Comments on: London Brawling: Another Round in the British Identity Debate http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: samuel welsh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-247567 samuel welsh Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:49:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-247567 <p>We should be able to have a globally connected society surly racism should be benath eithical people.</p> We should be able to have a globally connected society surly racism should be benath eithical people.

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By: shasha0110 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116502 shasha0110 Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:42:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116502 <p>exceptionally , this whole issue of racism has blown out of proportion. i have never seen the word paki used as much as i have never seen such dedicated discussion on racism(indians, indian-muslims, hmm, paki ( rnt they muslims 2? jus not indians heh?))..all in the heat of actress making it big in a non-2-realistic show. if racism was so obvious and evident in western countries, i wonder if it the same in south east asia countries where there are quite a huge number of indians/indian-muslims/paki's?</p> exceptionally , this whole issue of racism has blown out of proportion. i have never seen the word paki used as much as i have never seen such dedicated discussion on racism(indians, indian-muslims, hmm, paki ( rnt they muslims 2? jus not indians heh?))..all in the heat of actress making it big in a non-2-realistic show. if racism was so obvious and evident in western countries, i wonder if it the same in south east asia countries where there are quite a huge number of indians/indian-muslims/paki’s?

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By: Julian in London http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116485 Julian in London Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:48:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116485 <p>In England the debate has really heated up, i am 15 and go to school in london and tensions between groups couldnt be higher. The lady who made the poll it is interesting to know was a muslim and she is leading the way in the fight against multi-culturalism which clearly isnt working in Britain. Every culture lives in its own place and things couldnt be more segregated. I really thing multi-culturalism will collapse soon as it is too dangerous for us Britons to have people in our borders who are willingly blowing themselves up. It is a shame but multi-culturalism isnt practical, no culture wants to interact with any other. Sure, there are people like me that would like to see a sucessful multi-culturalism but like economic communism-its a beautiful theory but and ugly reality...</p> In England the debate has really heated up, i am 15 and go to school in london and tensions between groups couldnt be higher. The lady who made the poll it is interesting to know was a muslim and she is leading the way in the fight against multi-culturalism which clearly isnt working in Britain. Every culture lives in its own place and things couldnt be more segregated. I really thing multi-culturalism will collapse soon as it is too dangerous for us Britons to have people in our borders who are willingly blowing themselves up. It is a shame but multi-culturalism isnt practical, no culture wants to interact with any other. Sure, there are people like me that would like to see a sucessful multi-culturalism but like economic communism-its a beautiful theory but and ugly reality…

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By: Samjay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116440 Samjay Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:30:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116440 <p>namitabh bachchan</p> <p>BNP is most certainly a white trash party, you may find the exceptions, but it is never the less nothing but a party for white peopel that feel they are worse off than the immigrants. My point was basically that racism in continental Europe is much more prevalent in the establisment than it is in UK or US.</p> namitabh bachchan

BNP is most certainly a white trash party, you may find the exceptions, but it is never the less nothing but a party for white peopel that feel they are worse off than the immigrants. My point was basically that racism in continental Europe is much more prevalent in the establisment than it is in UK or US.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116300 louiecypher Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:30:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116300 <p>One question I have after reading the paper is whether or not the Muslims who were polled understood Shariat to be the same thing. I know how Anjem Chaudhry defines it...but could it be that this 37% is looking for shariat law for civil matters within their community (ala India)? I don't think we are doing enough to accomodate these youth. Why not complement hundreds of years of accumulated English case law with "nerf shariat". Here's how it works: a) Get caught "nicking" bling at Argos ? Nerf scimitar to the hand in front of the whole housing estate. Perp walks away intact with bruised ego and lesson learned b) Tarting it up for "school dress" night at the pub ? Nerf stoning..</p> <p>Amitav Kumar writes openly about his nominal conversion and seems to be thriving. What this shows is that nods to tradition go a long way to healing the rift.</p> One question I have after reading the paper is whether or not the Muslims who were polled understood Shariat to be the same thing. I know how Anjem Chaudhry defines it…but could it be that this 37% is looking for shariat law for civil matters within their community (ala India)? I don’t think we are doing enough to accomodate these youth. Why not complement hundreds of years of accumulated English case law with “nerf shariat”. Here’s how it works: a) Get caught “nicking” bling at Argos ? Nerf scimitar to the hand in front of the whole housing estate. Perp walks away intact with bruised ego and lesson learned b) Tarting it up for “school dress” night at the pub ? Nerf stoning..

Amitav Kumar writes openly about his nominal conversion and seems to be thriving. What this shows is that nods to tradition go a long way to healing the rift.

