Comments on: It’s Actually Not That Racist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116289 Jai Singh Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:26:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116289 <p>Folks,</p> <p>I may be about to repeat what some other commenters have perhaps said, but here's my 5 cents anyway since this thread is about Britain:</p> <ol> <li>"Gora" is not an expletive and is not equivalent to "Paki". It's a direct, albeit slang, translation of the description "white people", and is not a swear word in itself. It's frequently used in a neutral sense, in the same way that "Kale" (or "Kale log") is a direct translation of "Black people". Of course, both <i>can </i>be used in a derisive, insulting manner, and they often are. But not all or even most of the time.</li> </ol> <p>However.....</p> <ol> <li>In Britain, "Paki" IS the equivalent to "nigger", in both its offensiveness and its intent. Especially when you bear in mind the colonial history that the UK has with both ethnic groups, along with the associate racism stretching back centuries.</li> </ol> <blockquote>I am constantly amazed by some of the contributions on this blog, the blind witlessness, the clueless disconnect with real lived experience, the smug assumptions and extrapolations, it wavers between hilarious and unbelievable.</blockquote> <p>I agree completely with <b>Red Snapper's </b>observation and have made similar remarks a number of times recently -- speaking generally, not necessarily specifically in relation to this thread. But there is a marked, noticeable pattern of behaviour in some quarters of this blog's commenting population. The most pronounced examples are some of the reactions to the Shilpa Shetty affair, although it's happened on several other topics too.</p> Folks,

I may be about to repeat what some other commenters have perhaps said, but here’s my 5 cents anyway since this thread is about Britain:

  1. “Gora” is not an expletive and is not equivalent to “Paki”. It’s a direct, albeit slang, translation of the description “white people”, and is not a swear word in itself. It’s frequently used in a neutral sense, in the same way that “Kale” (or “Kale log”) is a direct translation of “Black people”. Of course, both can be used in a derisive, insulting manner, and they often are. But not all or even most of the time.

However…..

  1. In Britain, “Paki” IS the equivalent to “nigger”, in both its offensiveness and its intent. Especially when you bear in mind the colonial history that the UK has with both ethnic groups, along with the associate racism stretching back centuries.
I am constantly amazed by some of the contributions on this blog, the blind witlessness, the clueless disconnect with real lived experience, the smug assumptions and extrapolations, it wavers between hilarious and unbelievable.

I agree completely with Red Snapper’s observation and have made similar remarks a number of times recently — speaking generally, not necessarily specifically in relation to this thread. But there is a marked, noticeable pattern of behaviour in some quarters of this blog’s commenting population. The most pronounced examples are some of the reactions to the Shilpa Shetty affair, although it’s happened on several other topics too.

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By: Ziyarat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116267 Ziyarat Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:30:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116267 <p>You're welcome Red Snapper, even though you underestimate my intent.</p> You’re welcome Red Snapper, even though you underestimate my intent.

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By: Red Snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116265 Red Snapper Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:02:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116265 <p>Thanks for making me laugh Ziyarat, even though you didnt intend to.</p> Thanks for making me laugh Ziyarat, even though you didnt intend to.

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By: Ziyarat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116253 Ziyarat Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:16:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116253 <blockquote>Great, Land of the Pure, meaning all those who had to leave the land were 'impure'? What a brahminical concept</blockquote> <p>Although a "Paki" may leave the Land, they are still <i>of</i> the Land, therefore still a "Paki."</p> <blockquote>I just get startled when people elevate their purity as a virtue, especially a nationalism based on purity, that's all. I worry about the impure.</blockquote> <p>The pure/impure dichotomy, on the one hand and at the very base level, is extended to personal hygiene, whereby, the "Land of the Pure" is also the "Land of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lota">Lota</a>-User." On the other hand, this dichotomy quite seriously addresses matters of salvation, whereby, the "Land of the Pure" is also the "Land of Believers."</p> <p>In the end, these are the attributes that make a "Paki" who they are, not simply being a "Pakistani."</p> Great, Land of the Pure, meaning all those who had to leave the land were ‘impure’? What a brahminical concept

Although a “Paki” may leave the Land, they are still of the Land, therefore still a “Paki.”

I just get startled when people elevate their purity as a virtue, especially a nationalism based on purity, that’s all. I worry about the impure.

The pure/impure dichotomy, on the one hand and at the very base level, is extended to personal hygiene, whereby, the “Land of the Pure” is also the “Land of the Lota-User.” On the other hand, this dichotomy quite seriously addresses matters of salvation, whereby, the “Land of the Pure” is also the “Land of Believers.”

In the end, these are the attributes that make a “Paki” who they are, not simply being a “Pakistani.”

