Comments on: Honest Injuns http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: diamond http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-268170 diamond Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:58:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-268170 <p><a href="http://www.diamondengagementringprincesscut.com">Sawasdee krub</a></p> <p>Exciting coz it my first post here. Anyway Cheer up, and continue visit.</p> <p>Thanks.</p> Sawasdee krub

Exciting coz it my first post here. Anyway Cheer up, and continue visit.

Thanks.

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By: Doordarshan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117783 Doordarshan Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:01:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117783 <blockquote>Osman is honest becouse islam is honest people...and he is a Muslim</blockquote> <p>Yeah right ahmed, so why then is muslim majority Bangladesh, where he from, among the most corrupt nations on earth? Why is no muslim nation found among the the top 20 least corrupt nations?</p> <p>http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2006</p> Osman is honest becouse islam is honest people…and he is a Muslim

Yeah right ahmed, so why then is muslim majority Bangladesh, where he from, among the most corrupt nations on earth? Why is no muslim nation found among the the top 20 least corrupt nations?

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2006

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By: Umang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117592 Umang Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:13:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117592 <p>I understand why the phrase "honest injun" was appropriate in the this context and I'm familiar with its non-deragotory use (and now history) but I view this as analogous to the confederate flag. Let me explain. The confederate flag did not start out as a symbol of racism but it was later hijacked by white supremacists as their own symbol. Today, the flag has different meanings to different people. It can simply be a symbol of American history or it can be a scary symbol of racism.</p> <p>The context is extremely important. If the confedarate flag is hanging in the American History Museum in DC, it's pretty clear that the context is non-offensive. If the flag is displayed on someone's car, it's ambiguous. So, when using symbols or phrases with multiple meanings, one walks a fine line that is dependent on making the context abundantly clear. Siddartha probably thought the context was abundantly clear. That said, even if the phrase "honest injun" has a neutral history, the word "injun" does not and for that reason it may be best to banish the phrase from use.</p> I understand why the phrase “honest injun” was appropriate in the this context and I’m familiar with its non-deragotory use (and now history) but I view this as analogous to the confederate flag. Let me explain. The confederate flag did not start out as a symbol of racism but it was later hijacked by white supremacists as their own symbol. Today, the flag has different meanings to different people. It can simply be a symbol of American history or it can be a scary symbol of racism.

The context is extremely important. If the confedarate flag is hanging in the American History Museum in DC, it’s pretty clear that the context is non-offensive. If the flag is displayed on someone’s car, it’s ambiguous. So, when using symbols or phrases with multiple meanings, one walks a fine line that is dependent on making the context abundantly clear. Siddartha probably thought the context was abundantly clear. That said, even if the phrase “honest injun” has a neutral history, the word “injun” does not and for that reason it may be best to banish the phrase from use.

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By: instant_karma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117578 instant_karma Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:57:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117578 <blockquote>Islam is honest people</blockquote> <p>ahmed thatz kinda sweeping statement innit?</p> Islam is honest people

ahmed thatz kinda sweeping statement innit?

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By: ahmed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117575 ahmed Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:49:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117575 <p>Osman is honest becouse islam is honest people...and he is a Muslim..God Save You Osman</p> Osman is honest becouse islam is honest people…and he is a Muslim..God Save You Osman

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117556 Manju Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:09:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117556 <blockquote> Manju's "offensive to the white majority" comment, don't make sense to me and I will leave it at that.</blockquote> <p>i read "honest injuns" as a statement on the attitude of the white majority, ie, subtle racism and condecension toward injuns masquerading as praise. in other words, it was a subtle derogitory jab at whites.</p> <p>of course, i only saw praise for an individual in the reporting, as the stereotype siddhartha refers to, is not applicable at all, as far as i know, to indian immigrants.</p> <p>i would like to praise siddhartha and shruti for being so "articulate", but i'm afraid they may take offense.</p> Manju’s “offensive to the white majority” comment, don’t make sense to me and I will leave it at that.

i read “honest injuns” as a statement on the attitude of the white majority, ie, subtle racism and condecension toward injuns masquerading as praise. in other words, it was a subtle derogitory jab at whites.

of course, i only saw praise for an individual in the reporting, as the stereotype siddhartha refers to, is not applicable at all, as far as i know, to indian immigrants.

i would like to praise siddhartha and shruti for being so “articulate”, but i’m afraid they may take offense.

