Comments on: All That Glitters Ain’t (Banarasi) Gold http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Janeofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-121026 Janeofalltrades Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:57:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-121026 <blockquote> but you said it like it was a universal truth when you originally said that very few women look good natural</blockquote> <p>It was a personal opinion of course not the universal truth. Most of the banter here is opinion isnt it while we are on the superficialities of the topic; but your point is well taken. <b>Most </b>was a bad word. I take it back. I should have used a clearer term when I was actually thinking of those women who use it as a badge of beauty but could really use a little bit of help to look their best and I <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004206.html#comment120118">tried </a>to clarify but I suppose it got lost.</p> but you said it like it was a universal truth when you originally said that very few women look good natural

It was a personal opinion of course not the universal truth. Most of the banter here is opinion isnt it while we are on the superficialities of the topic; but your point is well taken. Most was a bad word. I take it back. I should have used a clearer term when I was actually thinking of those women who use it as a badge of beauty but could really use a little bit of help to look their best and I tried to clarify but I suppose it got lost.

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By: desishiksa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-121022 desishiksa Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:29:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-121022 <blockquote>natural can very well age you and make you look like hell</blockquote> <p>While I agree that it's all superficial (and I think being superficial in the right context), I think you're missing the point that it's just your opinion, but you said it like it was a universal truth when you originally said that very few women look good natural. I don't think you're one of those people who thinks they are only beautiful with makeup on, but I kind of feel bad for people who do, and I think it just reinforces that feeling in them when they hear stuff like that from someone attractive. For example, I get up 15 minutes early (and let me tell you, it's a bitch when you get up before dawn every day to begin with ) every morning to blow dry my wavy hair straight. I like it better that way, but I like it better for me, not everyone else. If I said something like "very few wavy haired women look good with their hair natural", that might make a lot of wavy haired women feel bad, don't you think? It was the implication in your words that I and others objected to.</p> natural can very well age you and make you look like hell

While I agree that it’s all superficial (and I think being superficial in the right context), I think you’re missing the point that it’s just your opinion, but you said it like it was a universal truth when you originally said that very few women look good natural. I don’t think you’re one of those people who thinks they are only beautiful with makeup on, but I kind of feel bad for people who do, and I think it just reinforces that feeling in them when they hear stuff like that from someone attractive. For example, I get up 15 minutes early (and let me tell you, it’s a bitch when you get up before dawn every day to begin with ) every morning to blow dry my wavy hair straight. I like it better that way, but I like it better for me, not everyone else. If I said something like “very few wavy haired women look good with their hair natural”, that might make a lot of wavy haired women feel bad, don’t you think? It was the implication in your words that I and others objected to.

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By: Janeofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-121014 Janeofalltrades Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:17:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-121014 <p>Shruti, I realize it's been a few days since I saw this thread and didn't realize an off the cuff comment would piss you off so much because you took bits and pieces of what I wrote and missed the whole point and I don't want to hash it out. I haven't unfortunately been able to completely understand you between the quotes and unquotes where they should be so forgive me if I'm being redundant.</p> <p>You are entitled to your opinion which I'm not going to call bullshit like you called mine. I was simply calling out the women that seem to think natural always is such a great thing when infact you need SPF protection at the least these days and natural can very well age you and make you look like hell. Some women enjoy it, most don't. Yes I'll go on a limb and make that assumption. And yeah a lot of women hold up the natural cause like it's a war sign that they are untouchable. Really it is purely superficial I don't know why you'd think that it isn't a valid viewpoint just because it's superficial.</p> <p>No one in their right mind would imply makeup should replace and change you who are or alter you completely for that matter. However I'm not going to go down that route. It's a thread about the film industry for crying out loud really how much more damn superficial can it get than that?</p> <p>SDM & Saira, My gosh ladies. Seriously I'm a fan of the gems Saira so rarely graces us with and she needs her own blog. She's in the thick of it, the pro. I'm just an amateur at this shit.</p> Shruti, I realize it’s been a few days since I saw this thread and didn’t realize an off the cuff comment would piss you off so much because you took bits and pieces of what I wrote and missed the whole point and I don’t want to hash it out. I haven’t unfortunately been able to completely understand you between the quotes and unquotes where they should be so forgive me if I’m being redundant.

