Comments on: The Gays are on to something good… http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Samjae http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-119095 Samjae Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:17:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-119095 <p>Know what i love, how everybody here is so casual, liek most of the guys that read mutiny blogs are jsut to carry on a conversation with a college chick to get laid because what they said had meaning but its all ripped off, the mutineers arnt here supplying that, they are trying to plant a seeed so that somday someperson will actully read one of these and try to make a difference, llol, makes me wonder who will, these jokers</p> Know what i love, how everybody here is so casual, liek most of the guys that read mutiny blogs are jsut to carry on a conversation with a college chick to get laid because what they said had meaning but its all ripped off, the mutineers arnt here supplying that, they are trying to plant a seeed so that somday someperson will actully read one of these and try to make a difference, llol, makes me wonder who will, these jokers

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By: sic semper tyrannis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-119058 sic semper tyrannis Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:47:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-119058 <p>Abhi,</p> <p>"On its surface this doesn’t have anything to do with South Asian Americans"</p> <p>Even beneath that surface it has a weak, tenuous link to being about desis, at best. But I don't think that matters because I'll admit even though it's not news <i>about</i> desis, it is news <i>for</i> desis - well, some. I think SM can learn from the /. motto "news <i>for</i> nerds". Replace nerds with desis - the predicate is anyways flexible. The important part is the preposition 'for' instead of 'about'. News for desis will correlate highly with news about desis, but they're radically different near their peripheries. You'll find that news unrelated to desis may still be suitable news for desis - this part SM is good at, at times, like with this article. You'll also find that news about desis may not be suitable <i>for</i> desis - this part SM struggles with, often.</p> Abhi,

“On its surface this doesn’t have anything to do with South Asian Americans”

Even beneath that surface it has a weak, tenuous link to being about desis, at best. But I don’t think that matters because I’ll admit even though it’s not news about desis, it is news for desis – well, some. I think SM can learn from the /. motto “news for nerds”. Replace nerds with desis – the predicate is anyways flexible. The important part is the preposition ‘for’ instead of ‘about’. News for desis will correlate highly with news about desis, but they’re radically different near their peripheries. You’ll find that news unrelated to desis may still be suitable news for desis – this part SM is good at, at times, like with this article. You’ll also find that news about desis may not be suitable for desis – this part SM struggles with, often.

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By: Neal (with no 'e') http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-119015 Neal (with no 'e') Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:23:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-119015 <p>Perhaps the unity that exists is the recognition that, at the very least, most gay people understand that heteronormativity exists and is a problem.</p> <p>Consider some of the arguments that periodically rip through sites like Sepia Mutiny over even the term "South Asian". The gay community is incredibly diverse, but (as far as I know) it doesn't really have a Dinesh D'Souza figure who denies that oppression. Many South Asians are still denying the existence of a defined community encompassing all the nations and religions of Southern Asia. Some even question whether racial and religious discrimination is really a problem for us in the USA.</p> Perhaps the unity that exists is the recognition that, at the very least, most gay people understand that heteronormativity exists and is a problem.

Consider some of the arguments that periodically rip through sites like Sepia Mutiny over even the term “South Asian”. The gay community is incredibly diverse, but (as far as I know) it doesn’t really have a Dinesh D’Souza figure who denies that oppression. Many South Asians are still denying the existence of a defined community encompassing all the nations and religions of Southern Asia. Some even question whether racial and religious discrimination is really a problem for us in the USA.

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By: coach diesel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-119013 coach diesel Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:15:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-119013 <p><i>I heard that lesbians spend all their disposable income on potlucks, cats and herbal tea.</i></p> <p>Funny, I heard it was barbells, nipple rings and crotch rockets.</p> <p>At least, in my necka da woods you can have them all.Of course, we are the home of the Nubian Queens MC. ;) (That's MC as in motorcycle club, for you acronym impaired types :)</p> I heard that lesbians spend all their disposable income on potlucks, cats and herbal tea.

Funny, I heard it was barbells, nipple rings and crotch rockets.

At least, in my necka da woods you can have them all.Of course, we are the home of the Nubian Queens MC. ;) (That’s MC as in motorcycle club, for you acronym impaired types :)

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By: Shruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-119011 Shruti Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:59:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-119011 <blockquote>Remember Durbin, Abraham, and Webb? I think in the case of Macaca-Gate, South Asian money did have some impact on the race. That effort had no real organization behind it, however. <b>I also realize that unlike the gay community (to an extent), South Asian Americans aren't necessarily a voting block, but are rather voting "iceberg"</b> (a term I like to forward). Still, some of the ideas that Gill has put into practice could work very well for other groups.</blockquote> <p>I guess your saying "(to an extent)" in quotes accommodates for the quibble I have with calling the "gay community" a voting bloc, but since you're encouraging a South Asian analogy, and since I'm not sure what exceptions you had in mind, I thought I'd elaborate on the one I have in my mind:</p> <p>I think the present-day queer community is also comprised of icebergs, one of which is TheGays (TM). TheGays (TM) are the queers that the mainstream audience knows best and assumes represent the rest of the queer community. In a sense, they are the queer parallel to the "model minority". These guys are usually rich white men who are very, very, comfortable being rich and white and male in the ways that capitalism/materialism, white privilege, and binary male-female gender roles have always operated... except, of course, in their sexuality :)</p> <p>TheGays (TM) iceberg is huge. It is powerful. I'm not saying it doesn't do a lot of good for the queer community; it most certainly does, and that is why the rest of the queer community rallies around them, making it all look like one big, monolithic political (and even cultural) bloc. But ask a poor, genderqueer, Chican@ immigrant or a poor, gay, black sex worker only a few generations removed from slavery -- or shit, even a poor white lesbian with dependents -- what he/she/ze has in common with guys like Gill, and, apart from coming together against oppressive heteronormativity, I doubt any would be able to come up with much.</p> <p>So while the entire community might be a one voting bloc on the legality of homosexuality, gay marriage, and "Don't ask, don't tell", they go their separate ways on other issues. Of course, to most outside of the community (and certainly to many within it), these race, class, gender, ideology, etc. distinctions are trivial, if not invisible. Baby steps, I guess...</p> Remember Durbin, Abraham, and Webb? I think in the case of Macaca-Gate, South Asian money did have some impact on the race. That effort had no real organization behind it, however. I also realize that unlike the gay community (to an extent), South Asian Americans aren’t necessarily a voting block, but are rather voting “iceberg” (a term I like to forward). Still, some of the ideas that Gill has put into practice could work very well for other groups.

