Comments on: Transparency, Indian Consulate Style http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Shiv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-119267 Shiv Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:17:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-119267 <p>Subhadeep</p> <p>And do you know why we Indians are treated like that – it’s not because of our brown skin or our accent – it’s because we do not tell the truth. There maybe a lot of money pouring into India but culturally we have gone bankrupt. We spend all our time trying to be someone we are not. We ape the West, we copy most of their movies at bollywood, today all our hindi hits are mixed with English words and scantily clad whores dancing around, we prefer being seen in the local McDonald or another western fast food joint and if we meet a fellow Indian on the streets of Delhi, we do not want to put our cards on the table. We are so used to not giving a straight answer that it’s become our nature to act shady. People from the West find this irritating and if this American does not treat you with respect it is because 90 % of the visa applicants he sees daily do not give him a straight answer. And this is how other European Embassies look at us too.</p> Subhadeep

And do you know why we Indians are treated like that – it’s not because of our brown skin or our accent – it’s because we do not tell the truth. There maybe a lot of money pouring into India but culturally we have gone bankrupt. We spend all our time trying to be someone we are not. We ape the West, we copy most of their movies at bollywood, today all our hindi hits are mixed with English words and scantily clad whores dancing around, we prefer being seen in the local McDonald or another western fast food joint and if we meet a fellow Indian on the streets of Delhi, we do not want to put our cards on the table. We are so used to not giving a straight answer that it’s become our nature to act shady. People from the West find this irritating and if this American does not treat you with respect it is because 90 % of the visa applicants he sees daily do not give him a straight answer. And this is how other European Embassies look at us too.

]]> By: Subhadeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-118980 Subhadeep Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:39:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-118980 <p>Have any of you whiners ever spent a whole day at any of the US Consulates in India? Have you experienced the humiliation meted out by boorish consular 'officers' to students, business travellers, old couples waiting for months for that appointment to visit their children in your country? Have you ever experienced what it feels like to leave every shred of dignity behind and be barked at by jerks who think it's their divine right as Americans to be as rude, insensitive and obnoxious as possible? Maybe you should make that effort, take some feedback from the thousands of visa applicants to your nation's consulates. Maybe then comments like "We are not in INDIA" can be put into some perspective.</p> Have any of you whiners ever spent a whole day at any of the US Consulates in India? Have you experienced the humiliation meted out by boorish consular ‘officers’ to students, business travellers, old couples waiting for months for that appointment to visit their children in your country? Have you ever experienced what it feels like to leave every shred of dignity behind and be barked at by jerks who think it’s their divine right as Americans to be as rude, insensitive and obnoxious as possible? Maybe you should make that effort, take some feedback from the thousands of visa applicants to your nation’s consulates. Maybe then comments like “We are not in INDIA” can be put into some perspective.

]]> By: Vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-117359 Vivek Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:29:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-117359 <p>So much BS! So many desi - and all so indignant. 1. You are the losers who immigrated to india - like rats from what you considered a sinking ship. ( Oh what delicious irony that your jobs.. hmm.. java.. database... oracle..) will come to india.. and you will be left in US with your green card :)</p> <ol> <li><p>Most of your data is freely available. Check out Zabasearch.com. Not just your current address, but you last 10 years worth of addresses are there, so is your birthdate etc.</p></li> <li><p>Hmm. Hope you equally mad when choicepoint (and fidelity, and citibank) all had data leaks. Oh, I am sorry, you did not did you. So I guess you get mad only with Indian officials 'cos you feel you are better. In the US - you are like scared, second class puppies. You kiss the immigration officer's feet - and keep to yourself!</p></li> </ol> So much BS! So many desi – and all so indignant. 1. You are the losers who immigrated to india – like rats from what you considered a sinking ship. ( Oh what delicious irony that your jobs.. hmm.. java.. database… oracle..) will come to india.. and you will be left in US with your green card :)

  1. Most of your data is freely available. Check out Zabasearch.com. Not just your current address, but you last 10 years worth of addresses are there, so is your birthdate etc.

  2. Hmm. Hope you equally mad when choicepoint (and fidelity, and citibank) all had data leaks. Oh, I am sorry, you did not did you. So I guess you get mad only with Indian officials ‘cos you feel you are better. In the US – you are like scared, second class puppies. You kiss the immigration officer’s feet – and keep to yourself!

]]> By: DP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116604 DP Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:59:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116604 <p>"The man behind the desk stamped them, and handed them back with a broad smile, saying "Welcome back, ladies"</p> <p>And thats what happens to us whenever we return to the US most of the time in Los Angeles with our US Passports. On the other hand I have to travel to India on business twice a year and every time I am about to land in Delhi, I tense up with the feeling that anything can happen at the immigration desk - you never know what the babu with the finger up his nose constantly looking at you and back to the passport photo and back to you might be conjuring up. I have experienced many instances where they have tried a shake down both while entering and happily leaving but when I shout back at them in english, they back off. But I have seen Indian workers coming back home from the middle east always get the third degree. With a US passport, even a brown will be met with a smile and a "Welcome Home" but not in India!!</p> “The man behind the desk stamped them, and handed them back with a broad smile, saying “Welcome back, ladies”

And thats what happens to us whenever we return to the US most of the time in Los Angeles with our US Passports. On the other hand I have to travel to India on business twice a year and every time I am about to land in Delhi, I tense up with the feeling that anything can happen at the immigration desk – you never know what the babu with the finger up his nose constantly looking at you and back to the passport photo and back to you might be conjuring up. I have experienced many instances where they have tried a shake down both while entering and happily leaving but when I shout back at them in english, they back off. But I have seen Indian workers coming back home from the middle east always get the third degree. With a US passport, even a brown will be met with a smile and a “Welcome Home” but not in India!!