You are entitled to your opinion which I’m not going to call bullshit like you called mine. I was simply calling out the women that seem to think natural always is such a great thing when infact you need SPF protection at the least these days and natural can very well age you and make you look like hell. Some women enjoy it, most don’t. Yes I’ll go on a limb and make that assumption. And yeah a lot of women hold up the natural cause like it’s a war sign that they are untouchable. Really it is purely superficial I don’t know why you’d think that it isn’t a valid viewpoint just because it’s superficial.

No one in their right mind would imply makeup should replace and change you who are or alter you completely for that matter. However I’m not going to go down that route. It’s a thread about the film industry for crying out loud really how much more damn superficial can it get than that?

SDM & Saira, My gosh ladies. Seriously I’m a fan of the gems Saira so rarely graces us with and she needs her own blog. She’s in the thick of it, the pro. I’m just an amateur at this shit.

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By: hotdesisrule http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-121008 hotdesisrule Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:34:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-121008 <p>thank you, huey, for reminding us to talk about Noureen Dewulf. Talk about A) hot B) talented!! and she was the lead in oscar winning West Bank Story!</p> <p>Here is her myspace page: www.myspace.com/noureendewulf and her imdb profile: http://imdb.com/name/nm1715275/.</p> <p>I loved West Bank story. And how awesome was it that the director spoke about peace between Israel and Palestine when he accepted the award. The only reason it might seem like a bollywood musical is because it is a musical. There is nothing else in common between West Bank Story and bollywood. So Ardy, you might want to watch again--considering how well it did at film festivals (including sundance) you might be alone in your opinion that it is "cheesy".</p> thank you, huey, for reminding us to talk about Noureen Dewulf. Talk about A) hot B) talented!! and she was the lead in oscar winning West Bank Story!

Here is her myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/noureendewulf and her imdb profile: http://imdb.com/name/nm1715275/.

I loved West Bank story. And how awesome was it that the director spoke about peace between Israel and Palestine when he accepted the award. The only reason it might seem like a bollywood musical is because it is a musical. There is nothing else in common between West Bank Story and bollywood. So Ardy, you might want to watch again–considering how well it did at film festivals (including sundance) you might be alone in your opinion that it is “cheesy”.

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By: Divya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-120408 Divya Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:25:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-120408 <p>Okay, I think I finally figured out what exactly was bothering me about this whole thing if anyone’s still reading. Speaking of Cinderalla, remember how all the fairy-tales, and many of the time-honored myths somehow manage to equate beauty with goodness? And a bad character with ugliness? That’s no longer the case but I think something of the reverse has happened. At least judging from the simplistic way some of us have been characterized. By no means did I bear the brunt of it but I nevertheless feel I was forced to flaunt my feminist credentials in order to prove that I wasn’t some sort of a shallow person. So Shruti, to answer one of your questions, that’s what is so stifling. We should be able to freely hold forth on the relative merits of the natural vs. the painted look on Oscar night without being deemed to be intellectually and morally as low as Cinderalla’s step sisters. None of us really falls for the gimmicky names and actually believes that lipstick is the way to Nirvana. So wherever this backlash came from, I don’t think it’s a good place to be and is definitely pandering to something or the other (men perhaps?)</p> Okay, I think I finally figured out what exactly was bothering me about this whole thing if anyone’s still reading. Speaking of Cinderalla, remember how all the fairy-tales, and many of the time-honored myths somehow manage to equate beauty with goodness? And a bad character with ugliness? That’s no longer the case but I think something of the reverse has happened. At least judging from the simplistic way some of us have been characterized. By no means did I bear the brunt of it but I nevertheless feel I was forced to flaunt my feminist credentials in order to prove that I wasn’t some sort of a shallow person. So Shruti, to answer one of your questions, that’s what is so stifling. We should be able to freely hold forth on the relative merits of the natural vs. the painted look on Oscar night without being deemed to be intellectually and morally as low as Cinderalla’s step sisters. None of us really falls for the gimmicky names and actually believes that lipstick is the way to Nirvana. So wherever this backlash came from, I don’t think it’s a good place to be and is definitely pandering to something or the other (men perhaps?)

