were lower castes even though EMS Namboodiripad was a Brahmin) even in caste-lite state like Kerala worked against them (therefore, it is unlikely that they would target Christians even though I can understand in late 50s, Christians were very dominant in Kerala, and they might have viewed communist rise in Kerala in 50s with suspicion that was mutual), and 3) Their shakey (support) stance on Chinese invasion in Tibet, and nationalism.

In fact, a lot of people see 1957-59 as a very successful experiment – communist party or not, irrespective, when a local governments (state) could go diametrically opposite to the mainstream (rest of India, and Center – the Federal Government) in terms of political and social statement.

BTW, after 1957-59, it was only in 70s, communist parties in India came back to power. 60s was probably the toughest time for communists in India when Ms. Rachael P. family was supposedly escaping them.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127498 Manju Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:00:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127498 <p>kush:</p> <p>i don't necesarily disagee with you. i think the objection to RP's commets is that she seems to imply asylum or refugee status when her grandparent simply left. "fled" sounds too harsh (since they could have simply went to another part of india) but i think she was just trying to convey how bad things got for some roman catholics in kerala at the time, as dharma queen documents.</p> <p>btw, why did nehru take over?</p> kush:

i don’t necesarily disagee with you. i think the objection to RP’s commets is that she seems to imply asylum or refugee status when her grandparent simply left. “fled” sounds too harsh (since they could have simply went to another part of india) but i think she was just trying to convey how bad things got for some roman catholics in kerala at the time, as dharma queen documents.

btw, why did nehru take over?

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By: ashvin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127492 ashvin Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:43:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127492 <p>And thanks for those very informative links Kush (my last comment was typed before I read yours); setting some of the record straight.</p> And thanks for those very informative links Kush (my last comment was typed before I read yours); setting some of the record straight.

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By: ashvin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127491 ashvin Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:41:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127491 <p>Thanks for the comment Manju. Ok, i didn't know about that bit of history. Still, like you said, "fled" sounds like an overstatement. I think I'm going to email my older relatives (who were around at the time) about what the commie advent in Kerala was like and if there were christians at the time who felt threatened. (The only link I found when I googled "communists kerala 1958" was a Time mag article from 1958, which I'm going to assume was not a completely objective source).</p> Thanks for the comment Manju. Ok, i didn’t know about that bit of history. Still, like you said, “fled” sounds like an overstatement. I think I’m going to email my older relatives (who were around at the time) about what the commie advent in Kerala was like and if there were christians at the time who felt threatened. (The only link I found when I googled “communists kerala 1958″ was a Time mag article from 1958, which I’m going to assume was not a completely objective source).

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127490 Kush Tandon Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:40:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127490 <p><b>Manju & Ms. Rachael P,</b></p> <p>Both of you on this are full of <b>sh......</b></p> <p><a href="http://www.jstor.org/view/0030851x/dm992013/99p1097e/0">First, the communist government in Kerala was only between 1957-59</a>. <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,811199,00.html?promoid=googlep">Sure, there was student and other unrest (which only killed 15 people) but the reasons for Nehru stepping in are very different.</a></p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_India">On the other hand, in 60s (when Ms. Rachael's grandparents immigrated), communism in India was under heavy siege - party splits, and <b>with prominent leaders in jail</b>.</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/communism.html">Ms. Dharma Queen, Kerala's experiment with communism is unique within India, and rest of the world context too - good or bad - take your pick - therefore, Bengal extrapolation is meaningless.</a> This said, every party in India has goons (with no exceptions), and muscle they way through.</p> Manju & Ms. Rachael P,

Both of you on this are full of sh……

First, the communist government in Kerala was only between 1957-59. Sure, there was student and other unrest (which only killed 15 people) but the reasons for Nehru stepping in are very different.

On the other hand, in 60s (when Ms. Rachael’s grandparents immigrated), communism in India was under heavy siege – party splits, and with prominent leaders in jail.

Ms. Dharma Queen, Kerala’s experiment with communism is unique within India, and rest of the world context too – good or bad – take your pick – therefore, Bengal extrapolation is meaningless. This said, every party in India has goons (with no exceptions), and muscle they way through.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127489 Manju Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:18:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127489 <p>her grandparents came to the US in the 60's. the commies took over kerala in 1957. among other things, they opened fire on workers and beat students, most of them roman catholic. things got so bad that nehru had to step in and take over kerala from the communists.</p> <p>she said her grandparents "fled" kerala, not that the were "refugees" or asylum seekers. i would say that "fled" sounds like a strong word, but under the circumstances, its understandable.</p> her grandparents came to the US in the 60′s. the commies took over kerala in 1957. among other things, they opened fire on workers and beat students, most of them roman catholic. things got so bad that nehru had to step in and take over kerala from the communists.

she said her grandparents “fled” kerala, not that the were “refugees” or asylum seekers. i would say that “fled” sounds like a strong word, but under the circumstances, its understandable.

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By: Dharma Queen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/young_biblequot/comment-page-2/#comment-127488 Dharma Queen Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:13:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4317#comment-127488 <p>It is possible for people to flee India from communists. I was recently in Kolkata, and my cousin's wife was travelling to her native town every weekend to stay with her parents. Why? The parents want to sell their home, and the CPI-M boys - 'club boys', as they're known - have demanded a cut of the proceeds. When the old parents refused, the communists replied: 'okay, just see whether you can live in this town anymore'. There are regular reports in the papers about rapes, burglaries, other violence committed by Party members and going unpunished. Don't see why Kerala would be exempt from all this.</p> It is possible for people to flee India from communists. I was recently in Kolkata, and my cousin’s wife was travelling to her native town every weekend to stay with her parents. Why? The parents want to sell their home, and the CPI-M boys – ‘club boys’, as they’re known – have demanded a cut of the proceeds. When the old parents refused, the communists replied: ‘okay, just see whether you can live in this town anymore’. There are regular reports in the papers about rapes, burglaries, other violence committed by Party members and going unpunished. Don’t see why Kerala would be exempt from all this.

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