Comments on: Skin Color Matters http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wanderer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-267405 Wanderer Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:04:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-267405 <p>WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE SKIN YOUR BORN WITH??</p> WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE SKIN YOUR BORN WITH??

]]> By: Ashu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-267403 Ashu Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:28:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-267403 <p>South Asians are not the only one obsessed with color of the skin. Latin American and African Americans in US are too......Read this article from NY times on the fairness cream market in United States:</p> <p>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/health/16skin.html?hp</p> South Asians are not the only one obsessed with color of the skin. Latin American and African Americans in US are too……Read this article from NY times on the fairness cream market in United States:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/health/16skin.html?hp

]]> By: LostBrown http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-239711 LostBrown Mon, 18 May 2009 05:54:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-239711 <p>My parents are running about trying to find me a "fair" bride from pakistan. Their notion of extraordinarily beautiful potential (aren't they all ?) is someone as fair as possible. I told my mom we are in Canada, every other girl is extraordinarily beautiful here (white girls), she looked at me with disapproving looks. Don't matter, I'm running away from home in 2 weeks and plan to be completely estranged from this brown hypocrisy forever. I'm excited as hell.</p> My parents are running about trying to find me a “fair” bride from pakistan. Their notion of extraordinarily beautiful potential (aren’t they all ?) is someone as fair as possible. I told my mom we are in Canada, every other girl is extraordinarily beautiful here (white girls), she looked at me with disapproving looks. Don’t matter, I’m running away from home in 2 weeks and plan to be completely estranged from this brown hypocrisy forever. I’m excited as hell.

]]> By: indiansusa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-239709 indiansusa Mon, 18 May 2009 05:46:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-239709 <p>Indians who discuss here should be careful in making comments because there are many anti-indians, foreign nationals who routinely pass off as "indians" posing themselves with Indian names. They never seem to get off our back..yea gods</p> Indians who discuss here should be careful in making comments because there are many anti-indians, foreign nationals who routinely pass off as “indians” posing themselves with Indian names. They never seem to get off our back..yea gods

]]> By: Jodha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-238422 Jodha Mon, 04 May 2009 05:22:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-238422 <p>here is mention of Jats in Deva Samhit� [207] in the form of powerful rulers over vast plains of Central Asia. When P�rvatī asks Shiva about the origin of Jats, their antiquity and characters of Jats, Shiva tells her like this in Sanskrit shloka-15 as under:</p> <pre><code>महाबला महावीर�या, महासत�य पराक�रमाः Mah�bal� mah�vīry�, Mah�satya par�kram�ḥ सर�वाग�रे क�षत�रिया जट�‌टा देवकल��पा दृढ़-व�रता: Sarv�gre kshatriy� jatt� Devakalp� dridh-vrat�ḥ || 15 || Meaning - "They are symbol of sacrifice, bravery and industry. They are, like gods, firm of determination and of all the kshatriy�, the Jats are the prime rulers of the earth." </code></pre> <p>BUT, caste is retarted. You are either hot or not. You fat kids won't understand that though. But whoever mentioned that nasal index shit, good job lol. Big nosed brahmins breathing in all the Jat man's air lol</p> here is mention of Jats in Deva Samhit� [207] in the form of powerful rulers over vast plains of Central Asia. When P�rvatī asks Shiva about the origin of Jats, their antiquity and characters of Jats, Shiva tells her like this in Sanskrit shloka-15 as under:

महाबला महावीर�या, महासत�य पराक�रमाः Mah�bal� mah�vīry�, Mah�satya par�kram�ḥ 

सर�वाग�रे क�षत�रिया जट�‌टा देवकल��पा दृढ़-व�रता: Sarv�gre kshatriy� jatt� Devakalp� dridh-vrat�ḥ || 15 || 

Meaning - "They are symbol of sacrifice, bravery and industry. They are, like gods, firm of determination and of all the kshatriy�, the Jats are the prime rulers of the earth."