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By: SP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-120406 SP Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:56:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-120406 <p>Natasha - yeah, it was kind of Cinderella/Pretty Woman-ish in a sense, wasn't it? The tragically beautiful one being saved and redeemed by the handsome elite Gandhian. Not that you'd imagine a nice-looking prostituted widow and a highminded but still red-blooded male to do any different, I suppose. The film might not have attracted as wide of a viewership if she had stuck to a more classic art-house aesthetic and format and kept it gritty, and I suppose that's the point, she was trying to bridge audiences. It was very much a form of Chicken Soup for the Middlebrow PBS-Watching Soul. Better than melodramatic unsubtle stuff like Mtrityudand, but not at all at the same level as a Khamosh Paani.</p> Natasha – yeah, it was kind of Cinderella/Pretty Woman-ish in a sense, wasn’t it? The tragically beautiful one being saved and redeemed by the handsome elite Gandhian. Not that you’d imagine a nice-looking prostituted widow and a highminded but still red-blooded male to do any different, I suppose. The film might not have attracted as wide of a viewership if she had stuck to a more classic art-house aesthetic and format and kept it gritty, and I suppose that’s the point, she was trying to bridge audiences. It was very much a form of Chicken Soup for the Middlebrow PBS-Watching Soul. Better than melodramatic unsubtle stuff like Mtrityudand, but not at all at the same level as a Khamosh Paani.

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By: Arjun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-120402 Arjun Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:09:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-120402 <p>Natasha, you have said beautifully what most Indians feel about DM and her movies.</p> Natasha, you have said beautifully what most Indians feel about DM and her movies.

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By: Saira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-120389 Saira Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:01:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-120389 <p>I am a regular fan as well, but many thanks for the compliment. I just work in LA and see the styles from the inside out. Maybe we should all ban together on JOAT's blog to demand what we really want to read: the truth behind gloss!</p> I am a regular fan as well, but many thanks for the compliment. I just work in LA and see the styles from the inside out. Maybe we should all ban together on JOAT’s blog to demand what we really want to read: the truth behind gloss!

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By: SemiDesiMasala http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-120388 SemiDesiMasala Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:43:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-120388 <blockquote>I'll defer my fashion rants & raves in favour of yuor checking out JaneofallTrades's blog, as she is quite on the money with her fashion insights as well</blockquote> <p>worry not, I'm a regular reader of JOAT's blog... you just sound like you have a lot of fab tips to contribute :)</p> I’ll defer my fashion rants & raves in favour of yuor checking out JaneofallTrades’s blog, as she is quite on the money with her fashion insights as well

worry not, I’m a regular reader of JOAT’s blog… you just sound like you have a lot of fab tips to contribute :)

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By: Saira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/26/all_that_glitte/comment-page-4/#comment-120387 Saira Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:34:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4206#comment-120387 <p>SemiDesiMasala: <strong><em>blush</em></strong>, but I'll defer my fashion rants & raves in favour of yuor checking out JaneofallTrades's blog, as she is quite on the money with her fashion insights as well...her's is one of the very few blogs that speaks from the inside out. Not to mention, she's such a hottie to look at.</p> SemiDesiMasala: blush, but I’ll defer my fashion rants & raves in favour of yuor checking out JaneofallTrades’s blog, as she is quite on the money with her fashion insights as well…her’s is one of the very few blogs that speaks from the inside out. Not to mention, she’s such a hottie to look at.

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