Comments on: A Note on Inter-Immigrant Solidarity http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: No von Mises http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122275 No von Mises Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:16:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122275 <p>Wow.</p> <p>I hate when I cheerlead but some of the stuff I read on SM, by both the bloggers and commenters, is so exceedingly good that I have to just use the pom-poms. Shruti that was brilliant.</p> <blockquote>Mourning doesn't replace what's lost, but it does facilitate a transformation, and that implies the possibility of new politics of solidarity. </blockquote> <p>Alot is made of the politics of vendetta's so this was a refreshing look at when barriers are broken. Again, brilliant.</p> Wow.

I hate when I cheerlead but some of the stuff I read on SM, by both the bloggers and commenters, is so exceedingly good that I have to just use the pom-poms. Shruti that was brilliant.

Mourning doesn’t replace what’s lost, but it does facilitate a transformation, and that implies the possibility of new politics of solidarity.

Alot is made of the politics of vendetta’s so this was a refreshing look at when barriers are broken. Again, brilliant.

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By: tamasha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122199 tamasha Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:10:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122199 <p>Why's it OK to "sister" someone but not "Uncle" them? Huh? What're you, <i>sexist</i> or something? ;)</p> Why’s it OK to “sister” someone but not “Uncle” them? Huh? What’re you, sexist or something? ;)

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By: Mr Kobayashi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122165 Mr Kobayashi Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:12:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122165 <p>Shruti-sister, you're a treasure.</p> <p>Thank you.</p> Shruti-sister, you’re a treasure.

Thank you.

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122155 Shruti Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:38:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122155 <p>No Von Mises</p> <blockquote>The death knell of such a wonderful expression of solidarity arising from various social circles seems to be suburbia, or more to the point, a lack of proximity to other people. It's so difficult to have meaningful conversations about solidarity (nevermind actions) when one's reality allows one to hole up, to not intermingle and have seclusion and little dialogue pass as normal and acceptable. So I wonder, can what happened in NYC happen in Anytown, USA? Can it happen in LA, where immigrant communities are so heavily partitioned? I think the forces to huddle up with each other are greater than those that do the opposite, but damn, suburbia makes it difficult for the spirit to jive with reality. Great lesson in this story though.</blockquote> <p>Hmm... according to Judith Butler, the one human condition we all share is the experience of loss, which, constituted in part politically by the vulnerability of our bodies, becomes the basis for relationality. She says losing another makes oneself "go missing"; we are constituted and, consequently, dispossessed by our relations. Her project was to figure out what compensates for loss. If no one escapes loss and the vulnerability that accompanies it, then perhaps the compensation comes from the act of mourning it. Mourning doesn't replace what's lost, but it does facilitate a transformation, and that implies the possibility of new politics of solidarity.</p> <p>If what you are saying about the difference between the city and the suburbs is true, then it means that suburbia dehumanizes its inhabitants by reducing their sense of their own vulnerability. Suburban isolation offers a kind of security that begins in blinding insularity and ends in that creepy contentment and self-affirmation you see in movies like <i>Pleasantville</i>. And this, of course, is in stark contrast to the equally unsettling fatalism you see in the millions of people who face the exact opposite of suburban security.</p> <p>You're right about the inevitability of feeling solidarity in the city, if for no other reason, then because the "huddling" leaves people with little choice but to be exposed to each other. (And yes, I think LA has difficulty with it because of the way it's sectioned off -- one of the reasons for the emergence of ethnic gangs in the mid-20th century.) Anyway, on NY and feeling the kind of solidarity that proximity cultivates: it truly is a great thing, as long as you keep in mind that feeling pain for another's loss is not the same as sharing the experiences that led to it. It would be highly problematic if we used our feeling of pain for others to trivialize the issue of our own privilege (or lack thereof, as the case may be). As Virgina Woolf once said about our use of pictures (media), in looking at other people's pain, one shouldn't take for granted who the "we" are. But still, I think the greater threat here is in the conclusion that pain isn't sharable, so I'm glad we're being exposed to this in angles by which we can make connections to our own lives.</p> No Von Mises

The death knell of such a wonderful expression of solidarity arising from various social circles seems to be suburbia, or more to the point, a lack of proximity to other people. It’s so difficult to have meaningful conversations about solidarity (nevermind actions) when one’s reality allows one to hole up, to not intermingle and have seclusion and little dialogue pass as normal and acceptable. So I wonder, can what happened in NYC happen in Anytown, USA? Can it happen in LA, where immigrant communities are so heavily partitioned? I think the forces to huddle up with each other are greater than those that do the opposite, but damn, suburbia makes it difficult for the spirit to jive with reality. Great lesson in this story though.

Hmm… according to Judith Butler, the one human condition we all share is the experience of loss, which, constituted in part politically by the vulnerability of our bodies, becomes the basis for relationality. She says losing another makes oneself “go missing”; we are constituted and, consequently, dispossessed by our relations. Her project was to figure out what compensates for loss. If no one escapes loss and the vulnerability that accompanies it, then perhaps the compensation comes from the act of mourning it. Mourning doesn’t replace what’s lost, but it does facilitate a transformation, and that implies the possibility of new politics of solidarity.

