Comments on: Desis and Philanthropy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: FARZANA YASMIN http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-243246 FARZANA YASMIN Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:39:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-243246 <p>TO, Honourable Sir/Madam, With due respect, I Submit few lines for your kind consideration. I Have come to know through reliable<br /> that you are devoted service for the well being of human rights. I Have poor family my children are going his school and college. If you would not help us then Education will remain incompletely. Incidentally I may Submit that I Have a large . poor family . Therefore there is nofinancial support for me.please financial help me ,I will not only be a great relief to a poor family but will also be a great act of charity on your honour part. I am waiting your favourable reply. I Respect you please help mefor purpose of this letter and not disappoint me. With best regards. Your faithfully Mrs farzana yasmin c/o Khursheed Alam E-158A Satellite town Rawalpindi(Pakistan) Harrisalam333@hotmail.com</p> TO, Honourable Sir/Madam, With due respect, I Submit few lines for your kind consideration. I Have come to know through reliable
that you are devoted service for the well being of human rights. I Have poor family my children are going his school and college. If you would not help us then Education will remain incompletely. Incidentally I may Submit that I Have a large . poor family . Therefore there is nofinancial support for me.please financial help me ,I will not only be a great relief to a poor family but will also be a great act of charity on your honour part. I am waiting your favourable reply. I Respect you please help mefor purpose of this letter and not disappoint me. With best regards. Your faithfully Mrs farzana yasmin c/o Khursheed Alam E-158A Satellite town Rawalpindi(Pakistan) Harrisalam333@hotmail.com

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By: instant_karma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117517 instant_karma Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:11:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117517 <p><b>louiecypher</b></p> <blockquote>Here is Doordarshan in a nutshell: 1) Indians code worse than lemurs on crack ! 2) Dosa is just bad injera bread ! 3) Guess why you never see Indian twins ? Because they are so rapacious that one cannibalizes the other in the womb ! Especially the nefarious Hindoos ! 4) Bhangra is just poorly executed Nubo-Cushitic line dancing ! 5) The miserable state of the Indian "po-po" demonstrates the abject failure of the Govt. of India ! My guess is hate....</blockquote> <p>for a few mins there i thougt u were Doordarshan <strong>confused</strong></p> louiecypher

Here is Doordarshan in a nutshell: 1) Indians code worse than lemurs on crack ! 2) Dosa is just bad injera bread ! 3) Guess why you never see Indian twins ? Because they are so rapacious that one cannibalizes the other in the womb ! Especially the nefarious Hindoos ! 4) Bhangra is just poorly executed Nubo-Cushitic line dancing ! 5) The miserable state of the Indian “po-po” demonstrates the abject failure of the Govt. of India ! My guess is hate….

for a few mins there i thougt u were Doordarshan confused

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By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117495 Jai Singh Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:49:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117495 <p><b>Amitabh,</b></p> <blockquote>Doordarshan, it would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India. Because it's hard to tell. </blockquote> <p>I agree. It's difficult to tell whether his attitudes are motivated by a genuine desire to promote an honest, objective and balanced view about India and Indians in general (including those in the diaspora), and if he's therefore taken a stance of continuous Devil's Advocate rhetoric in order to attack misplaced pride and jingoism -- or if he just has a huge inferiority complex about being Indian, especially compared to black people.</p> <p>I'd actually have a lot of respect for him if it's the former (even though I don't agree with many of his views). If it's the latter, however, then it's a completely different matter.</p> <p>I do hope it's the first option, because at least in that case his intentions would be admirable and sincere.</p> Amitabh,

Doordarshan, it would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India. Because it’s hard to tell.

I agree. It’s difficult to tell whether his attitudes are motivated by a genuine desire to promote an honest, objective and balanced view about India and Indians in general (including those in the diaspora), and if he’s therefore taken a stance of continuous Devil’s Advocate rhetoric in order to attack misplaced pride and jingoism — or if he just has a huge inferiority complex about being Indian, especially compared to black people.

I’d actually have a lot of respect for him if it’s the former (even though I don’t agree with many of his views). If it’s the latter, however, then it’s a completely different matter.

