Comments on: Controversy over “Nishabd,” RGV’s “Lolita” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: utah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-2/#comment-227298 utah Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-227298 <p>One of the best Megaupload searchers and download centers is http://megaupload.name/ I have downloaded lots of files out of there- you can do it to!</p> One of the best Megaupload searchers and download centers is http://megaupload.name/ I have downloaded lots of files out of there- you can do it to!

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By: Anil CS Rao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-2/#comment-210522 Anil CS Rao Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:59:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-210522 <p>On Second Thought - if the character (girl) is portrayed as under 21 - disgusting!</p> On Second Thought – if the character (girl) is portrayed as under 21 – disgusting!

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By: Harbeer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-197873 Harbeer Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:23:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-197873 <p><i>46 · <b>Karlton</b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004215.html#comment120784">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>to emphasize the point Al Mujahid made: If the girl is 18, then whats the big deal??!</blockquote> <p>Well, the male lead is married. I guess that's something of a big deal to some people. (When all you've got is a hammer all the world looks like a nail, right?)</p> <p><i>American Beauty</i> also comes to mind as a promising comparison, though I should admit that <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004215.html#comment120626">I haven't seen</a> <i>Nishabd</i>.</p> 46 · Karlton said

to emphasize the point Al Mujahid made: If the girl is 18, then whats the big deal??!

Well, the male lead is married. I guess that’s something of a big deal to some people. (When all you’ve got is a hammer all the world looks like a nail, right?)

American Beauty also comes to mind as a promising comparison, though I should admit that I haven’t seen Nishabd.

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By: Anil CS Rao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-197868 Anil CS Rao Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-197868 <p>The actress in this movie is very pretty - Nabakov's original was captured in this casting of this actress. Humbert Hari Humbert (me) would be satiated by her youthful charm.</p> <p>Would love to have someone like this in my media / video installation work.</p> The actress in this movie is very pretty - Nabakov’s original was captured in this casting of this actress. Humbert Hari Humbert (me) would be satiated by her youthful charm.

Would love to have someone like this in my media / video installation work.

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-121046 Amrita Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:35:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-121046 <p>chachaji, truth be told, I never give the Maharaja of Patiala a thought (although I heard his Parisian son died in a strange manner), but yes, thanks, I meant libertine, and no, I didn't think Indian royals had to wait for the independence movement to be that way. OTOH, I reckon they went underground for a while there, relatively speaking, what with so many queens taking to petticoats and Sunity Devi apparently wearing her sart over a dress.</p> chachaji, truth be told, I never give the Maharaja of Patiala a thought (although I heard his Parisian son died in a strange manner), but yes, thanks, I meant libertine, and no, I didn’t think Indian royals had to wait for the independence movement to be that way. OTOH, I reckon they went underground for a while there, relatively speaking, what with so many queens taking to petticoats and Sunity Devi apparently wearing her sart over a dress.

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By: Anil Rao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-120881 Anil Rao Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:42:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-120881 <p>I don't know why all this negative point of view by Amardeep,if any thing it should help the movie(some times it will not help,like in the case of KANK...karan & Shahruk couple disaster).But what ever may be the angle and intentions of highlighting the small political protests here, Delhi high court has cleared the movie and no where in India it is stopped showing(as of now).</p> I don’t know why all this negative point of view by Amardeep,if any thing it should help the movie(some times it will not help,like in the case of KANK…karan & Shahruk couple disaster).But what ever may be the angle and intentions of highlighting the small political protests here, Delhi high court has cleared the movie and no where in India it is stopped showing(as of now).

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By: Karlton http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-120784 Karlton Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:31:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-120784 <p>to emphasize the point Al Mujahid made: If the girl is 18, then whats the big deal??!</p> to emphasize the point Al Mujahid made: If the girl is 18, then whats the big deal??!

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By: Anil Rao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-120777 Anil Rao Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:02:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-120777 <p>'Nishabd' goes to prove that Ram Gopal Varma has not lost his magic touch. The maverick filmmaker is truly the master of his craft. From the opening reels to the conclusion, Varma unspools the story at a rhythmic pace. The cinematography and the camera angles are superb. The editing, though jerky at times, is slick. And never does the elegance of form overpower the movie's main content.</p> <p>For all the lovers of good quality cinema, 'Nishabd' is strongly recommended. The film has a riveting plot and Mr. Bachchan at his best.</p> <p>To hell with convention. I give this film four stars out of five.</p> <p>Rating ****</p> <p>(By Naresh Kumar, critic ApunKaChoice)</p> <p>1.http://in.movies.yahoo.com/070302/128/6crdm.html 2.http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1716410.cms....some more good reviews.</p> <p>I don't know why all this negative talk here,if any thing it should help the movie.</p> <p>RGV is the master of his craft and he has proven it once again!</p> ‘Nishabd’ goes to prove that Ram Gopal Varma has not lost his magic touch. The maverick filmmaker is truly the master of his craft. From the opening reels to the conclusion, Varma unspools the story at a rhythmic pace. The cinematography and the camera angles are superb. The editing, though jerky at times, is slick. And never does the elegance of form overpower the movie’s main content.

For all the lovers of good quality cinema, ‘Nishabd’ is strongly recommended. The film has a riveting plot and Mr. Bachchan at his best.

To hell with convention. I give this film four stars out of five.

Rating ****

(By Naresh Kumar, critic ApunKaChoice)

1.http://in.movies.yahoo.com/070302/128/6crdm.html 2.http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1716410.cms….some more good reviews.