I guess your saying “(to an extent)” in quotes accommodates for the quibble I have with calling the “gay community” a voting bloc, but since you’re encouraging a South Asian analogy, and since I’m not sure what exceptions you had in mind, I thought I’d elaborate on the one I have in my mind:

I think the present-day queer community is also comprised of icebergs, one of which is TheGays (TM). TheGays (TM) are the queers that the mainstream audience knows best and assumes represent the rest of the queer community. In a sense, they are the queer parallel to the “model minority”. These guys are usually rich white men who are very, very, comfortable being rich and white and male in the ways that capitalism/materialism, white privilege, and binary male-female gender roles have always operated… except, of course, in their sexuality :)

TheGays (TM) iceberg is huge. It is powerful. I’m not saying it doesn’t do a lot of good for the queer community; it most certainly does, and that is why the rest of the queer community rallies around them, making it all look like one big, monolithic political (and even cultural) bloc. But ask a poor, genderqueer, Chican@ immigrant or a poor, gay, black sex worker only a few generations removed from slavery — or shit, even a poor white lesbian with dependents — what he/she/ze has in common with guys like Gill, and, apart from coming together against oppressive heteronormativity, I doubt any would be able to come up with much.

So while the entire community might be a one voting bloc on the legality of homosexuality, gay marriage, and “Don’t ask, don’t tell”, they go their separate ways on other issues. Of course, to most outside of the community (and certainly to many within it), these race, class, gender, ideology, etc. distinctions are trivial, if not invisible. Baby steps, I guess…

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By: Ardy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-118987 Ardy Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:09:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-118987 <blockquote>Aren't most of the influential ones wealthy Republican?</blockquote> <p>Unfortunately true. But the important word is 'wealthy' and thus 'influential'. I wonder, would I ever be rich in that case :-(</p> Aren’t most of the influential ones wealthy Republican?

Unfortunately true. But the important word is ‘wealthy’ and thus ‘influential’. I wonder, would I ever be rich in that case :-(

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-118986 Ennis Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:06:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-118986 <blockquote>I wonder how much the prevalence of the "DINK" (dual-income no-kids) lifestyle among gay couples helps create expendable income.</blockquote> <p>I heard that lesbians spend all their disposable income on potlucks, cats and herbal tea.</p> I wonder how much the prevalence of the “DINK” (dual-income no-kids) lifestyle among gay couples helps create expendable income.

I heard that lesbians spend all their disposable income on potlucks, cats and herbal tea.

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By: Kermadecer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-118984 Kermadecer Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:43:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-118984 <p>I know I'm not typical but I'm a man who with my male partner has been raising straight family members kids for eight years now - the adults concerned had their kids removed by social services. We've had up to seven at once! Disposable income? I WISH!</p> I know I’m not typical but I’m a man who with my male partner has been raising straight family members kids for eight years now – the adults concerned had their kids removed by social services. We’ve had up to seven at once! Disposable income? I WISH!

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By: Neale http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-118973 Neale Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:34:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-118973 <p>BTW..its <i>pah</i>rade. OK?</p> <p>I am always proud of how politically aware my gay friends are. It is not very common for a random sampling of American to discuss op-eds in the NY Times. Or the ownership of the Tribune group. Or build shrines to Maureen Dowd or give Frank Rich a bear rating. But, seriously, with opression comes the need to be on the look out. Its instinctive.</p> <p>What would South Asians rally around? Aren't most of the influential ones wealthy Republican? Looks like we have some house cleaning to do first.</p> BTW..its pahrade. OK?

I am always proud of how politically aware my gay friends are. It is not very common for a random sampling of American to discuss op-eds in the NY Times. Or the ownership of the Tribune group. Or build shrines to Maureen Dowd or give Frank Rich a bear rating. But, seriously, with opression comes the need to be on the look out. Its instinctive.

What would South Asians rally around? Aren’t most of the influential ones wealthy Republican? Looks like we have some house cleaning to do first.

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By: Sin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/18/the_gays_are_on/comment-page-1/#comment-118929 Sin Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:13:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4192#comment-118929 <blockquote>I wonder how much the prevalence of the "DINK" (dual-income no-kids) lifestyle among gay couples helps create expendable income.</blockquote> <p>Not as much as you'd think. Do you have ANY idea how expensive weekly orgies are to throw? ;)</p> <p>Toaster ovens, bah. Designer oven mitts and no-carb recipes are where it's at.</p> I wonder how much the prevalence of the “DINK” (dual-income no-kids) lifestyle among gay couples helps create expendable income.

Not as much as you’d think. Do you have ANY idea how expensive weekly orgies are to throw? ;)

Toaster ovens, bah. Designer oven mitts and no-carb recipes are where it’s at.

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