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By: Neal (with no 'e') http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116249 Neal (with no 'e') Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:55:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116249 <blockquote>It's simple playground bully psychology - ignore the person, realize in your heart that he is ignorant and malicious, and don't let him get the upper hand by seeing you react.</blockquote> <p>Did this ever actually work? Usually the bully is just intent on stomping someone either way...</p> It’s simple playground bully psychology – ignore the person, realize in your heart that he is ignorant and malicious, and don’t let him get the upper hand by seeing you react.

Did this ever actually work? Usually the bully is just intent on stomping someone either way…

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By: Red Snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116248 Red Snapper Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:53:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116248 <blockquote>It really is the pussification of society when we have to use euphemisms for EVERYTHING.</blockquote> <p>Abhi, does this get todays award?</p> It really is the pussification of society when we have to use euphemisms for EVERYTHING.

Abhi, does this get todays award?

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By: Cyrus http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116245 Cyrus Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:40:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116245 <p>The question is not "Why are people so offended by words?" but rather "how can we reduce the hatred and the hurt?" That being said, some people are more sensitive to words than others and will always feel more hurt when a racial epithet is used. You can't stop someone from communicating his ideas of hatred, but what you can do is change how you react to them. The more offended and hurt you are, the more power you give to the person using the words and to the words themselves. It's simple playground bully psychology - ignore the person, realize in your heart that he is ignorant and malicious, and don't let him get the upper hand by seeing you react. The less you are offended, the more the word's negative connotation gets diluted. Compare your reaction to a 5 year old calling you a stupid-head when you were 5 and when you are older. What has changed?</p> The question is not “Why are people so offended by words?” but rather “how can we reduce the hatred and the hurt?” That being said, some people are more sensitive to words than others and will always feel more hurt when a racial epithet is used. You can’t stop someone from communicating his ideas of hatred, but what you can do is change how you react to them. The more offended and hurt you are, the more power you give to the person using the words and to the words themselves. It’s simple playground bully psychology – ignore the person, realize in your heart that he is ignorant and malicious, and don’t let him get the upper hand by seeing you react. The less you are offended, the more the word’s negative connotation gets diluted. Compare your reaction to a 5 year old calling you a stupid-head when you were 5 and when you are older. What has changed?

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By: glass houses http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116227 glass houses Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:03:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116227 <p>Why are people so offended by WORDS?</p> <p>NotConfused...WORDS are the cornerstone of society..its the tool by which human beings communicate their feelings, thoughts, emotions...When WORDS are used to communicate hate. It is as powerful as a slap to the face. If we consider ourselves civilized and humane we would not traffic in hate through actions or WORDS. Or do you think a little hate now and then is a good thing? Keeps us tough and less 'pussified'?</p> Why are people so offended by WORDS?

NotConfused…WORDS are the cornerstone of society..its the tool by which human beings communicate their feelings, thoughts, emotions…When WORDS are used to communicate hate. It is as powerful as a slap to the face. If we consider ourselves civilized and humane we would not traffic in hate through actions or WORDS. Or do you think a little hate now and then is a good thing? Keeps us tough and less ‘pussified’?

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By: NotConfused http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116226 NotConfused Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:58:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116226 <p>Why are people so offended by WORDS? I never understood why curse words were bad just like I never understood why "slurs" were bad. Especially "Paki:" it's just short for Pakistani. Why should I be offended by that? Some people (mostly white people strangely) find the word "black" offensive. Well guess what? They are black and that's what they call themselves. Not all blacks are Africans, and not all Africans are black.</p> <p>People are too damn sensitive. If you were sure of yourself you wouldn't find random words offensive (like macaca which, even though no one knew what it was they were still offended). It you ask me, any intelligent human would NOT be offended by words. It really is the pussification of society when we have to use euphemisms for EVERYTHING.</p> Why are people so offended by WORDS? I never understood why curse words were bad just like I never understood why “slurs” were bad. Especially “Paki:” it’s just short for Pakistani. Why should I be offended by that? Some people (mostly white people strangely) find the word “black” offensive. Well guess what? They are black and that’s what they call themselves. Not all blacks are Africans, and not all Africans are black.

People are too damn sensitive. If you were sure of yourself you wouldn’t find random words offensive (like macaca which, even though no one knew what it was they were still offended). It you ask me, any intelligent human would NOT be offended by words. It really is the pussification of society when we have to use euphemisms for EVERYTHING.

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By: Red Snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/30/its_actually_no_1/comment-page-2/#comment-116201 Red Snapper Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:18:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4152#comment-116201 <p>Well you know, CQ, since whenever, don't be offended by it, just not worth it.</p> <p>I just get startled when people elevate their purity as a virtue, especially a nationalism based on purity, that's all. I worry about the impure.</p> Well you know, CQ, since whenever, don’t be offended by it, just not worth it.

I just get startled when people elevate their purity as a virtue, especially a nationalism based on purity, that’s all. I worry about the impure.

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