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I don’t see how point 3 is related to what I wrote at all, but ok. I agree that we can’t just swoop in like gods and solve global problems. Presumably we can at least attempt to correct oversights in our own asylum system though.

Point 2 is totally correct, which is why I was wondering whether there was any way to verify the legality of Indian marriages and genuine attempts to leave them. I don’t think people who misuse the asylum system should be rewarded, if that’s what you’re implying.

She has no objection to arranged marriage herself

Gao has said that at first she had no objection to her future husband. But she later discovered that he had a bad temperament and gambled, and she says he beat her.

I don’t understand how he beat her before marriage, there’s something I’m missing here.

Here’s the bit about the importance of the brideprice in all of this.

In the case at hand, Gao is from a part of China where it is common in arranged marriages for a would-be husband to offer a cash payment to the future bride’s family. In exchange, Gao was to become the man’s wife after her 21st birthday. Gao’s mother spent the money to pay family bills and debts…. When the relationship soured, the potential husband tried to get his money back, but it had already been spent. Gao moved to a different city in China to get away. But the man continued to harass her family. Finally, Gao and her mother decided she should go to the US. They made arrangements with a smuggler and obtained a fake passport.

Again, I don’t understand whether the harassment of her family stopped once she left the country.

What the first judge said:

the immigration judge viewed the case as a civil dispute between Gao’s family, which had taken $2,200 in exchange for turning their daughter over for marriage, and the would-be husband who paid $2,200 for a bride. “This is clearly a dispute between two families and does not establish that [Gao] is a refugee,” the immigration judge ruled.

What I suspect is the legal crux:

The appeals court said that women who had been sold into marriage and who live in a part of China where forced marriages are considered valid and enforceable could qualify for refugee protection in the US.

All I’ve seen on this topic comes from this one article. Googling it found few other sources.

The issue is whether the courts in her local country will enforce the marriage and make her return to a man she says will abuse her. It’s actually not so much about the abuse per se, the court didn’t say there was a right to asylum to flee domestic abuse, but rather the fact that the courts in the country will keep her in an abusive marriage.

Why might they do that? This is in part of the post that was up earlier but I cut, namely that her mother spent the money that the husband to be gave. The husband asked for his money back when the girl fled and her mother can’t pay it (how they paid for her to be smuggled to the US then confuses me).

As I understand it, the local courts will see the marriage contract as valid and say that either she pays the money back or she returns to her betrothed. That is, they will enforce the marriage contract. This is why the first court, the one that refused her application, saw this as largely a civil matter.

But, back to asylum, I do think arranged marriage isn’t the central issue, rather it’s abuse, but is there a high correlation between the two?

The US government itself seems to be making arranged marriage the issue by talking about how many women there are in arranged marriages. But yes, the issue is really coming from a country where abusive marriages are legally enforced.

Of course, personally, I think the criticism is unfounded, as the war strategizers themselves underestimated the cost, both physical and fiscal, and distanced themselves from those who were realistic about the cost, all for the purpose of selling the action to the public in the first place. badabing.

But, back to asylum, I do think arranged marriage isn’t the central issue, rather it’s abuse, but is there a high correlation between the two?

women in saudi arabia are treated like chattel (some well fed and taken care of, but chattel nonetheless). instead of allowing a trivial number to immigrate the US perhaps we should just invade these countries and liberate everyone!

anyone truly on the left was opposed to the war

nice to know we have a kommissares in the house to tell us who is truly what!

Exactly: freedom’s untidy.