Comments on: w00t Team Brown! We’re not fugly! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: UberMetroMallu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127378 UberMetroMallu Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:54:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127378 <p>Him and his wife; they both have sanitaryware-white teeth. That is spin too.</p> Him and his wife; they both have sanitaryware-white teeth. That is spin too.

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By: green angel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127234 green angel Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:30:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127234 <p>I recently read Obama's first book, "Dreams from my Father", which was written before he ran for Senate. Although it doesn't contain too many of his political views (comparatively) it's still a good read, and gave me a decent insight into the influences in his life that he considered important (of course, one should always read an autobiography with a grain of salt).</p> I recently read Obama’s first book, “Dreams from my Father”, which was written before he ran for Senate. Although it doesn’t contain too many of his political views (comparatively) it’s still a good read, and gave me a decent insight into the influences in his life that he considered important (of course, one should always read an autobiography with a grain of salt).

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By: Floridian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127229 Floridian Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:21:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127229 <p>"it worries to me to know that people form seemingly strong opinions about Obama without knowing that basic fact about his life -- I guess we need to do a better job with outreach."</p> <p>Maybe you do need to do a better job with outreach. I'll be all ears. I really want to trust the guy. But I wanted to defend some of my points which, I assure you, do not necessarily eliminate Obama from my list.</p> <p>Based on my 24 years in Chicago, I used the term South Side as a synonym for the poor, African American areas also known as the "projects" in Chicago. Obama's constituency, 13th District, which is Hyde Park, is not the projects by any means. With a median income of $44,000 and a white majority, Hyde Park is also the home of one of the leading universities in the US, University of Chicago, and otherwise a pretty decent neighborhood. One of my rich clients had a 5,000 sq. ft. condo in Hyde Park where I spent many hours in business meetings. No wonder Mr. Obama makes his home there. My point stands - his constituency was never the poor and downtrodden, which is not to say that his heart does not bleed for them and he is not qualified to represent them.</p> <p>As a young Harvard trained lawyer working for a reputable law firm, Obama supposedly "worked on" many civil rights cases. Most budding politicians get interested in civil rights and other social aspects of the legal profession rather than divorce or corporate law because they are the type that care about social issues. That's why they enter politics in the first place. Heck, there are rich Republican politicians who have had legal backgrounds similar to Obama's. But to take Obama's "associate level" legal work in civil rights and make it sound as if he spent a decade working with the poor and disadvantaged is exactly what I would call a spin.</p> <p>A major critique of Obama is from the African American hard liners who refuse to accept him as truly representative of the African American agenda. I wouldn't go to that extreme, either. To represent a people, you don't really had to have lived among them. The Kennedy's did great work for civil rights in this country, and I don't think any of them had slept even one night in a ghetto. But my concern about Obama is the general inclination to oversell his blackness by glossing over the facts.</p> “it worries to me to know that people form seemingly strong opinions about Obama without knowing that basic fact about his life — I guess we need to do a better job with outreach.”

Maybe you do need to do a better job with outreach. I’ll be all ears. I really want to trust the guy. But I wanted to defend some of my points which, I assure you, do not necessarily eliminate Obama from my list.

Based on my 24 years in Chicago, I used the term South Side as a synonym for the poor, African American areas also known as the “projects” in Chicago. Obama’s constituency, 13th District, which is Hyde Park, is not the projects by any means. With a median income of $44,000 and a white majority, Hyde Park is also the home of one of the leading universities in the US, University of Chicago, and otherwise a pretty decent neighborhood. One of my rich clients had a 5,000 sq. ft. condo in Hyde Park where I spent many hours in business meetings. No wonder Mr. Obama makes his home there. My point stands – his constituency was never the poor and downtrodden, which is not to say that his heart does not bleed for them and he is not qualified to represent them.

As a young Harvard trained lawyer working for a reputable law firm, Obama supposedly “worked on” many civil rights cases. Most budding politicians get interested in civil rights and other social aspects of the legal profession rather than divorce or corporate law because they are the type that care about social issues. That’s why they enter politics in the first place. Heck, there are rich Republican politicians who have had legal backgrounds similar to Obama’s. But to take Obama’s “associate level” legal work in civil rights and make it sound as if he spent a decade working with the poor and disadvantaged is exactly what I would call a spin.

A major critique of Obama is from the African American hard liners who refuse to accept him as truly representative of the African American agenda. I wouldn’t go to that extreme, either. To represent a people, you don’t really had to have lived among them. The Kennedy’s did great work for civil rights in this country, and I don’t think any of them had slept even one night in a ghetto. But my concern about Obama is the general inclination to oversell his blackness by glossing over the facts.

