Comments on: NEJM on AIDS in India today http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ramesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-267666 Ramesh Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:02:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-267666 <p>flesh trade and extra marital affairs are the part of the culture of Chilakaluripeta and Pedda puram. In those areas there is no difference between a family women and prostitute. During the festivals they organise naked dance shows which they call "Prabha"s. When my friends went there to conduct some surveys, they found that the men encourage their women for fresh trade. When I went to another place in those areas,the moment we take an auto rikshaw, they start requesting us to visit brothel houses. No wonder those areas are being top in AIDS list.</p> flesh trade and extra marital affairs are the part of the culture of Chilakaluripeta and Pedda puram. In those areas there is no difference between a family women and prostitute. During the festivals they organise naked dance shows which they call “Prabha”s. When my friends went there to conduct some surveys, they found that the men encourage their women for fresh trade. When I went to another place in those areas,the moment we take an auto rikshaw, they start requesting us to visit brothel houses. No wonder those areas are being top in AIDS list.

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By: MoS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123741 MoS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:52:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123741 <blockquote>As one expert said: … “marriage is a must” in India, but protecting married women from infection “is a major problem. It is not socially appropriate for a wife to discuss using condoms with her husband. She is not able to negotiate safe sex.</blockquote> <p>How true does this ring with the experiences of people participating on this blog? Any insight into your parents', grandparents', aunts', uncles's marriages? Is this statement really true?</p> <p>I often hear how Indian woman are the "heads" of their households in India. If this is the case, such an attitude would be very incongruant.</p> As one expert said: … “marriage is a must” in India, but protecting married women from infection “is a major problem. It is not socially appropriate for a wife to discuss using condoms with her husband. She is not able to negotiate safe sex.

How true does this ring with the experiences of people participating on this blog? Any insight into your parents’, grandparents’, aunts’, uncles’s marriages? Is this statement really true?

I often hear how Indian woman are the “heads” of their households in India. If this is the case, such an attitude would be very incongruant.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123393 Ennis Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:59:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123393 <p>I count 8 states, but you're right, it's not useful unless you're talking about the more populous northern states.</p> I count 8 states, but you’re right, it’s not useful unless you’re talking about the more populous northern states.

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123336 voiceinthehead Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:23:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123336 <p>In this context, abuse or not, it is just culturally icky to ask your partner to use condom during marriage. It is not like the rest of 63% non-abusers are using condoms. What i find annoying is that all reports about AIDS in India is based on data collected in these four states. Till we have data from UP & Bihar, all those reports with, it is not spreading/we have it under control/our measures are working/our culture has protected us/ line need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. These states have huge migrant labor population who sometimes stay away for home for years. And they don't practise safe sex measures when they come back home.</p> In this context, abuse or not, it is just culturally icky to ask your partner to use condom during marriage. It is not like the rest of 63% non-abusers are using condoms. What i find annoying is that all reports about AIDS in India is based on data collected in these four states. Till we have data from UP & Bihar, all those reports with, it is not spreading/we have it under control/our measures are working/our culture has protected us/ line need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. These states have huge migrant labor population who sometimes stay away for home for years. And they don’t practise safe sex measures when they come back home.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123167 Ennis Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:11:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123167 <p>I had been hoping somebody would comment on what I thought was the most shocking part of this article - the 37% spousal abuse rate. It's in their tables, and I can't see where it comes from. I might just need to write another post on just those numbers alone.</p> I had been hoping somebody would comment on what I thought was the most shocking part of this article – the 37% spousal abuse rate. It’s in their tables, and I can’t see where it comes from. I might just need to write another post on just those numbers alone.

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123095 voiceinthehead Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:31:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123095 <p>I have close friends from those areas and they are as infamous as ever. What I found interesting was that non-english-medium swaathi reading non-hep crowd were more aware and open to contraception & condoms than some of us city folks. Many people still think promoting condoms as encouraging promiscuity.</p> I have close friends from those areas and they are as infamous as ever. What I found interesting was that non-english-medium swaathi reading non-hep crowd were more aware and open to contraception & condoms than some of us city folks. Many people still think promoting condoms as encouraging promiscuity.

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By: Namrata http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123094 Namrata Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:16:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123094 <p>4,6,7: Snort.</p> <p>I think one way of promoting condoms is highlighting it as a good health tool even for married, healthy, monogamous couples. It helps protect both parties from UTIs and fungal infections that are STDs but also not just STDs--i.e. a faithful person get get a UTI non-sexually and then pass it on to their partner. I read an article once in which a porn producer said that as a matter of principle, he never allowed a male member on screen without a very prominent and visible condom---none of this translucent, "barely-there" business. If condoms were marketed as a necessary and fashionable accesory for married couples, it would help ease the stigma for everyone else.</p> 4,6,7: Snort.

I think one way of promoting condoms is highlighting it as a good health tool even for married, healthy, monogamous couples. It helps protect both parties from UTIs and fungal infections that are STDs but also not just STDs–i.e. a faithful person get get a UTI non-sexually and then pass it on to their partner. I read an article once in which a porn producer said that as a matter of principle, he never allowed a male member on screen without a very prominent and visible condom—none of this translucent, “barely-there” business. If condoms were marketed as a necessary and fashionable accesory for married couples, it would help ease the stigma for everyone else.

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By: Prasad http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123092 Prasad Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:59:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123092 <blockquote>The dark areas seems to correspond to East godavari & Guntur districts. Peddapuram and Chilakaluripeta are famous long before first case of AIDS case was ever discovered</blockquote> <p>Yes, you are correct about their infamy. However, I didnt realize that they are still as infamous even today. About the usage of condoms, I am aware of youngsters who are bullied by their elders (who think in lines of Catholics) into not using any protection. I once overheard a mom telling her daughter not to use protection, because it might affect the fertility of her eggs. Needless to say (and to much delight of elders), this chica was pregnant within 3 months.</p> <p>Tells me that, emotional blackmail and elderly bullying tactics are much more potent than education after all.</p> The dark areas seems to correspond to East godavari & Guntur districts. Peddapuram and Chilakaluripeta are famous long before first case of AIDS case was ever discovered

Yes, you are correct about their infamy. However, I didnt realize that they are still as infamous even today. About the usage of condoms, I am aware of youngsters who are bullied by their elders (who think in lines of Catholics) into not using any protection. I once overheard a mom telling her daughter not to use protection, because it might affect the fertility of her eggs. Needless to say (and to much delight of elders), this chica was pregnant within 3 months.

Tells me that, emotional blackmail and elderly bullying tactics are much more potent than education after all.

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By: tamasha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123091 tamasha Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:59:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123091 <p>:)</p> :)

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/20/state_of_aids_i/comment-page-1/#comment-123085 Ennis Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:37:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4258#comment-123085 <blockquote>I'm sorry to hijack, but only for a second: That map really matches the sepia color scheme in a major way.</blockquote> <p>We launched a hostile takeover of the NEJM 2 quarters ago, but we're trying to keep it on the down lo.</p> I’m sorry to hijack, but only for a second: That map really matches the sepia color scheme in a major way.

We launched a hostile takeover of the NEJM 2 quarters ago, but we’re trying to keep it on the down lo.

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