If what you are saying about the difference between the city and the suburbs is true, then it means that suburbia dehumanizes its inhabitants by reducing their sense of their own vulnerability. Suburban isolation offers a kind of security that begins in blinding insularity and ends in that creepy contentment and self-affirmation you see in movies like Pleasantville. And this, of course, is in stark contrast to the equally unsettling fatalism you see in the millions of people who face the exact opposite of suburban security.

You’re right about the inevitability of feeling solidarity in the city, if for no other reason, then because the “huddling” leaves people with little choice but to be exposed to each other. (And yes, I think LA has difficulty with it because of the way it’s sectioned off — one of the reasons for the emergence of ethnic gangs in the mid-20th century.) Anyway, on NY and feeling the kind of solidarity that proximity cultivates: it truly is a great thing, as long as you keep in mind that feeling pain for another’s loss is not the same as sharing the experiences that led to it. It would be highly problematic if we used our feeling of pain for others to trivialize the issue of our own privilege (or lack thereof, as the case may be). As Virgina Woolf once said about our use of pictures (media), in looking at other people’s pain, one shouldn’t take for granted who the “we” are. But still, I think the greater threat here is in the conclusion that pain isn’t sharable, so I’m glad we’re being exposed to this in angles by which we can make connections to our own lives.

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122151 Shruti Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:25:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122151 <p>There have been posts with desi angles far more obscure than the one here (which is not obscure at all), but nobody tries to "expose" anything because, in most cases, the bloggers are aiming for timepass humor, so we end up not taking the angle very seriously. Siddhartha consistently gets the worst of the DesiAngle (TM) Police because he usually does imply something serious about the connections. Ultimately, the problem for people like Spade is not that there isn't a valid or sufficient desi angle, but that there is, and they're afraid of seriously entertaining it.</p> There have been posts with desi angles far more obscure than the one here (which is not obscure at all), but nobody tries to “expose” anything because, in most cases, the bloggers are aiming for timepass humor, so we end up not taking the angle very seriously. Siddhartha consistently gets the worst of the DesiAngle (TM) Police because he usually does imply something serious about the connections. Ultimately, the problem for people like Spade is not that there isn’t a valid or sufficient desi angle, but that there is, and they’re afraid of seriously entertaining it.

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122068 siddhartha Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:32:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122068 <p>"SpadeASpade" -- By your presentation, argumentation, tone, theme, and world-view, you make a sad example of how far we have yet to come as a culture. Please be assured that sectarians and chauvinists such as yourself will not stop me from writing about fellow desis -- and in this case, fellow Bengalis -- in whatever context I deem suitable. Thank you and goodbye.</p> “SpadeASpade” — By your presentation, argumentation, tone, theme, and world-view, you make a sad example of how far we have yet to come as a culture. Please be assured that sectarians and chauvinists such as yourself will not stop me from writing about fellow desis — and in this case, fellow Bengalis — in whatever context I deem suitable. Thank you and goodbye.

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By: Ruby http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122057 Ruby Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:48:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122057 <p>OK SpadeASpade, how about this. Why the hell does it burn your skin what the SepiaMutiny people write about? <b>It's their blog, they can write about whatever the hell they want to write about.</b> If you don't like it, don't read it. What are you, some kind of ethnic-blog standards enforcer? You weirdo.</p> OK SpadeASpade, how about this. Why the hell does it burn your skin what the SepiaMutiny people write about? It’s their blog, they can write about whatever the hell they want to write about. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. What are you, some kind of ethnic-blog standards enforcer? You weirdo.

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By: SpadeASpade http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122052 SpadeASpade Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:43:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122052 <p>Ruby & Pondatti,</p> <p>Stick to substance not repartee.</p> Ruby & Pondatti,

Stick to substance not repartee.

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By: Ruby http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122049 Ruby Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:38:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122049 <blockquote>I am not complaining dear - I am exposing. I am alerting you on how you repeatedly stray from your only-desi proclamations.</blockquote> <p>Do you realise how pompous you seem?</p> I am not complaining dear – I am exposing. I am alerting you on how you repeatedly stray from your only-desi proclamations.

Do you realise how pompous you seem?

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By: Pondatti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/14/a_note_on_inter/comment-page-1/#comment-122046 Pondatti Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:35:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4245#comment-122046 <blockquote>I am not complaining dear - <b>I am exposing</b>. I am alerting you on how you repeatedly stray from your only-desi proclamations</blockquote> <p>All you are "exposing", <i>dear</i>, is your embarrassingly poor reading comp skills. The unbrown meanderings of this blog don't vex you and you couldn't care less about accountability. There, there. You got attention. Happy?</p> I am not complaining dear – I am exposing. I am alerting you on how you repeatedly stray from your only-desi proclamations

All you are “exposing”, dear, is your embarrassingly poor reading comp skills. The unbrown meanderings of this blog don’t vex you and you couldn’t care less about accountability. There, there. You got attention. Happy?

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