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By: DTK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127208 DTK Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:23:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127208 <blockquote>Now, Bharat is a different story. America seems to be falling in love with him as if he is our Great Brown Hope. But he is nothing more than a politician, and judging from his recent 60 Minutes interview, perfectly capable of manipulating his audience. Taking the reporter for a walk in Chicago's South Side, <i>never his constituency</i>, and then brazenly claiming that he had problems hailing a cab as a black man, not a situation he would ever find himself in, were not the type of spins I had expected from Obama. (<i>emphasis added</i>)</blockquote> <p>Whaa? Before becoming the Senator, Obama was a state senator in Illinois representing a district in Chicago's South Side. Prior to that, both before and after law school, he was a community organizer/civil rights lawyer working in inner city communities in Chicago's South Side. He still lives in Chicago's South Side. This isn't spin. Heck, as a "South Asians for Obama spokesperson", it worries to me to know that people form seemingly strong opinions about Obama without knowing that basic fact about his life -- I guess we need to do a better job with outreach.</p> Now, Bharat is a different story. America seems to be falling in love with him as if he is our Great Brown Hope. But he is nothing more than a politician, and judging from his recent 60 Minutes interview, perfectly capable of manipulating his audience. Taking the reporter for a walk in Chicago’s South Side, never his constituency, and then brazenly claiming that he had problems hailing a cab as a black man, not a situation he would ever find himself in, were not the type of spins I had expected from Obama. (emphasis added)

Whaa? Before becoming the Senator, Obama was a state senator in Illinois representing a district in Chicago’s South Side. Prior to that, both before and after law school, he was a community organizer/civil rights lawyer working in inner city communities in Chicago’s South Side. He still lives in Chicago’s South Side. This isn’t spin. Heck, as a “South Asians for Obama spokesperson”, it worries to me to know that people form seemingly strong opinions about Obama without knowing that basic fact about his life — I guess we need to do a better job with outreach.

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By: A N N A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127198 A N N A Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:37:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127198 <p>Agreed. Floridian, that was amazing. I read it and all I could say was, "Wow." And to think, such profundity in a thread which belongs to such a silly post. Love it. :)</p> Agreed. Floridian, that was amazing. I read it and all I could say was, “Wow.” And to think, such profundity in a thread which belongs to such a silly post. Love it. :)

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By: IBD American http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127142 IBD American Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:08:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127142 <p><i>"They are both laying the tracks on which a lot of browns will ride into fame someday"</p> <p>"But I am gloating over their success because they are indavertently benefiting our children."</p> <p>"As a fifty-something Indian, I sometimes wonder if we really had thought everything through when we decided to come to America in the 60's and 70's (1973 in my case). We were so obsessed with improving our dismal Indian lives that we never thought that, a) we would eventually be producing a million or more desis and turning them loose in a very alien land, and b) these American born desis, with all their reference points in America, would not be content with the small gains that had satisfied us, and c) whether their extremely American drives and needs would ever be met in a "white" society." </i></p> <p>Floridian, Thanks for expressing those sentiments so precisely. I fully share them. Regards.</p> “They are both laying the tracks on which a lot of browns will ride into fame someday”

“But I am gloating over their success because they are indavertently benefiting our children.”

“As a fifty-something Indian, I sometimes wonder if we really had thought everything through when we decided to come to America in the 60′s and 70′s (1973 in my case). We were so obsessed with improving our dismal Indian lives that we never thought that, a) we would eventually be producing a million or more desis and turning them loose in a very alien land, and b) these American born desis, with all their reference points in America, would not be content with the small gains that had satisfied us, and c) whether their extremely American drives and needs would ever be met in a “white” society.”

Floridian, Thanks for expressing those sentiments so precisely. I fully share them. Regards.

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By: Floridian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127131 Floridian Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:56:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127131 <p>Interesting juxtaposition. I am wary of one, slightly embarrassed by the other, though Sanjaya, despite his considerably less than American Idol Top 12 vocals, has done more for the desi community than he'll ever know. He is our little Dr. Sanjay Gupta, albeit a more lovable one.</p> <p>Now, Bharat is a different story. America seems to be falling in love with him as if he is our Great Brown Hope. But he is nothing more than a politician, and judging from his recent 60 Minutes interview, perfectly capable of manipulating his audience. Taking the reporter for a walk in Chicago's South Side, never his constituency, and then brazenly claiming that he had problems hailing a cab as a black man, not a situation he would ever find himself in, were not the type of spins I had expected from Obama.</p> <p>That said, they both have my gratitude. They are both laying the tracks on which a lot of browns will ride into fame someday. I am not ready yet to vote for Obama for President unless I understand him better, and I will never vote for Sanjaya to go into the next round because he is simply not good enough. But I am gloating over their success because they are indavertently benefiting our children.</p> <p>As a fifty-something Indian, I sometimes wonder if we really had thought everything through when we decided to come to America in the 60's and 70's (1973 in my case). We were so obsessed with improving our dismal Indian lives that we never thought that, a) we would eventually be producing a million or more desis and turning them loose in a very alien land, and b) these American born desis, with all their reference points in America, would not be content with the small gains that had satisfied us, and c) whether their extremely American drives and needs would ever be met in a "white" society.</p> <p>We never thought that far. So it was pure luck, at least on our part, that America started to turn brown, firt slowly, then torrentially, eliminating the risk that our children would be second class citizens in their own land.</p> Interesting juxtaposition. I am wary of one, slightly embarrassed by the other, though Sanjaya, despite his considerably less than American Idol Top 12 vocals, has done more for the desi community than he’ll ever know. He is our little Dr. Sanjay Gupta, albeit a more lovable one.

