Comments on: Cricket: “GO BOPARA” indeed! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-2/#comment-126649 SM Intern Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:01:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126649 <blockquote>There's your damn IP qualifier too.</blockquote> <p>Shouldn't you NOT be swearing in church? <b>Since we are tempting you to such awful sin, I'm shutting this thread down.</b></p> <p><b>If you're telling the truth, my apologies to such a long-time reader; we welcome everyone, especially those who follow the rules.</b> If you happen to be part of the ONE CASE where two people are sharing an IP and engaging in behavior that was previously displayed ONLY by trolls, then as I said earlier, I'll happily eat my words. Until then, I'm not changing anything about my approach to moderating this space-- if we hadn't done so in this fashion, you wouldn't have stuck around for two years. Peace.</p> There’s your damn IP qualifier too.

Shouldn’t you NOT be swearing in church? Since we are tempting you to such awful sin, I’m shutting this thread down.

If you’re telling the truth, my apologies to such a long-time reader; we welcome everyone, especially those who follow the rules. If you happen to be part of the ONE CASE where two people are sharing an IP and engaging in behavior that was previously displayed ONLY by trolls, then as I said earlier, I’ll happily eat my words. Until then, I’m not changing anything about my approach to moderating this space– if we hadn’t done so in this fashion, you wouldn’t have stuck around for two years. Peace.

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By: muralimannered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-2/#comment-126648 muralimannered Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:58:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126648 <p>and another thing, i never said that there's anything wrong with being ignorant, materialistic and fond of exploring the substance-experience medium--those are simply characteristics i became familiar with over the 20 years my family ran a bharata natyam camp attended almost exclusively by wealthy brown girls.</p> <p>that definitely skews my observations but then again--they are anecdotal. there really isn't any reliable social research to suggest that those characteristics apply to the whole population.</p> and another thing, i never said that there’s anything wrong with being ignorant, materialistic and fond of exploring the substance-experience medium–those are simply characteristics i became familiar with over the 20 years my family ran a bharata natyam camp attended almost exclusively by wealthy brown girls.

that definitely skews my observations but then again–they are anecdotal. there really isn’t any reliable social research to suggest that those characteristics apply to the whole population.

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By: Smart@ssMadras http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-2/#comment-126647 Smart@ssMadras Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:56:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126647 <p>There's your damn IP qualifier too.</p> There’s your damn IP qualifier too.

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By: Smart@ssMadras http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-2/#comment-126646 Smart@ssMadras Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:55:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126646 <p>Woah, I leave work at the dot of 5 (and yes, to get to church for a Maundy Thurs. service) and things blow up. Murli is in fact a work colleague. I have been reading this blog for 2 years but have never posted because well, I'm fairly computer illiterate (check my gaff on the abhi painting in the indian restaurant story post). I alerted my lankan buddy to this blog as I thought he might find it interesting. I then posted and challenged him to do the same. If you have noticed, our genders, race and VIEWS are wholly different. And our tone/writing style differs. What would be the point of Murly posting only to argue with himself? As I said, I appreciate the term Desi, and hope to one day embrace it too. I'm just not there yet. Plus, his moniker was chosen purposely to irk me, I'll wager. Knowing fully well that I hate Murly - he's a formidable bowler and my nemisis. Good thing my church has computers. I'm going - the service is going t start in half an hour and I want to be in a prayerful mood, not contemplating why the first time I decide to post on my favorite blog, I'm accused of being a troll.</p> Woah, I leave work at the dot of 5 (and yes, to get to church for a Maundy Thurs. service) and things blow up. Murli is in fact a work colleague. I have been reading this blog for 2 years but have never posted because well, I’m fairly computer illiterate (check my gaff on the abhi painting in the indian restaurant story post). I alerted my lankan buddy to this blog as I thought he might find it interesting. I then posted and challenged him to do the same. If you have noticed, our genders, race and VIEWS are wholly different. And our tone/writing style differs. What would be the point of Murly posting only to argue with himself? As I said, I appreciate the term Desi, and hope to one day embrace it too. I’m just not there yet. Plus, his moniker was chosen purposely to irk me, I’ll wager. Knowing fully well that I hate Murly – he’s a formidable bowler and my nemisis. Good thing my church has computers. I’m going – the service is going t start in half an hour and I want to be in a prayerful mood, not contemplating why the first time I decide to post on my favorite blog, I’m accused of being a troll.

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By: muralimannered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-2/#comment-126645 muralimannered Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:52:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126645 <p>again, there are more than a few people in the world who can't understand the difference between making a scholarly observation and making a anecdotal observation. pot meets kettle is obviously one of them.</p> again, there are more than a few people in the world who can’t understand the difference between making a scholarly observation and making a anecdotal observation. pot meets kettle is obviously one of them.

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By: Pot, meet Kettle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-1/#comment-126644 Pot, meet Kettle Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:50:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126644 <blockquote>after moving out, and encountering many brown people, i found, for the most part, people who were contemptuous, and often ignorant, of the multifarious nature of Hinduism (mostly the importance of oral tradition and lifestyle over dogma and doctrine), had cutesy anglicized names, could not conceive of 10 minutes without starbucks or a lifetime without Coach/Fendi/Prada/Chanel bags and the possibility of being a non-judgemental teetotaller.</blockquote> <p>That's the least judgmental thing I've read in a long time.</p> after moving out, and encountering many brown people, i found, for the most part, people who were contemptuous, and often ignorant, of the multifarious nature of Hinduism (mostly the importance of oral tradition and lifestyle over dogma and doctrine), had cutesy anglicized names, could not conceive of 10 minutes without starbucks or a lifetime without Coach/Fendi/Prada/Chanel bags and the possibility of being a non-judgemental teetotaller.