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By: Ron Amos http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116288 Ron Amos Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:10:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116288 <p>I think race and national identity are huge red herrings, as the internet has expanded more rapidly, more deeply into Global Culture the boundaries that identify national identity have slipped, blended and evaporated into a kind of a global mismash, the same way that racial and religious identity evaporates in the countries that accept immigrants from other nations, races and religions.</p> <p>I myself am of mixed race, at least three of the many colors and hues of my ancestors from various places, ancestors who had myriad different religions, cultural identities and places of national origin. In the first few generations of new immigration the old folks try to fit in and the second generation try to reach back to their roots in the romantized old country but by<br /> the third and fourth generations intermariage and other forms of integration occur that befuddle all predictions and expectations of previous generations.</p> I think race and national identity are huge red herrings, as the internet has expanded more rapidly, more deeply into Global Culture the boundaries that identify national identity have slipped, blended and evaporated into a kind of a global mismash, the same way that racial and religious identity evaporates in the countries that accept immigrants from other nations, races and religions.

I myself am of mixed race, at least three of the many colors and hues of my ancestors from various places, ancestors who had myriad different religions, cultural identities and places of national origin. In the first few generations of new immigration the old folks try to fit in and the second generation try to reach back to their roots in the romantized old country but by
the third and fourth generations intermariage and other forms of integration occur that befuddle all predictions and expectations of previous generations.

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By: louiecypher http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116274 louiecypher Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:14:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116274 <p>Fear gave way to relief when the authors of the report explained that the 37% of youth that prefers sharia does not constitute a majority. Whew ! I fault my public schooling (that's govt. school for you Brits) for making me susceptible to cynical right wingers who might exploit my lack of numeracy.</p> <p>Fight or flight G.I. tract clenching subsiding...gullet opening to receive 4th Hostess coffee cake of the day</p> Fear gave way to relief when the authors of the report explained that the 37% of youth that prefers sharia does not constitute a majority. Whew ! I fault my public schooling (that’s govt. school for you Brits) for making me susceptible to cynical right wingers who might exploit my lack of numeracy.

Fight or flight G.I. tract clenching subsiding…gullet opening to receive 4th Hostess coffee cake of the day

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By: Carribbean Queen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-2/#comment-116198 Carribbean Queen Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:01:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116198 <p>If a minority group finds itself "forced" to learn a new language, whatever that language be, I say all the more better.</p> <p>Personally I think Spanish should be mandatory in all American public schools, especially in the Mexican border states.</p> <p>Knowing more than one language can only help us, not harm us. Many Europeans and Asians know more than one language, oftentimes several. That can only be a factor of enrichment in their lives and open up many more oppurtunities for them - both personal and professional.</p> <p>As far as Surinami Indians being "different" from Indians from India, I would say that in general the born and raised in Carribbean areas, though keeping much of Indian culture in tact, also have the added advantage of being born and raised in countries with alot of afro-carib culture around them, which results in a much more laid back, relaxed, non-anal-retentive vibe. Like George Clinton said, "free your mind and your ass will follow".</p> <p>Rigidity cannot survive amongst black people. When you are with them, you have to keep it real.</p> If a minority group finds itself “forced” to learn a new language, whatever that language be, I say all the more better.

Personally I think Spanish should be mandatory in all American public schools, especially in the Mexican border states.

Knowing more than one language can only help us, not harm us. Many Europeans and Asians know more than one language, oftentimes several. That can only be a factor of enrichment in their lives and open up many more oppurtunities for them – both personal and professional.

As far as Surinami Indians being “different” from Indians from India, I would say that in general the born and raised in Carribbean areas, though keeping much of Indian culture in tact, also have the added advantage of being born and raised in countries with alot of afro-carib culture around them, which results in a much more laid back, relaxed, non-anal-retentive vibe. Like George Clinton said, “free your mind and your ass will follow”.

Rigidity cannot survive amongst black people. When you are with them, you have to keep it real.

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By: nypd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-1/#comment-116196 nypd Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:54:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116196 <p>At the same</p> At the same

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By: bidi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/02/01/london_brawling/comment-page-1/#comment-116194 bidi Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:46:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4155#comment-116194 <p>Gaszi,</p> <p>So I've abstained for a bit and to be honest I feel similarly to Abhi, there are some comments above that are incredibly ignorant. But, let me respond to your first question: "Are you suggesting native English should start speaking Urdu?". I stand by the assumption that a majority group is always willing to inflict assimilation on a minority group. That majority group can be of any color. I have yet to see proof that a majority group can understand and continuously think of the minority as they will themselves. Cultural superiority is always cultivated and perpetuated. =/ So to be short about it. If there were three English speakers randomly living among 100-some Urdu speakers...yeah, they would all be forced to learn Urdu.</p> Gaszi,

So I’ve abstained for a bit and to be honest I feel similarly to Abhi, there are some comments above that are incredibly ignorant. But, let me respond to your first question: “Are you suggesting native English should start speaking Urdu?”. I stand by the assumption that a majority group is always willing to inflict assimilation on a minority group. That majority group can be of any color. I have yet to see proof that a majority group can understand and continuously think of the minority as they will themselves. Cultural superiority is always cultivated and perpetuated. =/ So to be short about it. If there were three English speakers randomly living among 100-some Urdu speakers…yeah, they would all be forced to learn Urdu.

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