Now, Bharat is a different story. America seems to be falling in love with him as if he is our Great Brown Hope. But he is nothing more than a politician, and judging from his recent 60 Minutes interview, perfectly capable of manipulating his audience. Taking the reporter for a walk in Chicago’s South Side, never his constituency, and then brazenly claiming that he had problems hailing a cab as a black man, not a situation he would ever find himself in, were not the type of spins I had expected from Obama.

That said, they both have my gratitude. They are both laying the tracks on which a lot of browns will ride into fame someday. I am not ready yet to vote for Obama for President unless I understand him better, and I will never vote for Sanjaya to go into the next round because he is simply not good enough. But I am gloating over their success because they are indavertently benefiting our children.

As a fifty-something Indian, I sometimes wonder if we really had thought everything through when we decided to come to America in the 60′s and 70′s (1973 in my case). We were so obsessed with improving our dismal Indian lives that we never thought that, a) we would eventually be producing a million or more desis and turning them loose in a very alien land, and b) these American born desis, with all their reference points in America, would not be content with the small gains that had satisfied us, and c) whether their extremely American drives and needs would ever be met in a “white” society.

We never thought that far. So it was pure luck, at least on our part, that America started to turn brown, firt slowly, then torrentially, eliminating the risk that our children would be second class citizens in their own land.

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-127044 Amrita Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:50:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-127044 <p>Brava, Manju and bravo, Mr. K -- all the way down the page, y'all. Arrey MorningSunshine, everybody's from India-- some just got progressively bleached from moving too far north after the rivers dried up. Hillary might take the hint after Conan the Barbarian showed her in a fauxhawk on Froday and gain some points that way, but otherwise Bharat is sure to beat her just because she's always having a bad hair day. Sadaiyappan, I sure hope you haven't hit the nail on the head.</p> Brava, Manju and bravo, Mr. K — all the way down the page, y’all. Arrey MorningSunshine, everybody’s from India– some just got progressively bleached from moving too far north after the rivers dried up. Hillary might take the hint after Conan the Barbarian showed her in a fauxhawk on Froday and gain some points that way, but otherwise Bharat is sure to beat her just because she’s always having a bad hair day. Sadaiyappan, I sure hope you haven’t hit the nail on the head.

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By: Sadaiyappan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-126987 Sadaiyappan Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:03:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-126987 <blockquote> I am not sure that Sanjaya's birth mother is Italian...according to the following website, his parents emigrated from India in 1972 and formed MalakarTelco, a company that handles voter entries for game shows (Who wants to be a Millionaire?, etc.). </blockquote> <p>Huh ? So his family could be running the voting for American Idol ????</p> <p>reminds me of a documenary I saw about some dude on a game show in the 1960's that cheated and let him win all the money week after week..</p> I am not sure that Sanjaya’s birth mother is Italian…according to the following website, his parents emigrated from India in 1972 and formed MalakarTelco, a company that handles voter entries for game shows (Who wants to be a Millionaire?, etc.).

Huh ? So his family could be running the voting for American Idol ????

reminds me of a documenary I saw about some dude on a game show in the 1960′s that cheated and let him win all the money week after week..

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/06/w00t_team_brown/comment-page-1/#comment-126962 Camille Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:21:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4316#comment-126962 <p>Manju, for the first time since you've started posting I have been LOL at each post. Edison, Gujarat? Defensive industries? Hilarious - thanks :)</p> <p>I, too, think Clinton is divisive and personally would not vote for her. Don't know if that means Obama could beat her (he does seem "young" although he's super experienced), but I just find myself consistently disappointed with her politics. Too bad, too, because I'm sure commentary throughout the election will continue to pick up steam around, "Will a black man be able to win before a white woman?" instead of focusing on broader issues.</p> Manju, for the first time since you’ve started posting I have been LOL at each post. Edison, Gujarat? Defensive industries? Hilarious – thanks :)

I, too, think Clinton is divisive and personally would not vote for her. Don’t know if that means Obama could beat her (he does seem “young” although he’s super experienced), but I just find myself consistently disappointed with her politics. Too bad, too, because I’m sure commentary throughout the election will continue to pick up steam around, “Will a black man be able to win before a white woman?” instead of focusing on broader issues.

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