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By: instant_karma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117552 instant_karma Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:56:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117552 <p>JayV plzzzz do not be extreme. you are not flogging a dead horse but one that's already buried!</p> JayV plzzzz do not be extreme. you are not flogging a dead horse but one that’s already buried!

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By: instant_karma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117551 instant_karma Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:53:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117551 <p>well simply put they are idiots. America is land of opportunity no? lolz</p> <p>itz like the idiot that catched the baseball that he cud sell for millions and ppl were saying the rite thing to do was give it back to the player. oh plzzzzz what stupidity. ppl need to make logical decisions wid their head as opposed to emotional decisons based on the heart. yes they get their 15mins but is it really worth it? hmmm i think noT.</p> well simply put they are idiots. America is land of opportunity no? lolz

itz like the idiot that catched the baseball that he cud sell for millions and ppl were saying the rite thing to do was give it back to the player. oh plzzzzz what stupidity. ppl need to make logical decisions wid their head as opposed to emotional decisons based on the heart. yes they get their 15mins but is it really worth it? hmmm i think noT.

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By: JayV http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117543 JayV Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:23:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117543 <p>Siddhartha:</p> <p>In Shruti's words, that you endorse, "The use of the term "honest Injun" in the title prompts a comparison with the historical use of that term". If you wanted to lead with offensive expressions, I think the term "mighty white of him" would have worked much better. Lets face it. The article was about a Bangladeshi cabbie (not withstanding your efforts to put the Indian cabbie into the story) and the story is about a non-white, who did the right thing.</p> <p>Divya's "Political correctness for the sake of political correctness is a hundred times worse than any imagined insult to any community, imo." comment and Manju's "offensive to the white majority" comment, don't make sense to me and I will leave it at that.</p> <p>Not to flog a dead horse (too late!), but in my opinion, leading the article by using terms that others found offensive did distract your readers. Then that became the story. The current WaPo.com, William Arkin <a href="http://snipurl.com/19ydk">"mercenary"</a> brouhaha comes to mind. In this case, I assume that is not what you wanted. That was my point.</p> Siddhartha:

In Shruti’s words, that you endorse, “The use of the term “honest Injun” in the title prompts a comparison with the historical use of that term”. If you wanted to lead with offensive expressions, I think the term “mighty white of him” would have worked much better. Lets face it. The article was about a Bangladeshi cabbie (not withstanding your efforts to put the Indian cabbie into the story) and the story is about a non-white, who did the right thing.

Divya’s “Political correctness for the sake of political correctness is a hundred times worse than any imagined insult to any community, imo.” comment and Manju’s “offensive to the white majority” comment, don’t make sense to me and I will leave it at that.

Not to flog a dead horse (too late!), but in my opinion, leading the article by using terms that others found offensive did distract your readers. Then that became the story. The current WaPo.com, William Arkin “mercenary” brouhaha comes to mind. In this case, I assume that is not what you wanted. That was my point.

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By: Saiful http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/09/honest_injuns/comment-page-2/#comment-117540 Saiful Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:52:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4170#comment-117540 <p>I wish that Osman Chowdhury will be back to his native country, and carry on hi activities and seat in the parliament for the next election. Bangladesh desperately needs people like Osman in the Nation-Shangshad and in the PMÂ’s cabinet.</p> I wish that Osman Chowdhury will be back to his native country, and carry on hi activities and seat in the parliament for the next election. Bangladesh desperately needs people like Osman in the Nation-Shangshad and in the PMÂ’s cabinet.

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