BUT, caste is retarted. You are either hot or not. You fat kids won’t understand that though. But whoever mentioned that nasal index shit, good job lol. Big nosed brahmins breathing in all the Jat man’s air lol

]]> By: dd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-228254 dd Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:24:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-228254 <p>i m lower caste in the hierarchy, but i can challenge very few people in india will be fairer than me, there is no inter caste marriage between my parents. my relatives are also fair</p> i m lower caste in the hierarchy, but i can challenge very few people in india will be fairer than me, there is no inter caste marriage between my parents. my relatives are also fair

]]> By: jaat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-183051 jaat Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:26:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-183051 <p>jats have sharpest nose in india having nasal index 63.1 refer wikipedia origin of jats article</p> jats have sharpest nose in india having nasal index 63.1 refer wikipedia origin of jats article

]]> By: Dave http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-163202 Dave Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:30:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-163202 <p>Ya know, its sad, I won't deny that I'm about as "white" as is possible for an american to be. But the fact is that I continually meet people every single day who discriminate on this basis. They do it from the smallest thoughts to the words they use. They seem to be totally convinced that a simplistic label based on the color of someone's skin is the defining part of that person. Most of these people disgust me to no end but they make up the vast majority of people I encounter every day.</p> <p>Whats really strange is on some level I can empathize with many of you. I've lived in Northern NJ most of my life and if there is anywhere there is a huge racially mixed bag in the US, this is it. I go to the Mall and am usually the only blonde person I see. Doesn't bother me, I think of it as "normal". I went and visited Minnesota a couple years back and had to go to a Mall there, everyone was BLONDE!!! in fact it was so noticeable that I felt distinctly unconfortable. The complete lack of the multi shades of people I've become accustomed to was gone, mind you that was just my perception. What it would be like to be on the end of racial epiteths on top of that would have probably had me highly angry and fearful at the same time. So I can empathize to some extent, but I can't walk in your shoes. Just know that there are many of us out there who enjoy mixed company more and do not associate with those for whom bigotry is a way of life.</p> <p>Javeeh Kan - I don't think there is anything to a melatonin level argument. However, if you want to argue about technology being the indication of advanced society then yes, I'd say you are heading in the right direction. My opinion on this? Europeans had the guns, Asians and African's didn't. Pretty much one side had a bigger stick hence they got to make the rules. Stupid? yes, ignorant? yes, in keeping with the times and education of the people? yes. Something to be proud of? no.<br /> Chachaji, nice comments and your right about the raising of consciousness being key to not passing this on from generation to generation. I also think that education level has more to do with people acceptance of differences than not. Unfortunately the vast majority of the US (and probably "white" bah lets face it, european descent) is highly undereducated.</p> <p>Looking at the religious comments, its funny, I think every single culture out there has quite a bit of growing to do in this area. Multiculturalism is going to grow and we all must learn to deal with our past history and move beyond artificial segregations. We'll get there, but probably not for another 5 or 6 generations at the very least.</p> <p>Pri, skin color is only one way to feel "left out", I think everyone has those issues of one type or another whether its, too short, too smart, too fat, too skinny. I almost think we go out of our way to find these things to differentiate ourselves from those around us and then eventually obsessing over them in an unhealthy manner. Don't forget that there are some people who just always seem to be left out cause they are just "too weird".</p> <p>As for what Samir said, I tend to agree with the statement about what is most attractive, but then that is only my opinion.(as is everything I write here)</p> <p>Anyway this has been a fun diversion, I'm one of those who loves just debating these issues for the sake of debating them. I know I won't change the world, but as long as I can make someone think a bit more I'm happy :D</p> <p>P.S. I came across this site looking for more information about Ms. Sabbithi and what is being done about her human rights. I ended up seeing this post and knowing that its something of a hot potato decided to take a gander at it. I'm glad I did, I don't see the usual self-righteous anger rants what I see instead is a calm collected and rational conversation. So I'm glad to have stopped in here.</p> Ya know, its sad, I won’t deny that I’m about as “white” as is possible for an american to be. But the fact is that I continually meet people every single day who discriminate on this basis. They do it from the smallest thoughts to the words they use. They seem to be totally convinced that a simplistic label based on the color of someone’s skin is the defining part of that person. Most of these people disgust me to no end but they make up the vast majority of people I encounter every day.