]]> By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116408 Samir Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:25:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116408 <blockquote> We are not in INDIA</blockquote> <p>Technically embassies and consulates are in India. An US embassy and consulate in India is US soil. So they are governed by their laws. India does not have any privacy legislation, so they can legally dispose any thing including SSN.</p> We are not in INDIA

Technically embassies and consulates are in India. An US embassy and consulate in India is US soil. So they are governed by their laws. India does not have any privacy legislation, so they can legally dispose any thing including SSN.

]]> By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116406 siddhartha Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:06:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116406 <blockquote>Funny how Sid "third world" dhartha aint gotz no prawblem writing "rich" put downs of Indians (sourced from anti-third world mercenaries like the author of the sourced article) but when it comes to Africa or African-American hip-hop, the man gets too emotional to even countenance a critical discsussion! Oh be wary of the dealers in double standards.</blockquote> <p>Come and say that to my face, you cowardly, illiterate troll.</p> Funny how Sid “third world” dhartha aint gotz no prawblem writing “rich” put downs of Indians (sourced from anti-third world mercenaries like the author of the sourced article) but when it comes to Africa or African-American hip-hop, the man gets too emotional to even countenance a critical discsussion! Oh be wary of the dealers in double standards.

Come and say that to my face, you cowardly, illiterate troll.

]]> By: inside the beltway http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116404 inside the beltway Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:16:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116404 <p>"And I learned that if you want to feel like a celeb, take a small pet in carrier with you around the airport and in your aircraft cabin, and you'll be the centre of attention." The U.S. still has pretty lenient laws about animal entry, at least of pet type animals. However, England has draconian animal-entry laws. There was a famous case of 60s a film star, Francois Dorleac (her more famous sister is Catherine Deneuve) whose little dog was DESTROYED when she tried to sneak it through Heathrow. Granted, she shouldn't have been sneaking, but the poor pup shouldn't have had to die. I don't understand why the dog was not just quarantined per the law. But apparently, if you tried to sneak an animal, they would destroy it. Very unexpected for such a canophilic country.</p> “And I learned that if you want to feel like a celeb, take a small pet in carrier with you around the airport and in your aircraft cabin, and you’ll be the centre of attention.” The U.S. still has pretty lenient laws about animal entry, at least of pet type animals. However, England has draconian animal-entry laws. There was a famous case of 60s a film star, Francois Dorleac (her more famous sister is Catherine Deneuve) whose little dog was DESTROYED when she tried to sneak it through Heathrow. Granted, she shouldn’t have been sneaking, but the poor pup shouldn’t have had to die. I don’t understand why the dog was not just quarantined per the law. But apparently, if you tried to sneak an animal, they would destroy it. Very unexpected for such a canophilic country.

]]> By: Naiverealist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116401 Naiverealist Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:17:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116401 <p>Thanks, Amrita for the link. The way things are going, India will go through similar experiences (like the US) in the spheres of economy, work-family balance, corporate governance etc. And India being the repository of all possible problems in the world, US can learn a thing or two in reconciling the melting pot/salad bowl, Spanish/English (a miniscule problem compared to India's language problems) debates.</p> Thanks, Amrita for the link. The way things are going, India will go through similar experiences (like the US) in the spheres of economy, work-family balance, corporate governance etc. And India being the repository of all possible problems in the world, US can learn a thing or two in reconciling the melting pot/salad bowl, Spanish/English (a miniscule problem compared to India’s language problems) debates.

]]> By: Amrita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116382 Amrita Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:19:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116382 <blockquote>Coming back to the alarming news - yeah it is pretty scary for an economy which runs on credit cards, where patriotism is sometimes linked to 'buy, buy, buy'. But what the hell, much identifiable information is likely to be in the hard discs of the e-waste dumped into India.</blockquote> <p>Naiverealist, I just saw <a href="http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/AJG090bbFaQzg4/Indian-Cybercrime-Unit-Fighting-to-Keep-Your-Data-Safe.xhtml">this piece</a> on data security in India. It's a start, but like the proffered reason for Alberto Gonzalez v. Google, they're mostly investigating porn a yet...</p> Coming back to the alarming news – yeah it is pretty scary for an economy which runs on credit cards, where patriotism is sometimes linked to ‘buy, buy, buy’. But what the hell, much identifiable information is likely to be in the hard discs of the e-waste dumped into India.

Naiverealist, I just saw this piece on data security in India. It’s a start, but like the proffered reason for Alberto Gonzalez v. Google, they’re mostly investigating porn a yet…

]]> By: mudslide http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/02/transparency_in/comment-page-2/#comment-116333 mudslide Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:33:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4156#comment-116333 <p>Funny how Sid "third world" dhartha aint gotz no prawblem writing "rich" put downs of Indians (sourced from anti-third world mercenaries like the author of the sourced article) but when it comes to Africa or African-American hip-hop, the man gets too emotional to even countenance a critical discsussion! Oh be wary of the dealers in double standards.</p> Funny how Sid “third world” dhartha aint gotz no prawblem writing “rich” put downs of Indians (sourced from anti-third world mercenaries like the author of the sourced article) but when it comes to Africa or African-American hip-hop, the man gets too emotional to even countenance a critical discsussion! Oh be wary of the dealers in double standards.

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