That’s the least judgmental thing I’ve read in a long time.

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By: muralimannered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-1/#comment-126643 muralimannered Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:49:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126643 <p>refute i will, good fellow.</p> <p>I grew up in a community populated by majority reform-jew hippies who moved to rural Virginia, had kids and followed a brown guru. My childood friends all had sanksrit or Tamil names, prayed to Vishnu/Krishna/Siva/Brama (as well as Christ, Allah, G-D, Ahura Mazda and who knows else), believed in the common currency of all religions, devalued material possessions as a measure of social worth and, for the most part, did not partake in legal or illegal drugs.</p> <p>after moving out, and encountering many brown people, i found, for the most part, people who were contemptuous, and often ignorant, of the multifarious nature of Hinduism (mostly the importance of oral tradition and lifestyle over dogma and doctrine), had cutesy anglicized names, could not conceive of 10 minutes without starbucks or a lifetime without Coach/Fendi/Prada/Chanel bags and the possibility of being a non-judgemental teetotaller.</p> refute i will, good fellow.

I grew up in a community populated by majority reform-jew hippies who moved to rural Virginia, had kids and followed a brown guru. My childood friends all had sanksrit or Tamil names, prayed to Vishnu/Krishna/Siva/Brama (as well as Christ, Allah, G-D, Ahura Mazda and who knows else), believed in the common currency of all religions, devalued material possessions as a measure of social worth and, for the most part, did not partake in legal or illegal drugs.

after moving out, and encountering many brown people, i found, for the most part, people who were contemptuous, and often ignorant, of the multifarious nature of Hinduism (mostly the importance of oral tradition and lifestyle over dogma and doctrine), had cutesy anglicized names, could not conceive of 10 minutes without starbucks or a lifetime without Coach/Fendi/Prada/Chanel bags and the possibility of being a non-judgemental teetotaller.

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By: Karthik http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-1/#comment-126637 Karthik Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:42:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126637 <blockquote>I'm still not sold on Sri-Lankans being included in the 'desi' category. I dislike such catch-all terms in that their application often results in unhelpful simplification of of very real ethnic, historical and linguistic differences.</blockquote> <p>And to go back to your original point, if we start picking differences, my neighbors back in India were different in every one of those ways. The ethnic, historical and linguistic differences existed. Hell every person I have known in my life has a different background, but we do have a lot in common as compared to people who are not from the sub-continent. Care to refute?</p> I’m still not sold on Sri-Lankans being included in the ‘desi’ category. I dislike such catch-all terms in that their application often results in unhelpful simplification of of very real ethnic, historical and linguistic differences.

And to go back to your original point, if we start picking differences, my neighbors back in India were different in every one of those ways. The ethnic, historical and linguistic differences existed. Hell every person I have known in my life has a different background, but we do have a lot in common as compared to people who are not from the sub-continent. Care to refute?

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By: muralimannered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-1/#comment-126634 muralimannered Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:39:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126634 <p>karthik. very reasonable. i wish sm intern had taken the same tone at first. civility is not beyond me. Sambol, in fact, was not a south asian invention. It came to sri-lanka via the Dutch, as they had considerable economic interests in the Indonesia at the time.</p> <p>Look, by dint of my upbringing (anybody raised in an american ashram...anybody?...still waiting...") my bharatanatyam teaching mother (not a hobbyist but one who did only that) i think i can see more than a few similarities. I just refuse to refer to myself as anything but a sri-lankan tamil when asked for easy-to-remember group identifiers.</p> karthik. very reasonable. i wish sm intern had taken the same tone at first. civility is not beyond me. Sambol, in fact, was not a south asian invention. It came to sri-lanka via the Dutch, as they had considerable economic interests in the Indonesia at the time.

Look, by dint of my upbringing (anybody raised in an american ashram…anybody?…still waiting…”) my bharatanatyam teaching mother (not a hobbyist but one who did only that) i think i can see more than a few similarities. I just refuse to refer to myself as anything but a sri-lankan tamil when asked for easy-to-remember group identifiers.

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By: SM Intern http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/04/04/cricket_go_bopa/comment-page-1/#comment-126629 SM Intern Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:35:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4308#comment-126629 <p>It must be awful not to have credibility. But until you do have a smidgen of that very necessary social currency here, i.e. you've become a regular commenter who has proven they aren't a troll (hey, we all had to get jumped before we could join the gang), I don't really believe you and years of moderating this blog tell me that I'm probably right. I have to act in the interests of the community.</p> <p>You BOTH decide to start commenting on the same day, from the same IP? What a convenient coincidence. The burden of proof isn't on me, my potential new friends. <i>I'm</i> not the one potentially trying to cloak "shady" so cleverly. If what you say is true, you'll be back, you may even log on from home, from other IPs, <b>you'll continue to engage, because you're in the right and I'm so very wrong</b>. Now please prove me wrong or do troll elsewhere. We have more than enough poo to clean from the monkeys, as it is.</p> It must be awful not to have credibility. But until you do have a smidgen of that very necessary social currency here, i.e. you’ve become a regular commenter who has proven they aren’t a troll (hey, we all had to get jumped before we could join the gang), I don’t really believe you and years of moderating this blog tell me that I’m probably right. I have to act in the interests of the community.

You BOTH decide to start commenting on the same day, from the same IP? What a convenient coincidence. The burden of proof isn’t on me, my potential new friends. I’m not the one potentially trying to cloak “shady” so cleverly. If what you say is true, you’ll be back, you may even log on from home, from other IPs, you’ll continue to engage, because you’re in the right and I’m so very wrong. Now please prove me wrong or do troll elsewhere. We have more than enough poo to clean from the monkeys, as it is.

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