I don’t know why all this negative talk here,if any thing it should help the movie.

RGV is the master of his craft and he has proven it once again!

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By: chachaji http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-120745 chachaji Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:56:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-120745 <p>Thanks for a thoughtful (and though-provoking) response, Amrita. Your insight on racism inducing repression throe ugh negative moral self-image seems right on. Perhaps that would act on people that are not middle class, too. Minor quibble - I think you meant libertine, not libertarian - but I wonder if Indian royalty had to wait till the early twentieth century for that - are you thinking of anyone in particular, oh, say, the Maharaja of Patiala, by any chance?</p> Thanks for a thoughtful (and though-provoking) response, Amrita. Your insight on racism inducing repression throe ugh negative moral self-image seems right on. Perhaps that would act on people that are not middle class, too. Minor quibble – I think you meant libertine, not libertarian – but I wonder if Indian royalty had to wait till the early twentieth century for that – are you thinking of anyone in particular, oh, say, the Maharaja of Patiala, by any chance?

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/03/05/controversy_ove/comment-page-1/#comment-120728 Amrita Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:11:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4215#comment-120728 <p>chachaji, yes, I think there is a causal relationship between colonialism, the racism it entails, and sexual repression-- how could it be otherwise?</p> <p>ARC said himself that he was pitching middle class and upper middle class people in India-- in fact in Kolkata. I think it is these groups who absorbed the colonial message about "native" sex most extensively, and indeed have carried it forward on their own for a while, and these groups are still in charge of what visible signs of sexuality are permissible, and what they might call morality.</p> <p>I agree that repression and pruderey are primarily middle class traits or adopted habits at the best of times. Yet I don't think Indian royalty were openly libertarian until the early twentieth century, when the push to independence was well under way, and then it was hardly everyone. Hopefully, this killjoy malady couldn't quite reach all poor people, although the extreme poverty and crowding that resulted from colonial suppression of economic development must surely continue to impose other strictures and cut down possibilities of associated leisure. Certainly, economic growth for the middle classes and financial security for middle class individuals were also severely compromised by the British, and the prudery could have arisen in part from that, the need to secure support for families, just as you say nowadays people are being gradually released from prudery by a positive change in their prospects. (Of course the boom is just beginning--there's unimaginably more growth where that's coming from, and so will there be increasing freedom of all kinds of expression.)</p> <p>I'm extrapolating from the American experience of racism and sexuality, where, undoubtedly, many white people, and Jefferson most explicitly, have long assumed that they alone engaged in a more delicate, emotionally wrought and less wanton form of sex than other races. I'm not sure how the message of sexual superiority was conveyed by the British during colonial rule in India, but it seems impossible that it was not. There had to be an ongoing assertion of overall superiority and removal from bestiality to enable colonization (as much as slavery) as being just treatment of an inferior people. Some of it did happen in schools, where white priests, nuns and other authority figures spoke way down to their heathen charges. Apart from anything else, the message seems still at large-- or why would white people today be offended by the way the portrayal of relative sexual sensitivity is reversed in <i>The Rising</i>?</p> <p>Repression relies on shame and I've never seen or heard of shame in the West about Europeans having repopulated large swathes of the world's landed surface in five short centuries, and at the same time no shame at all about dictating to other populations how to control their growth-- much the same thing, though at a remove.</p> chachaji, yes, I think there is a causal relationship between colonialism, the racism it entails, and sexual repression– how could it be otherwise?

ARC said himself that he was pitching middle class and upper middle class people in India– in fact in Kolkata. I think it is these groups who absorbed the colonial message about “native” sex most extensively, and indeed have carried it forward on their own for a while, and these groups are still in charge of what visible signs of sexuality are permissible, and what they might call morality.

I agree that repression and pruderey are primarily middle class traits or adopted habits at the best of times. Yet I don’t think Indian royalty were openly libertarian until the early twentieth century, when the push to independence was well under way, and then it was hardly everyone. Hopefully, this killjoy malady couldn’t quite reach all poor people, although the extreme poverty and crowding that resulted from colonial suppression of economic development must surely continue to impose other strictures and cut down possibilities of associated leisure. Certainly, economic growth for the middle classes and financial security for middle class individuals were also severely compromised by the British, and the prudery could have arisen in part from that, the need to secure support for families, just as you say nowadays people are being gradually released from prudery by a positive change in their prospects. (Of course the boom is just beginning–there’s unimaginably more growth where that’s coming from, and so will there be increasing freedom of all kinds of expression.)

I’m extrapolating from the American experience of racism and sexuality, where, undoubtedly, many white people, and Jefferson most explicitly, have long assumed that they alone engaged in a more delicate, emotionally wrought and less wanton form of sex than other races. I’m not sure how the message of sexual superiority was conveyed by the British during colonial rule in India, but it seems impossible that it was not. There had to be an ongoing assertion of overall superiority and removal from bestiality to enable colonization (as much as slavery) as being just treatment of an inferior people. Some of it did happen in schools, where white priests, nuns and other authority figures spoke way down to their heathen charges. Apart from anything else, the message seems still at large– or why would white people today be offended by the way the portrayal of relative sexual sensitivity is reversed in The Rising?

Repression relies on shame and I’ve never seen or heard of shame in the West about Europeans having repopulated large swathes of the world’s landed surface in five short centuries, and at the same time no shame at all about dictating to other populations how to control their growth– much the same thing, though at a remove.

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