Whats really strange is on some level I can empathize with many of you. I’ve lived in Northern NJ most of my life and if there is anywhere there is a huge racially mixed bag in the US, this is it. I go to the Mall and am usually the only blonde person I see. Doesn’t bother me, I think of it as “normal”. I went and visited Minnesota a couple years back and had to go to a Mall there, everyone was BLONDE!!! in fact it was so noticeable that I felt distinctly unconfortable. The complete lack of the multi shades of people I’ve become accustomed to was gone, mind you that was just my perception. What it would be like to be on the end of racial epiteths on top of that would have probably had me highly angry and fearful at the same time. So I can empathize to some extent, but I can’t walk in your shoes. Just know that there are many of us out there who enjoy mixed company more and do not associate with those for whom bigotry is a way of life.

Javeeh Kan – I don’t think there is anything to a melatonin level argument. However, if you want to argue about technology being the indication of advanced society then yes, I’d say you are heading in the right direction. My opinion on this? Europeans had the guns, Asians and African’s didn’t. Pretty much one side had a bigger stick hence they got to make the rules. Stupid? yes, ignorant? yes, in keeping with the times and education of the people? yes. Something to be proud of? no.
Chachaji, nice comments and your right about the raising of consciousness being key to not passing this on from generation to generation. I also think that education level has more to do with people acceptance of differences than not. Unfortunately the vast majority of the US (and probably “white” bah lets face it, european descent) is highly undereducated.

Looking at the religious comments, its funny, I think every single culture out there has quite a bit of growing to do in this area. Multiculturalism is going to grow and we all must learn to deal with our past history and move beyond artificial segregations. We’ll get there, but probably not for another 5 or 6 generations at the very least.

Pri, skin color is only one way to feel “left out”, I think everyone has those issues of one type or another whether its, too short, too smart, too fat, too skinny. I almost think we go out of our way to find these things to differentiate ourselves from those around us and then eventually obsessing over them in an unhealthy manner. Don’t forget that there are some people who just always seem to be left out cause they are just “too weird”.

As for what Samir said, I tend to agree with the statement about what is most attractive, but then that is only my opinion.(as is everything I write here)

Anyway this has been a fun diversion, I’m one of those who loves just debating these issues for the sake of debating them. I know I won’t change the world, but as long as I can make someone think a bit more I’m happy :D

P.S. I came across this site looking for more information about Ms. Sabbithi and what is being done about her human rights. I ended up seeing this post and knowing that its something of a hot potato decided to take a gander at it. I’m glad I did, I don’t see the usual self-righteous anger rants what I see instead is a calm collected and rational conversation. So I’m glad to have stopped in here.

]]> By: Samjay http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-118583 Samjay Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:19:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-118583 <p>I haven't got the article at hand, but the average man without any flaws is the most attractive. That is why most people find persons of mixed race so attractive.</p> I haven’t got the article at hand, but the average man without any flaws is the most attractive. That is why most people find persons of mixed race so attractive.

]]> By: Samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2007/01/27/skin_color_matt/comment-page-3/#comment-118581 Samir Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:07:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=4145#comment-118581 <p>And that is why tanning booths and the sunscreen lotion market are going bankrupt... ;-)</p> <p>Actually research has pale brown skin is more attractive than pale white or dark http://www.physorg.com/news78679968.html</p> <blockquote>Many considered using blacks in advertisements to appeal to a growing black target audience but were concerned that use of blacks might alienate white consumers. Fortunately for advertisers and advertising agencies, research shows that white consumers react to black models in advertisements in almost exactly the same way as black consumers react. It seems that both groups prefer the light brown skin tone, whether it's a tan Caucasian or a light-skinned African American."</blockquote> <p>So people of indian origin have brown skin are at an advantage</p> And that is why tanning booths and the sunscreen lotion market are going bankrupt… ;-)

Actually research has pale brown skin is more attractive than pale white or dark http://www.physorg.com/news78679968.html

Many considered using blacks in advertisements to appeal to a growing black target audience but were concerned that use of blacks might alienate white consumers. Fortunately for advertisers and advertising agencies, research shows that white consumers react to black models in advertisements in almost exactly the same way as black consumers react. It seems that both groups prefer the light brown skin tone, whether it’s a tan Caucasian or a light-skinned African American.”

So people of indian origin have brown skin are at an advantage

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