I do hope it’s the first option, because at least in that case his intentions would be admirable and sincere.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117479 louiecypher Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:54:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117479 <blockquote>Doordarshan, it would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India. </blockquote> <p>Here is Doordarshan in a nutshell: 1) Indians code worse than lemurs on crack ! 2) Dosa is just bad injera bread ! 3) Guess why you never see Indian twins ? Because they are so rapacious that one cannibalizes the other in the womb ! Especially the nefarious Hindoos ! 4) Bhangra is just poorly executed Nubo-Cushitic line dancing ! 5) The miserable state of the Indian "po-po" demonstrates the abject failure of the Govt. of India !</p> <p>My guess is hate....</p> Doordarshan, it would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India.

Here is Doordarshan in a nutshell: 1) Indians code worse than lemurs on crack ! 2) Dosa is just bad injera bread ! 3) Guess why you never see Indian twins ? Because they are so rapacious that one cannibalizes the other in the womb ! Especially the nefarious Hindoos ! 4) Bhangra is just poorly executed Nubo-Cushitic line dancing ! 5) The miserable state of the Indian “po-po” demonstrates the abject failure of the Govt. of India !

My guess is hate….

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By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117469 Amrita Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:54:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117469 <blockquote>Do you guys know what you are talking about, tax deductible giving is prevalant in all parts of the world as is charitable giving per se.</blockquote> <p>It is, but I'm not sure where it started in the form that we are familiar with nowadays, that covers many kinds of institutional donations, and can be deducted upto a certain percentage of one's taxable income. I just read that amendments to the 1917 Revenue Tax Act started things here in America. Giving tithe, i.e., making charitable donations according to religious requirements, is ancient, as is donating money to build and maintain houses of worship and funding religion based charity work. I don't mean this is in any way more important than the social conventions and a temperament of generosity and practices of giving that may be present outside that context, and I do have a sense that giving is more prevalent in India at a personal and familial level as well as being widely practiced institutionally.</p> Do you guys know what you are talking about, tax deductible giving is prevalant in all parts of the world as is charitable giving per se.

It is, but I’m not sure where it started in the form that we are familiar with nowadays, that covers many kinds of institutional donations, and can be deducted upto a certain percentage of one’s taxable income. I just read that amendments to the 1917 Revenue Tax Act started things here in America. Giving tithe, i.e., making charitable donations according to religious requirements, is ancient, as is donating money to build and maintain houses of worship and funding religion based charity work. I don’t mean this is in any way more important than the social conventions and a temperament of generosity and practices of giving that may be present outside that context, and I do have a sense that giving is more prevalent in India at a personal and familial level as well as being widely practiced institutionally.

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By: sakshi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117441 sakshi Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:57:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117441 <p>Ladies and gentlemen, we have our first Nazi reference. And in what context!</p> Ladies and gentlemen, we have our first Nazi reference. And in what context!

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By: Mephisto http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117440 Mephisto Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:51:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117440 <pre><code>"It would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India." </code></pre> <p>Perhaps deepest patriotism can only become the most bitter contempt and hatred when the object of one's devotion (one's country) is revealed to be heinous and debased in its very core. In this case, one can only hate the present manifestation of this hideous embodiment, while working towards and fervently hoping for improvement, or if this is not possible, then wishing utter destruction rain upon the country. Think of the position of true German patriots such as Thomas Mann while Germany was under the National Socialists.</p> "It would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India."

Perhaps deepest patriotism can only become the most bitter contempt and hatred when the object of one’s devotion (one’s country) is revealed to be heinous and debased in its very core. In this case, one can only hate the present manifestation of this hideous embodiment, while working towards and fervently hoping for improvement, or if this is not possible, then wishing utter destruction rain upon the country. Think of the position of true German patriots such as Thomas Mann while Germany was under the National Socialists.

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By: Amitabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117416 Amitabh Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:45:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117416 <p>Doordarshan, it would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India. Because it's hard to tell. That being said, I agree I am not qualified to talk about this issue further.</p> Doordarshan, it would be easier to discuss things with you if I knew whether your passion springs from love for India or hatred for India. Because it’s hard to tell. That being said, I agree I am not qualified to talk about this issue further.

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By: Doordarshan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117401 Doordarshan Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:07:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117401 <p>Its just amazing to see the majority of posters here congratulating indians on their compassion and charity! This is just another sad example of the denial and delusion desis are so prone to.</p> <p>The facts on the ground condemn indians as among the most heartless, callous, selfish, uncharitable people on earth: India leads the world in child hunger, child labor, child prostitution, child marriage, beggary, homelessness, human degradation etc. How do you all manage to overlook these facts that expose hindus as the least charitable and least compassionate of all peoples? A few exceptions, such as Sathya Sai Baba et al, do not change the general rule.</p> <blockquote>In India the material deprivation is more extreme, and exploitation also; but the family system, sense of identity, and cultural moorings are more intact. Psychologically they are possibly better off than the worst of inner-city American poor.</blockquote> <p>The american poor aren't starving. The worst american slums have running water, indoor flush toilets, reliable electricity, well-stocked refrigerators, and so on. Something that even the middle-class of India (who are a minority of Indians) can only fantasize about.It is really obscene to compare the "psychological" state of the american poor with that of the hungry masses of India.</p> <blockquote>In India the material deprivation is more extreme, and exploitation also; but the family system, sense of identity, and cultural moorings are more intact. Psychologically they are possibly better off than the worst of inner-city American poor. </blockquote> <p>By what twisted reasoning do you consider the pain of chronic hunger in India "better" than the "psychological" pain of the well-fed, clothed and housed american poor? Food and water are the most fundamental of human requirements for survival. And hindu majority India is the most egregious violator on the planet of this most basic human right.</p> Its just amazing to see the majority of posters here congratulating indians on their compassion and charity! This is just another sad example of the denial and delusion desis are so prone to.

The facts on the ground condemn indians as among the most heartless, callous, selfish, uncharitable people on earth: India leads the world in child hunger, child labor, child prostitution, child marriage, beggary, homelessness, human degradation etc. How do you all manage to overlook these facts that expose hindus as the least charitable and least compassionate of all peoples? A few exceptions, such as Sathya Sai Baba et al, do not change the general rule.

In India the material deprivation is more extreme, and exploitation also; but the family system, sense of identity, and cultural moorings are more intact. Psychologically they are possibly better off than the worst of inner-city American poor.

The american poor aren’t starving. The worst american slums have running water, indoor flush toilets, reliable electricity, well-stocked refrigerators, and so on. Something that even the middle-class of India (who are a minority of Indians) can only fantasize about.It is really obscene to compare the “psychological” state of the american poor with that of the hungry masses of India.

In India the material deprivation is more extreme, and exploitation also; but the family system, sense of identity, and cultural moorings are more intact. Psychologically they are possibly better off than the worst of inner-city American poor.

By what twisted reasoning do you consider the pain of chronic hunger in India “better” than the “psychological” pain of the well-fed, clothed and housed american poor? Food and water are the most fundamental of human requirements for survival. And hindu majority India is the most egregious violator on the planet of this most basic human right.

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By: Charitable http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/08/desis_and_phila/comment-page-3/#comment-117379 Charitable Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:12:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4168#comment-117379 <p>I think Amitabh if there is a history of unfounded assumptions without any factual backing, the assertor should step back and listen to othes who may know. Making overtly sweeping generalizations leads to a flame war, and the debate is totally debased. I don't comment much on SM but I regularly read it to know how most discussions here take a different turn. I am not sure you are qualified to make statements about Indian poor as you say you say yourself, you have not been in their shoes.</p> I think Amitabh if there is a history of unfounded assumptions without any factual backing, the assertor should step back and listen to othes who may know. Making overtly sweeping generalizations leads to a flame war, and the debate is totally debased. I don’t comment much on SM but I regularly read it to know how most discussions here take a different turn. I am not sure you are qualified to make statements about Indian poor as you say you say yourself, you have not been in their shoes.

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